CNN link: senator clinton IMPRESSES crowd in Iowa

[Lerkfish]

before its gone, look at the front page. The link for this story is:

Senator Clinton impresses crowd in Iowa

, but if you click the link it just says

Clinton meets a crowd in Iowa.


I find it interesting that they want to characterize the crowd's opinion positively, as if they could know that.

additionally, you'll see the link in the video is this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/clinton.obama/index.html

which attempts to make mere happenstance appear to be oneupmanship between Obama and Clinton, with Obama being the first offender.
It also uses language like "Obama dons a microphone", implying its a prop or costume or that he doesn't deserve to be wearing a microphone.


pay attention folks, msm is framing this precisely and intentionally.

[rodeodance]

1. I believe she DID impress the crowd. I was listening to most of it. SO, for

me, the first heading is approprioate (I missed the first 5 minutes or so).

[Lerkfish]

5. YOU were impressed, then, and if you report that yourself, that's good.

If, however, as an objective reporter, you characterize that others are "impressed", that is describing something which can only be arrived at by self-reporting.

[still_one]

15. The questions were all softball, and the crowd was impressed by her celebrity status

Frankly, I could get up an impress a crowd also. Here is my platform:

Healthcare is good, no healthcare is bad
Jobs are good, no jobs is bad
Veterans benefits are good, no veterans benefits are bad
Diabetis is bad, cures are good
Education is good, no education is bad


How does that sound?

[sandnsea]

23. I watched it, ho hum

Some applauded, some sat silent. Yes I'm biased, but then so are you.

[Captain Hilts]

2. Perhaps the reporter spoke to people there who were impressed? nt

[Lerkfish]

3. perhaps so. But it is still journalistically unsound to state a subjective

internal reaction of a third party as fact.

"Clinton appears to impress crowd" or "Many in crowd state they were impressed by Clinton" would be more acceptable.

but how about my main point, that they are going out of their way to frame Clinton one way, and Obama another?

[Captain Hilts]

6. "Many in crowd say they were impressed by Clinton" is long and passive.

Journalists prefer to write - particularly headlines - short and active. The active case is clearer. You're taught to do that in non-fiction writing such as news articles and dissertations, etc.

[Lerkfish]

10. the word "impressed" should not have been used at all, actually.

There are other ways to characterize the event.

Many of you are fixating ONLY on the Clinton event. Please note my post is comparing and CONTRASTING with the difference between how Clinton and Obama are framed.

Please note I am not a supporter of either candidate, I am just noting the difference in how they're portrayed.

[kikiek]

7. That is the 1st positive sounding report I've seen on her. I like Obama, but I think

his coverage is more positive unless it is Fox and of course CNN's "mistakes". The real question is how are they framing McCain or that gang running.

[Frustratedlady]

4. She received an excellent reception and was held over in Des Moines to

sign autographs and answer more questions for quite a while. She was headed to Cedar Rapids, but would be running late.

Oh, BTW, The Hawk Eye, this morning, stated that "Clinton blamed President Bush Saturday for misusing authority given him by Congress to act in Iraq, but conceded `I take responsibility' for her role in allowing that to happen." (Mike Glover, The Associated Press)

I watched most of it, including the long period of time she was interacting with the crowd after the speech. I would say she received a very good reception.

I say this, not as a supporter of Hillary, but in defending her performance.

[Lerkfish]

8. everything you said in your post would be acceptable

an "excellent reception" still can be an objective observation. Being "impressed" is a subjective observation and requires the audience themselves to make that determination.

I"m just saying its an intentionally leading framing. One candidate "impressed" the crowd. The other candidate "upstages" and "dons" a microphone.

I'm pointing out the contrast. That's my main point.

[Captain Hilts]

9. You're needlessly splitting hairs. Clinton's not even my 3rd choice, but I believe...

she impressed the crowd.

I don't have a problem with this.

