Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Mexican Mafia Ethnically Cleansing African Americans In LA

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:49 PM
Original message
Mexican Mafia Ethnically Cleansing African Americans In LA
Ethnic Cleansing in L.A.
By Brentin Mock, Intelligence Report. Posted January 20, 2007

Acting on orders from the Mexican Mafia, Latino gang members in Southern California are terrorizing and killing blacks..."They generally don't like African Americans," Pomona gang unit officer Marcus Perez testified in that case. "If an African American enters their neighborhood, they're likely to be injured or killed."

A comprehensive study of hate crimes in Los Angeles County released by the University of Hawaii in 2000 concluded that while the vast majority of hate crimes nationwide are not committed by members of organized groups, Los Angeles County is a different story. Researchers found that in areas with high concentrations, or "clusters," of hate crimes, the perpetrators were typically members of Latino street gangs who were purposely targeting blacks.

Furthermore, the study found, "There is strong evidence of race-bias hate crimes among gangs in which the major motive is not the defense of territorial boundaries against other gangs, but hatred toward a group defined by racial identification, regardless of any gang-related territorial threat."

Six years later, the racist terror campaign continues. http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
1. I've known about this for some time
Even in schools, Latino kids are terrorizing black kids. Hispanic radicals are feeding kids all this propaganda about how "La Raza" is superior to all other races, that they should hate whites, blacks, and Jews, and that their mission is to reclaim "Aztlan" (much of the Southwestern US) from America.

Of course, these same radicals encourage Mexican people to come here illegally because it's "their" land and so "our" laws don't apply to them.

Unfortunately, this gives a bad name to those who come here simply to seek a better life. Fortunately, there are those in the Hispanic community speaking out against this whole MEChA/LaRaza/reconquista insanity, like this group:

http://www.dontspeakforme.org/

I just hope it isn't too little, too late, to counteract all the lies that the anti-every-race-but-Latinos hate groups have been pounding into kids' heads.

And let's never forget the Mexican mafia and the corrupt Mexican government's roles in this "reconquista"....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. There is an unreported war going on now along the US/Mexican Border.
Edited on Fri Jan-26-07 10:52 PM by mayflower
Our national guard troops were overrun recently along the border by a hard core Mexican drug gang and had to run for their lives because they are not allowed to arm themselves with bullets. There are thousands of Mexican nationals now being smuggled illegally into LA by the Mexican Mafia. They are given cash by the gangs to purchase homes in LA using money derived from drug sales. These Mexican nationals are being granted loans by the banks without providing the requisite paperwork. These same bankers that don't ask any questions of the Mexican nationals are then denying African Americans the same home loans. The homes that are purchased through ill gotten gains then provide housing for up to twenty Mexican nationals, who export their brutality and violent lawlessness across the border. They prey on African Americans after gaining entry into this country by moving into their neighborhoods and ethnically cleansing them with a racist murderous hate. Not only do they break our laws by entering our country illegally to sell drugs and kill our citizens, they break city ordinances by having chickens and goats in their yards, relieving themselves outdoors (since many residents reside in one small home), they dry their clothes on the front fence, they throw drunken parties every other night, they grow corn in their yards, and they put up fences illegally across streams.

The recruits carrying out the Ethnic Cleansing campaign are hard core latino skinheads with allegiance to a greater Mexico, and an aversion for African Americans. They ruthlessly kill Africans Americans in their homes, their schools and their neighborhoods, and they sing a song abput taking the American Southwest back one street at a time. They are doing this with the full cooperation and knowledge of our elected officials. They have declared war upon our nation and its citizens and it is going on largely uncovered by the mainstream media, whose attention is diverted to Iraq. It is a threat to our national sovereignty and African Americans in LA are bearing the brunt of it with their lives. The same type of activity is also beginning to take root in Arizona.

Ethnic cleansing in 21st century America. Who'd a thunk! I'm completely horrified!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. That organization is a puppet organization set up by FAIR so they can claim they aren't racist.
It's disgusting that you would post that crap here at DU.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. So you deny that Mexican Nationals are flooding into the country illegally....
...killing American Citizens, law enforcement officers, and Ethnically Cleansing African Americans? This despite all the evidence that PROVES YOU ARE Wrong?

