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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:35 PM
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Hey, Jack Cafferty read my impeach email on CNN yesterday
Here's a link to the transcript:

CAFFERTY: Wolf, two New Mexico state senators have introduced a resolution calling on Congress to impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney. The question we asked is what impact do you think these kinds of state resolutions might have?

...

Patty in New Jersey writes -- "Bush and Cheney are waging war on the Constitution. They've put torture on the table, made it fair game for opposing forces to torture Americans. Impeachment is our only defense, but the Chicken Littles on the Hill think the sky will fall if they so much as utter the word. It's going to take a good knock with a big clue stick to wake them up to reality. State resolutions may be just the thing."

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:37 PM
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1. Congratulations! Very well put!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:38 PM
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2. Nice job!
B-):thumbsup:

NGU.


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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:38 PM
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3. very good
:applause:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:39 PM
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4. Very well done!
I'll tell my husband when I get home, and he'll say, "I knew there was a reason to be proud I grew up in New Jersey!"
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:40 PM
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5. "a big clue stick"
Although I think impeachment is not a practical option in and of itself (I'd rather see the energy going into investigations and sworn testimony), I love the phrase! Good job! :patriot:
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:09 PM
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10. "investigations and sworn testimony"
will NECESSARILY happen before impeachment occurs.
Even impeachment for lying about blowjobs required investigations & sworn testimony.
Don't worry.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:39 PM
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18. . . .are already public record. Charges have even been adjudicated.
Edited on Fri Jan-26-07 02:35 PM by pat_k
Bush and Cheney are committing their high crimes in plain sight.

Saying "We need investigations first" says one thing: "We don't have a case for impeachment."

We not only have "a case," we have several grave violations that go far beyond "impeachable" to pick from (see "Impeachment has been a moral imperative for years" below). We only need one to remove them from office. The proofs are in the public record. Staffers are more than capable of drafting key articles and gathering everything they need to lay out the case in Impeachment Hearings.

As we lobby for impeachment, we should be to be crystal clear about its purpose

Keep in mind that:
  • They are Congress, not the Courts.

  • Impeachment is a political process, not a judicial process.

  • Impeachment is defensive; not punitive.

    We charge Congress with the duty to defend against threats to the Constitution. Impeachment is the weapon we gave them to remove a threat by removing an official's power to harm. This is the first, and most urgent, priority.

    Retribution for violations of U.S. Code and International Law is for the Courts (both here and at the Hague), not Congress.

  • Impeachment is bound only by the intentionally vague guidance provided by our Constitution; judicial processes are bound by our substantial body of written law and precedent.

    Members of Congress must make a personal judgment grounded in moral principle and the intent of the law. There are no legalisms or complex 'technicalities' that can trump reality. They must be guided by their oath and their conscience.

    Members of the House must decide for themselves what constitutes an impeachable offense. The House as a body defines the what steps are necessary or unnecessary to impeach. Senators decide for themselves whether articles of impeachment transmitted from the House merit impeachment, and what standard of proof to apply.

  • The interests that an impeachment seeks to balance are very different from the interests that a criminal prosecution seeks to balance.

    • In a criminal trial, the standard of proof seeks to strike a balance between mistakenly:
      1. depriving a citizen of their rights
      2. releasing a guilty individual

      When balanced against the sanctity of our civil rights, the risk of releasing a guilty person loses.

      To tip the scales in favor of protecting civil rights, a very high standard of proof is applied (beyond reasonable doubt).

    • In an impeachment, the standard of proof seeks to strike a balance between mistakenly
      1. depriving an official of the privilege of power
      2. leaving power in the hands of an official who is subverting the Constitution or otherwise abusing that power

      Each Senator must decide for themselves what standard to apply, but when balanced against the sanctity of our Constitution, the risk of mistakenly depriving an official of the privilege of power should lose, particularly when you consider that power is granted to elected officials; it is not a basic civil right.

      To tip the scales in favor of protecting the Constitution, a lower standard of proof is required (e.g., probable cause, preponderance of the evidence). When Members of Congress, opinion leaders, or fellow citizens assert that a higher standard applies, we should challenge them whenever possible.

    In the case of Bush and Cheney, we have proofs that meet a standard much higher than impeachment calls for.

    When we recognize the purpose of impeachment, it becomes crystal clear that. . .

    Impeachment has been a moral imperative for years.

    Bush and Cheney demonstrate their willful intent to nullify the Constitution when they assert the fascist fantasy of a "unitary authoritarian executive" that can break the law at its whim.

    In their attack on the Constitution, Bush and Cheney are blatantly committing grave violations of law that go far beyond impeachable. They have committed crimes that are subject to the penalty of death. Namely, war crimes under U.S. Code (Title 18 section 2441) and international law and the Anti-Terrorism Act (Title 18, Section 844 paragraph e. Bomb Threat -- "mushroom clouds in 45 min").

    In addition, they violate the sanctity of our civil rights with their criminal spying operation (Title 50, Section 1805).

    From http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/10"> Rationalizing for Inaction on Impeachment:

    . . .charges have already been investigated and even adjudicated. They have admitted violating FISA -- and have tried to "defend" it (mutually exclusively) by claiming inherent authority and congressional approval. GOP Senator Specter himself has already scoffed at the defense.

    The (formerly) Supreme Court has already ruled in Hamdan that Geneva applies to Gitmo. Behind the Euphemedia smokescreen of tribunal tinkering lies the reality of the decision: Three Years of War Crimes had already been committed. Similarly, the lies about WMD that terrorized the nation into war are already "old news." There is no fig leaf left.


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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:51 PM
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19. Charges are proven in the public record, ready to go.
Saying "We need investigations first" says one thing: "We don't have a case for impeachment."

Bush and Cheney are committing their crimes in plain sight. We not only have "a case," we have several grave violations that go far beyond impeachment to pick from. (see "Impeachment has been a moral imperative for years" below). We only need one to remove them from office. The proofs are in the public record. Staffers are more than capable of drafting key articles and gathering materials be presented in Impeachment Hearings.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3077451&mesg_id=3079623">More. . .

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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:49 PM
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6. Nice!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:50 PM
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7. Well said!
:applause:
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:53 PM
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8. Yay!!!!!!!!!
:toast:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:01 PM
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9. "a big clue stick"
LOL!
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:28 PM
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11. they love the witty responses
well done!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:31 PM
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12. Well done.
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Luckyduck Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:15 PM
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13. Right on Pat k
:applause:
Thank you!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:24 PM
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14. Good job
I love your e-mail...congratulations on having it read!
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:54 PM
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15. Wow! That's really something.
You reached a national audience! Congratulations!
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:49 PM
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16. (clue) kick
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:53 PM
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17. Congrats!!
And I fully agree with you, way to go!!

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