[Lerkfish]

11. are you completely ignoring the COMPARISON, the entire point of my post?

do you care to comment on that at all? thanks.

[Captain Hilts]

14. The reporter was there and seems to have spoken and observed people...

being impressed by her. Others on this thread thought she did a good job. This suggests that the meeting went well for her.

I've not read anything from any other news sources that suggests otherwise, so I'll accept it.

[Lerkfish]

16. "seems to have" spoken

is an interesting qualifier.

[still_one]

12. That crowd was pathetic. Not one direct question to her about Iraq

Her answers were crowd pleasers, and when she didn't want to answer a question, she changed the subject.

Example, one person asked about the troop escalation, and she switched to how Veterans benefits a dismal under this administration, and it would not be under her administration

I am sorry, but I have very little patience for the intelligence in this country.

In fact, we deserve exactly what we get. We are a nation of STUPID people. bush was elected twice, and the argument that he didn't really win is irrelevent. The voter turnout in 2000 was dismal at best. People obviously do NOT care

[Breeze54]

13. She hasn't IMPRESSED me!

and that music she was playing, I heard on the news, was sooooo 80's!!! :rofl:

"I find it interesting that they want to characterize
the crowd's opinion positively, as if they could know that."

I agree!! More friggin' SPIN from the idiot MSM! :puke:

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[Alhena]

17. She's good- I still think Obama is better .... look at these clips

clips of responses to speeches by Bush. She's very good, but I think Obama is even better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSuDwvnOjw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RDSpuh9K28

[Hailtothechimp]

18. I read a quote in the Chicago Tribune that suggests otherwise

Basically, two folks in in the crowd wondered how Hillary could talk for an hour an not mention Iraq. They didn't sound very impressed by that, either.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0701280371jan28,1,2716716.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

[xultar]

19. Well how can they tell? ROFL They asked people afterwards & they said..."I'm impressed."

I think that's how they know. Not to mention all the applause and smiling faces nodding up in down in agreement.

Shocked that anyone can be impressed by a woman so dispised on DU? Don't be. There is a whole fucking planet out there with BILLIONS of people who feel differently about things that what is displayed on DU.

Believe it or not MANY - MILLIONS of great Democrats like Hillary.

[Lerkfish]

20. valid point.

I still stand by my COMPARISON, which no one seems willing to discuss.

[Captain Hilts]

22. If CNN is like newspapers, different people write the articles and the headlines. Then...

there's this DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x65277

[xultar]

21. I'd prefer tif they just used the word meet. But this is the same media that pumps up Bush.

So I don't mind as much. IF they are gonna be objective then they should be objective. But since they never have been with Bush then they can afford to use and should use some kind words for Hillary or any Democratic candidate.

Think how the media played a role in the swif-boating of Kerry. They fuckin owe us. They owe the entire world.

[Lerkfish]

24. well, bias isn't better or ok just because its towards one's candidate

I agree the media has been complicit in cheerleading Bush, and I agree that the pendulum should swing back, but I suggest that the pendulum should swing back to dead center (meaning no bias).
analysis is fine, and editorials are fine, and even endorsing a candidate is fine, if they're upfront about it.
but reporting events and having a spin or a slant is exactly what got us in this mess in the first place, and since I don't think the media is suddenly becoming ethical overnight, it makes me leery of their motives....which works against Clinton instead of for her..


just my opinion, though

[xultar]

25. I respect what you are saying here. Great talkin with ya Lerkfish!

[FrenchieCat]

26. She did well at this gathering......heard that she practically endorsed

Wes Clark, even if she didn't mean to! :)

Hillary Clinton in Iowa: "Democrats should nominate someone that can inspire trust when it comes to National Security because, she says, Republicans will put up a strong candidate of their own"
--KRNV News 4 (1/27/07)

This is reported at the very end of the video clip here......
First part is Clark interviewed at Democratic Nevada function yesterday.....
http://71.242.238.154/~ice/vidclips/clark_nevada_01_27_2007.wmv