James Carville: Gore's "going to run, and he's going to be formidable."

[Freddie Stubbs]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13248532/why_gore_should_run__and_how_he_can_win

[rockymountaindem]

1. Please God... n/t

[tsuki]

2. James Carville, that's the kiss of death. n/t

[AndyA]

3. Carville has the inside scoop on Gore? I didn't know they were so close.

Gore running would change the dynamics of the 2008 elections dramatically, wouldn't it?

I guess we'll see if it's true, but I keep considering who Carville crawls into bed with at night, and that alone removes most of his credibility in my opinion.

[blm]

10. Probably saying this so it creates a RW media attack on Gore.

Gore wouldn't trust Carville with any information about his thoughts on running. I'm sure Gore read Woodward's book.

[wyldwolf]

13. ...or a leftwing attack on Gore...

[Tellurian]

60. whats the name of that tune?

If the Right One doesn't get you than the Left one will...

The leftwing sux... at least the rightwing know how to shutup! :hi:

[Seabiscuit]

65. "Sixteen Tons" - by Tennessee Ernie Ford

"One fist of iron
The other of steel
If the right one don't get ya
Then the left one weel."

[jakem]

15. Or to keep potential Obama voters from committing...

and giving Hillary more time to gain ground...

[oasis]

57. "giving Hillary more time to gain ground".

Gain ground on who? Herself?:rofl:

[Generator]

47. LOL! So cynical but yes, Carville has turned I don't trust him at all either/nt

[rock]

11. A stopped clock is right twice a day

Hey, even one that runs backward is right every now and then.

[zulchzulu]

4. Carville The Turncoat should be banned from the Democratic Party

...until he answers questions about what he did on Election eve with his wife, as illustrated in State of Denial by Bob Woodward (pp. 343-346)...

This guy has no cred anymore.

[meegbear]

8. You think you could illustrate pp. 343-346 ...

so we know what you're talking about?

[grasswire]

14. something about.......

...Carville letting the Bush campaign by phone know something about the Dem candidate's strategy regarding challenging results. I can't recall the exact details, but that's the gist of it.

[zulchzulu]

17. I'm surprised you didn't know...

In a nutshell:

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes."

[meegbear]

20. WHOA!

Didn't know - thanks for that. :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. While I think that Carville telling his wife inside info is nasty,

I don't understand how this kept Kerry from challenging the election. Did Kerry give up just because Blackwell had been contacted?

What am I missing here?

[karynnj]

27. The Ohio people told hin the next morning that the

number of provisional ballots was 100,000 less than thought the night before.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. So Blackwell lied?

[zulchzulu]

28. It was about tampering with the estimated provisional vote count

It was estimated that there were 250,000 uncounted provisional ballots, but when Blackwell got wind of Kerry's strategy from Carville's tip, it was estimated to be only 180,000, which would have made the recount pointless.

[emulatorloo]

32. Because of this, Blackwell people said "Sorry, not enough votes to matter"

I remember going into my local Dem headquarters to work that day - they said, forget it, we got the word from national that the vote is overwhelming in Ohio.

All because Carville called Matalin who told Cheney who told Blackwell who told Dem campaign there were'nt enough provisionals to matter.

[emulatorloo]

33. oops -- posted wrong place n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

39. Ah the Dorian Gray's family portrait.

That is one scary photo.

[oasis]

58. Bob Woodward. Now there's an impeccable source for information.

And you question Carville's lack of "cred"?

[mtnsnake]

5. Looks like that throws a monkeywrench into the Hillary/Carville conspiracy theorists

I wonder what those DU'ers will have to spin about this one. lol

[Ninja Jordan]

7. huh?

[mtnsnake]

12. Looks like that throws a monkeywrench into the Hillary/Carville conspiracy theorists

[zulchzulu]

18. Are you talking about Woodward's evidence of Carville telling his wife?

I'm glad you don't think that's a big deal...giving information away to the enemy camp on Election eve... yeah, no biggie...

Carville has not given an account of what Woodward has written about him on Election night. Are you curious or should he be given a free pass?

Hey, it's only election tampering and telling the opposition their opposition's strategy...

[frogcycle]

31. anybody know where to find this?

In September 2002, just before Clinton and every other Democrat who hoped to run for president voted to authorize the war in Iraq, Gore gave a no-holds-barred speech inveighing against the invasion. "The chaos in the aftermath of a military victory in Iraq," he warned, "could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam."

[AlGore-08.com]

48. Link to Gore's Sept 2002 speech "Iraq & The War On Terrorism"

The speech was given less than a month before Congress voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq - - the main point of the speech is that Congress should vote against the resolution.

http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=84

[lancdem]

6. I just don't think he's going to run

primarily because he's happy doing what he's doing now. However, should he run, he will definitely be a top-tier candidate, along with Edwards, Obama and Hillary.