Tell it to the Marines.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. That is not what I said. I said the site posted was bogus.
"http://youdontspeakforme" is not even about ethnically cleansing african americans. That article came from the intelligence report at the SPLC.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #8
14. The problem in LA is gang violence
Gangs have been around forever. There are latino gangs in South Tucson that have been around since the forties. The violence is horrible, the crime needs to be stopped, but to link it to immigration is not going to solve the problem since most of the gang members are American Citizens.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #1
10. NCLR
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 12:19 AM by verdalaven
National Council of La Raza - The Largest national Latino civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States, NCLR works to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans. http://www.nclr.org/

I lived in Tucson, Arizona almost all my life, and La Raza was always used as an expression of pride, pride in the hispanic heritage. I'd never heard of it used as a rallying cry for hate crimes.


edit because I forgot to spell check!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:08 AM
Response to Reply #1
23. Look everybody, Martin Boreman!
Here, at Democratic Underground! Wow!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #1
39. they need to read some history
" these same radicals encourage Mexican people to come here illegally because it's "their" land and so "our" laws don't apply to them."

Mary Stuart pretty much used that tack when she was detained in England after fleeing there to escape her own Scottish lords. She said that because she was Catholic and a queen herself, her claim to the English throne was valid and superior to Elizabeth I Tudor; and because she was a queen of her own country and not an English subject, she didn't have to obey the laws of England because they didn't apply to her. She didn't take into consideration that England and pretty much Scotland by that time were quite Protestant and had no interest in becoming a Catholic country ever again.

She was eventually relieved of her head for conspiring to assassinate Elizabeth. These knuckleheads should take note of history. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:19 PM
Response to Original message
2. They might want to try fixing Mexico first....
Seems like a foolish thing to want to double your land when you can't even make what you already have work. But then again, asking a bunch of voilent racist assholes to think is probably asking too much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Do you ever watch 'America's Most Wanted'?
If you do you will see lots of Mexican Nationals that are wanted by law enforcement in this country for the brutal murder of Americans in cross border raids. It has gotten completely out of control. The gangs are so brazen now that they cross the border and hunt down Sheriffs that have confiscated drugs from one of their members and take their drugs back at gunpoint. If we don't do something soon to fight back, the citizens of the American Southwest will be conquered and annexed into a 'greater' Mexico, like it or not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
34. Great point!!!
I have been to Mexico on vacations 5 or 6 times and
it sure has the feel of a 3rd world country inspite of
being so close to the richest country on earth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:36 PM
Response to Original message
5. wtf?
I am not denying that there ARE racial problems in Los Angeles.

(FYI years ago it was blacks cleansing latinos)

However, the whole tone and undercurrent of this thread definitely displays the fact that even so called 'liberals' are not above bigotry.

This is the type of crap I would expect to see in Freerepublic.

But DU?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. "Under attack from Mexico" ?
Since when do the actions of the few stand for the actions of all? Most Mexicans are not murdering racists. The gangs are violent and truly cruel and hateful, but that doesn't mean "Mexico" is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. The Mexican Mafia is a fact of Life that won't go away just because you ...
...refuse to deny they exist or acknowledge the fact that they are exporting their nationistic racist terror across the border to America. Get your head out of the sand.

Mexico itself is a lawless country rotting from within with Governmental corruption. And this is not a commentary on "Most Mexicans". The fact of the matter is a growing number of Mexian Nationals residing illegally in this country ARE murdering American citizens and getting away with it. This post deals with that subject and the deteriorating law and order situation in LA, which is being brought about by the Ethnic Cleansing Campaign the Mexican gangs are conducting against African Americans for the purpose of taking over an American City.



Mexican Mafia ~ Le Eme ~
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:24 AM
Response to Reply #13
27. Dear Congressman Tancredo?
What was your favorite part of the Turner Diaries?

Mine was wear the Jewish agents in the Pentagon force the rod up that guys ass. Wow, that was gross.

