Is it more difficult for Hillary Clinton to admit her IWR vote was wrong because she's a woman?

[Clarkie1]

Poll question: Is it more difficult for Hillary Clinton to admit her IWR vote was wrong because she's a woman?

I think it's a interesting question. I do believe that there is definitely a double-standard in our society in regards to gender.

If Hillary Clinton admitted her IWR vote was wrong, would society treat that as more of sign of weakness than in Edwards' case, whereas in Edwards' case it is more likely to viewed in the positive light of admitting a mistake?

[skipos]

1. Too many Americans prefer someone who sticks to their guns

as opposed to someone who reevaluates their descisions as time goes on. It is quite pathetic, but I think they are coming around a bit. I don't think sex has anything to do with it.

I think there are a LOT of voters who, right or wrong, will never like anything Hillary does. It is something to think about before she gets nominated.

[aquart]

3. I think she's under huge pressure to prove she can make tough decisions.

Which pushes her into a hawkish position. So, yeah, that's definitely because she's a woman running for Commander In Chief. A woman without military experience, because her generation didn't have a military role worth discussing. In the future, we may well have women running for president with combat experience. But prior to the present day, women's remoteness from military decisions and military realities has been one of the excuses for keeping them out of power.

[skipos]

4. I don't think millions of Americans dislike her so much because of

some perceived inablity to make descisions. I think millions of Americans dislike her because she comes across as being very political and calculating.

I think people who "stand up for what they believe in" even if it is wrong (Bush, Lieberman, etc) often get rewarded with votes. People who are perceived as wind socks don't.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

[MaineDem]

2. I don't believe gender plays a role in this at all. n/t

[blondeatlast]

10. Agreed. nt

[shirlden]

5. Dancing around

Hill is just practicing all of her dance steps trying to find the middle of the IWR circle. This is the kind of person, male or female, I don't want for president. Just get some balls, Hill. There are plenty of other femmes in the gov who have grown some big ones.
Put a cap on the number of troops in Iraq.........WTF is that?
And all of her dance partners seem to be in the corporate camp of the DLC.
I am trying really hard to find a reason to support her, but I keep going the other direction.

PS I am a female......old and cranky

:wtf:

[nealmhughes]

6. So a nay by Boxer makes her "Diebold Poison"?

By the time one gets into congress, and has ambition beyond a 2 or 6 year term, the reelection machine seems to kick in about Day 2 after the swearing in.

She is still not officially doing penance, either, claiming to be just another innocent victim of the lying liar BushCo...

However, in defense of all the Ayes, I do think a lot of them thought they were voting to authorize revanche for 911 against al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the Taliban enablers, NOT for war with Iraq.

And for all the "We're at war and have to buckle down to the President's decisions" crowd, Take a look at the Mexican War -- Congress's split was deep and bitter against Polk's decision. This is not a historical fact as people tend to wish to rewrite, this "Support the war once we are at war." Hellsbells, New England almost seceeded from the Union over the Embargo Act and the War of 1812!

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. It is more difficult for Hillary Clinton to admit her IWR vote was wrong

because she doesn't believe it was wrong.

[shirlden]

9. Bingo !!

We have a winner.

:toast:

[peace13]

11. Agree !

She is OK with the war and willing to march on toward victory! Yikes!

[Generator]

8. I've thought about her taking responsibility

and no "do over" comments. I just saw her again answering it in Iowa this morning on CNN. I think she's pandering to the Republicans in a very subtle way. I think the reason she won't bluntly say-this war is wrong-voting for this war was wrong-is because it essentially means I wish this war didn't happen. She doesn't want to say that. The war is a proud thing to a certain segment of the population-certainly many in the military. To take the war away completely is not what they want. SO she gets (again) to try to have it both ways. The president misled us, but heck I'd do it again even knowing it's wrong is what she's saying. It doesn't sound honest in the end to our ears. It's very subtle.

She takes responsiblity but she won't say I was wrong. Well, being wrong means fixing your mistake. And she gets to have it both ways again-continue the war-but be against the surge. She's the perfect middle ground which is what SHE believes America wants. I think America is sick of lies, deception and wars without end and shady purposes.

[justiceischeap]

12. Hillary Clinton Says She Wouldn't Have Voted For Iraq War

This morning on NBC's "Today" show, Sen. Clinton was asked about her 2002 vote and offered a slightly evolved answer. "Obviously, if we knew then what we know now, there wouldn't have been a vote," she said in her usual refrain before adding, "and I certainly wouldn't have voted that way."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2006/12/hillary_clinton.html

Granted she's dodged it until now but still...

[Auntie Bush]

13. If Hillary hadn't voted "Yes" she'd have been screwed by the

right wing and "left wing media" as a weak woman and not fit for President..she had no choice if she really wanted the Presidency. Do you remember...just before the vote the right wing was criticizing and laughing at Kerry for his anti-war stance in Vietnam. That dirty trick made all those Dems vote for the IWR. It was a cheap dirty trick by the RepubliCONS. They were shamed into voting. Not many people who were going to run for President dare not vote for the IWR...except Russ Feingold and I don't think he had very serious intentions of running.

It's working in the reverse now. Most the Republicans who want to run for President are against the war now. Even McCain's numbers have dropped and the others are listening and watching.

In other words...give all our candidates a break and some understanding on their vote for the IWR...it's politics! It's a tough thing to do but we must if we don't want to toss out half of our candidates. Just saying......

[Milo_Bloom]

14. Oh come on...

"That dirty trick made all those Dems vote for the IWR. It was a cheap dirty trick by the RepubliCONS. "

So the republicans TRICKED the dems into voting for the war and the fact that they fell for it is going to make me want to vote for them??? I wonder how many things they can be tricked into during their first term, as they think about their second term?

If Hillary had voted NO on the IWR, right now she would be seen as a visionary, who really put thought into the vote, instead of going where the GOP led her.

[RegimeChange2008]

15. I don't think her being a woman has anything to do with it.

I think the fact that she actually believes in this insane, genocidal, imperialist, fascist neocon foreign policy DOES. Despite the obvious miserable failure of Iraq, the DLC/PPI spin is still claiming that they can somehow run a "better" global fascist imperialist war than Bush, rather than admitting that the entire idea is FULL OF SHIT regardless of which party you market it under.

The fact that Hillary and Edwards (among others) are openly pushing the lie that Iran is a "threat" to the United States is very disturbing.

Someday I hope to vote for the first woman to become President of the United States. But I can't see any circumstances under which Hillary Clinton will be that woman.

[Auntie Bush]

16. So how about Condi?

:rofl:

Seriously...how about Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer?

Chelsea Clinton someday?

[proud patriot]

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