[HereSince1628]

9. Carville is pissing on the fire hydrants trying to look territorial.

He's very last century.

[Peace Patriot]

29. I think you got it, HereSince1628! Pissing on the fire hydrants. n/t

[Auntie Bush]

16. Wow! That's quite a formidable article about a formidable candidate.

It makes Gore sound like a sure winner! As Martha would say, "That's a good thing"...especially if he selects CLARK to be his VP.
THAT'S A SURE WINNING COMBINATION! Between the two...they master all required elements to run a successful Presidency. Nothing could be better for the whole world.

[Warren Stupidity]

19. JC: miserable naked toad. nt.

[Vidar]

21. Much as I want Gore to run, I won't believe anything this piece

of excrement says.

[patricia92243]

22. Lookforward to Gore's new book coming out.

[katsy]

23. Gore's "going to run, and he's going to be formidable."

May I suggest:

Gore's "going to run, and he's going to WIN."

:evilgrin:

[madfloridian]

24. Did you see what else he said? About being right about too much?

"Even Gore's prescience on the war may not be the towering advantage that many are predicting. "One is always penalized for being right about too many things," Carville says. "Prophets are shot in this town."

That bastard said the same thing about Dean...right too often. He sure hates people who are right.

"Using Al Gore as an example, Carville said being a smart candidate is not enough.

“It’s actually possible to be wise, right and strong,” he said.

"But Carville added that no one in Washington likes anyone who is right too often. Howard Dean’s accurate assessment about the failure of the war in Iraq helped kick him out of the running for president despite his passion, Carville said."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_elizabet_051007_carville__dems_need_.htm

[blm]

37. This is Carville acting like a thug for Tonya Harding, again.

.

[ieoeja]

38. Well, it kind of fits the 2000 RW meme.

"Gore claimed he invented the INTERNET."

Given that his vice-presidential campaign theme in 1992 was the creation of the INTERNET, that the men in charge of the technicians who created the INTERNET said they were acting on Gore's directives, and the various computer and telecommunication companies who formed the company that owns the backbone of the INTERNET say Gore brought them together to form that company, then Gore has a pretty good claim to having invented the INTERNET.


I don't even remember them all now. But all the lies told by "the serial liar" turned out to have been either the truth or never to have been said. So Carville is correct. Being right seemed to have hurt Gore last time around. Apparently he'd have been better off pretending to be stupider than he really was.

Or look at the current occupant of the American White House. He seems to have never done anything right in his life. And look at how that worked out for him? Didn't turn out all that hot for the United States or the rest of the world. But everything has turned out just fine for him.

[Tellurian]

62. GORE 08'

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[tk2kewl]

26. GORE!

GORE!

[peacetalksforall]

30. There is so much we don't know (or I don't know). I do know that

the DLC managed the Gore scene in 2000 and gave him plenty of bad advice and decisions. They never tried to seriously combat the lies about Gore, for example. What I don't know for sure, but I assume - the DLC ran the vote recount stuff? They were the ones who arranged the lawyers? And they did the same thing with Kerry - they picked him and advised him and they screwed things twice.

Someone should educate me, but just as I had to figure out the structure of the armies in place to take down Clinton in the 90's - I'm trying to figure out the dealings of the DLC by reading the lines and between the lines. And I'm full of disapproval. RIGHT OF CENTER is not a good setting. Moving FURTHER RIGHT is a disaster for the Democratic Party., imo.

I hope the people prevail over the DLC and we get our favorite in the end.

[AtomicKitten]

34. Let it be so.

w00t

[LeftCoast]

35. Strange. I thought Carville was openly working on HRC's campaign.

I still don't believe Gore's going to run though...

[emulatorloo]

40. Kick and nominated for revealing Carville's despicable nature EOM

[demo dutch]

41. Donna Brazile sort of suggested the same thing on NPR yesterday

[Kira]

46. what did she say?

[ripple]

52. Here's the link:

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7020213

I'm listening now to refresh my memory. I think it was a 'maybe he will run' sort of comment in response to a question. It caught my attention when I heard it initially, especially considering the source.

I wonder if Brazille and Gore are still close enough for her to have inside knowledge. :shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

76. Donna Brazile is a personal friend of Karl Rove

and she cannot be trusted about anything she says.

[Fovea]

42. If Gore runs.

I pity the candidate who opposes him.
Unless it is Throwback, then I will point and laugh.

[Hawkowl]

43. He is going to run

I can feel it in my bones. When he does and wins, I believe he has the chance to go down in history as one of the greatest presidents ever. It is simply opportunity connecting with ability. Opportunity as represented by the Chinese symbol with a double meaning of crisis/opportunity.