Thanks!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #6
15. LOL - "under attack from Mexico"
This story was up a few days ago. It really look like an anti-Mexican, Anti-immigrant spin on a dynamic that has much more to do with the prison system and prison culture having an echo effect outside of prisons. Also as a poster above points out, the article writer seems to confuse "la Raza" with "La M".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. YOU THINK THIS IS FUNNY?!
Mexican Drug Gangs Terrorize Texas Ranchers

Mexican reporters fear gangs
A war is waged on newspapers' ability to inform
Susana Haywar
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Aug. 14, 2005 12:00 AM

NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico - A drug war is ripping apart northern Mexico, but you won't find many details about who's behind it in the local newspapers. Journalists - after their colleagues have been killed, kidnapped and threatened with death - have stopped investigating organized crime. LINK



Yeah dude, its a regular laugh riot, that'd likely leave you shitting your pants if these thugs showed up at your door.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. Okay, I don't post often, but jeez
I've officially got my panties in a twist.

http://www.latimes.com/wireless/avantgo/la-me-gangrace21jan21,0,3356358.story

Racial attacks by gangs rising, L.A. officials fear
Statistics give only a partial picture, because determining motivation can be difficult.


By Megan Garvey and Patrick McGreevy, Times Staff Writers

The headlines are among the most stark documenting gang violence. A Latino gang member, without saying a word, guns down a 14-year-old black girl standing on a sidewalk. A black gang member shoots a Latino toddler point-blank in the chest.

For the most part, though, the role racial animosity has played in gang crime has gone unexamined, largely undocumented in crime statistics and often tamped down by politicians and law enforcement officials anxious about inflaming tensions.

~snip~


But getting a handle on how much gang violence is rooted in racism is difficult.

A Times analysis of Los Angeles Police Department statistics gives a partial picture, with numbers available only in cases in which a suspect's race is known.

The tracking shows that the vast majority of the most serious gang crime remains intra-racial: Latinos attacking Latinos, blacks attacking blacks.


Racism exists and gangs are violent, no argument. Personally, I blame the war on drugs. Maybe if drugs were legalized, there'd be less need to kill people over them.

Really, what are you trying to say with all your posts? That it is time to call in the Marines and launch an attack on Mexico?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Well - the story you posted is data from 7 years ago!
Did you even read the story. The guy killed int he first couple paragraphs..that happened in the year 2000 -- then it talks at length about how the gangs in L.A. were mixed until prison-based racism pervaded them. This is coming out of US prisons; not from Mexico. There is no invasion.

Not really buying your fear mongering thing here. If this was such a huge threat seven years ago then what happened?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:04 AM
Response to Reply #6
22. Tom Tancredo?
Is that you?

Your book is awesome! Before I read it, I barely knew that we were facing a race war. Now, me and my family are packing up our car, loading up with guns, and heading for Idaho.

Thank you!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. Yeah, speaking out against ethnic cleansing is so anti-liberal!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. Drug Czar Says Mexican Drug Gangs Taking Over Public Land
Drug Czar Says Mexican Drug Gangs Taking Over Public Land
December 17, 2003

Drug Czar John Walters, on a whistle-stop tour through California, accused violent Mexican drug cartels of taking over public land in the state’s parks to grow marijuana and, for the first time, opium. (This is likely not what President Bush had in mind two weeks ago when he signed the Healthy Forests Initiative, opening some public lands to private enterprise.) Walters, interviewed by the Associated Press during a stop in Sacramento, said that the cartels, none of which he named, are using the state’s rich lands to grow drugs in the United States, which they deem to be safer and more lucrative than risking interdiction at the U.S. border. LINK TO FULL ARTICLE ON MENACE OF LAWLESS MEXICAN NATIONALS INFILTRATING AMERICA


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:17 AM
Response to Reply #16
26. Dear Congressmen Tancredo
Have the Mexicans pushed their way into Yellowstone yet? My family was planning a vacation, and we'd hate to be butchered like hogs while trying to see Old Faithful by roving hordes of lawless Mexicans.