[chaska]

44. I've been holding out for a Gore/Obama ticket....

I just saw a recently taken picture of him. Looked like he's getting back to his fighting weight. You know what that means.

YES!!!

[ripple]

53. I could certainly live with that

I'm an Obama supporter and I would love to see him at the top of the ticket, mainly because I think he would get voters excited and headed to the polls en masse.

As powerful a candidate as Obama is, though, he needs to run with the right person in order to make it a comprehensive package, especially in the foreign policy arena.

I'd like to see Obama/Clark or Obama/Webb. I leave Gore out only because I don't think he'd want to be VP again. If he wants to be top dog and chooses Obama, I still think it could work. I think it would be a tougher sell, because so many people wrongly view him as someone who already lost one bid. Still, I think he would make a fantastic president, especially with Obama by his side.

[The Backlash Cometh]

45. AAAAAHHHHHHH! James Carville, STAY OUT OF IT!

Let the liberal blogs protect Gore's back.

[w4rma]

49. Good news. (nt)

[saltpoint]

50. I'm wary of Carville generally but I think he's right about Al Gore

being very interested in the top job.

I expect Gore to jump in.

[AX10]

51. Gore will be very formidable, unlike yourself James.

To you Carville...:thumbsdown:

[Geek_Girl]

54. I hope he's right

nt

[marlakay]

55. Dems should kick Carville out

if we can...didn't surprise me at all what he did. And Donna Brazil used to say he wasn't running so if she is now saying maybe...she must know something...

I think he is going to join the race this summer...it is my prayer....

[Nay]

56. Just keep away from his campaign, Carville, you ass.

[evolved Anarchopunk]

59. Come on Al, please run. You already know the US needs a leader

like you in this uncertain age. Well how convenient, they also WANT you badly in office. Take up the torch again brother, and lead this country in the years to come. Don't micro-manage it, don't go into it with the management mentality in the least. You need to LEAD a country that has been led down some dark alleys and robbed blind recently. Harness the upheaval over the illegal occupation of Iraq, show the unmistakable incompetence of the prior administration... I mean... people are going to need closure on this chapter of history. A lot of closure, and healing. The Republican-led Congress couldn't possibly have achieved what they wanted to... now could they? I've heard arguments that republicans' actions don't show incompetence but rather an inherent flaw in conservative ideology. And while that is great little liberal repartee to yet another liberal talking-point... come on... you know deep down the best talking-point is this: the people who have run our country for the past 8 years were unfit to do so. And that is because it contains the most truth. Don't play nice, don't move on too quickly, that is what your most vile and nasty enemies expect of you; they will not respect you for that noble decision. Open a can of whoop-ass on them first, let the whole world laugh with you as you piss off every close-minded conservative who futilely tries to stand in the way of your many eminent environmental protections. But now I am getting ahead of myself. Run AL!

[sendero]

61. Nothing..

... (politically) would make me happier. I could work for Gore, contribute to Gore and vote for Gore without reservation.

And yes, I believe that if he runs, he has a very good shot at the nomination, and would be damn near unbeatable in the general.

[mzmolly]

63. I hope he does, and I hope he is.

:hi:

[Hekate]

64. Carville, kindly go back under your rock

I don't think of James Carville as a credible source.

Hekate

[PhilipShore]

66. Peace and Prosperity – Gore/Clark 2008

[mayflower]

67. That' d be a good ticket.. Or else Gore and Ron Paul. n/t

[NYCGirl]

70. No, Ron Paul is a Republican. NT

[mnhtnbb]

68. Read the article. It's only Carville's speculation--not confirmed knowledge.

[mitchum]

69. And Gore needs to stay far away from that craven bald whore

[RestoreGore]

71. Amen n/t

[blm]

73. Second that Amen. But, I am sure Al knows that well, by now.

Terry has been going to every news outlet he can and trashing both Gore and Kerry. I'm sure they know now whatever comes out of TeamClinton it is not in their interest.

[RestoreGore]

72. Hey, Mr. Carville, Do YOU Care About The Climate Crisis?

I did'mt think so, but you sure are contributing a lot of hot air to it. As if anything this sellout says means anything. But I suppose some are willing to latch on to anything.

[RegimeChange2008]

74. What's worse?

James Carville throwing your name in the race, or Dick "toesucker" Morris doing so?

Neither is a Democrat, (though both have claimed to be)that much is certain.

[IndianaGreen]

75. Why should we believe the Karl Rove of the Hillary campaign?

Carville and his sidekick Paul Begala are only interested in one thing: get Hillary the nomination by any means necessary, including sowing dissention and confusion among the supporters of other candidates.

Carville is as credible as Rove!