Thanks!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. Why you don't go have a picnic with the Mexican Mafia if you think they're so friendly...
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 09:49 AM by mayflower
...and don't forget your AK.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
24. If you're not getting the insane racist undercurrent in this load of bullshit
Maybe you should look this whole thing over just a weeeeeeee bit more carefuly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:20 AM
Response to Original message
20. The gang violence has gone on unabated since the early 70's.
Whether it be Crips and Bloods, Crip on Crip, BGF vs Mexican Mafia, 415's vs El Rukans or what have you. It was big news in the 80's and early 90's but coverage and concern has dropped off but the violence hasn't. This racial shit between the Latinos and the African-Americans is fairly new though. I have read about it before but only within the past 5 years or so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mayflower Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. Yes, that is when cocaine trafficing got started...
The problem is that year after year the Mexican Nationals are encroaching on our more and more of our public and private property and seizing it through increasingly violent means. It is reaching critical mass, and if their current program of Ethnic Cleansing continues in LA, an entire community will again be forced out a la New Orleans. The Mexican Mafia is now executing a plan to take over the Southwestern United States and absorb it into a "greater Mexico", and they are doing this with the complicity of our government, who have even gone so far as to punish law enforcement that try to prevent Mexican drug gangs from making cross border raids. Our lawmakers are effectively ceding our nation to Mexican nationals at a frightening pace and won't stop.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:15 AM
Response to Reply #21
25. Dear Congressman Tancredo
I've read your message, and am ready to act.

However, there are very few Hispanics in Seattle, and the time and material for burning crosses is time consuming and expensive? Have you found a more economical way to express your vicious, paranoid, racist message? Possibly via email?

Please write back quickly, the Mexican Mafia could rape and kill my family at any moment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #25
30. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #25
32. Very few Hispanics in Seattle? I beg to differ.
Latinos are the biggest minority in the Puget Sound region, and in Washington State generally. They have worked on the region's argricultural farms for decades.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. You have no idea what you're talking about.

In Seattle, Hispanics make up less than 5% of the population, as opposed to Asian American immigrants, who make up close to 12%.

I didn't make note of the rest of the state, but even then, in the Pugent Sound region the Hispanic population is a drop in the bucket compared to most of the rest of the western half of the country. East of the mountains is different, but whatever, I never mentioned it in the first place.

Other than defending this lunatic, what point where you trying to make again?



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:28 AM
Response to Reply #20
28. I think there has been a racial component to it for a while as well
but it seems that with the growth of the Latino population, the power of these gangs has also grown. Some of these areas sound so segregated, that almost every where is the "wrong side of the tracks". The African American population in LA, and CA (as well as the US a whole), has fallen to a smaller percentage. Also, they are also not the largest minority group - either in CA or nationwide.

Now, of course the key is not to fall for reactionary Tom Tancredo bullshit, but it's certainly safe to say that this sort of harassment and racism cannot go unopposed. These gangs' tactics are disturbingly similar to the KKK and other racist groups.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 10:38 AM
Response to Original message
31. Wow


So, last week in LA, the Hispanic women who cleaned our hotel rooms (at a pay rate of $3 per room, I learned) are really financed by Mexican Drug Lords out to Kill Homey and Whitey? And the Latino cab drivers who got us to every destination safely and without overcharging us were really plotting our demise as they chatted? Dayum.

Are there people from Central and South America who are racist and full of hate? No doubt. But Whites and Blacks have their own hate groups.

Equal Opportunity Hating going on everywhere.

Aren't humans fascinating?


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:03 PM
Response to Original message
35. Ask yourself "Why this was posted like this in DU?" Divide and Conquer is an RNC
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 01:04 PM by McCamy Taylor
strategy which has worked time and time again. "Mexican Mafia" committing genocide against African-americans sure sounds like a way to get another wing of the Democratic party on board the "ship all the latinos back over the border" bandwagon to me.

Is the title of the thread totally accurate? Do we know that these are Mexican Nationals who are committing these crimes and that they are part of a movement that espouses genocide?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Amused Musings Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:14 PM
Response to Original message
38. I'm pretty sure Alternet is an independent liberal news site
So I don't think attack the messenger tactics will work too well.

That being said, this is the reason why the War on Drugs must end. Much of the border crime comes from the drug trade and mafia and gangs grew up around it because it was so profitable. The best way to end the scourge of organized crime is to cut off their main revenue source. The problem with drugs is that there will always be a supply as long as there is a demand. Thus, by legalizing it and legitimizing much of the industry, the prices will fall to their natural market price much like alcohol. The organize crime will still persist for a while but eventually fade.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 11:54 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC