Photo of WES CLARK's House--Just for the record.....since it may be feeling left out!

[FrenchieCat]

General Wesley K. Clark:
Little Rock, Arkansas
Style of house: Georgian
Year built: 1967
Square footage: 4,023
Rooms: Unavailable
Bedrooms: Unavailable
Baths: 2 full, one half
Assessed value: $365,450 as of 2004
http://www.boston.com/realestate/galleries/pres_res/2.html

[PresidentObama]

Beautiful home General.

Now, run!! :patriot:

[Eurobabe]

3. no disrespect Wes, but you need to run from that house!

Extreme Home Makeover needed.

But that's why we love the General, he's a regular guy.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Hey...quit talking about the General's house! Gert lived in 31 homes

all over prior to them settling down. Give her some time!

I actually find it pretty representative of who they are; strong, regal yet humble!

Girl, you know I'm a decorator by nature, doncha? But the door could be a different color. Maybe black?

The landscaping would be Wes' domain, and considering how he's always on the go, he probably hasn't had a chance to really get in there and make a few updates! :shrug:

[Eurobabe]

1. Frenchie you baaaad gurl.....

:popcorn:

[FrenchieCat]

12. What?

You know there's a new site, where you punch in the address and they provide you with the value of the house with an arial shot of the neiborhood and the value of the houses all around it?

It's called http://www.zillow.com/

[Eurobabe]

14. I LOVE Zillow!!

It's the greatest tool since Newsmeat. LOL.

[MattSh]

30. Doesn't seem to be real accurate, though....

Went to the neighborhood I used to live in. It's showing values all below $81,000. Houses in this complex haven't sold that low in about 10 years. Now, they're fetching $200,000 or so. Even now in early 2007.

Warning for Mac users. They require you to use Firefox. Nothing wrong with Firefox. I just hate a website that dictates what browser I can use.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Clark is Clearly A Smear Merchant

Clark only purchased this house to embarass Edwards.

This will not stand.

[Eurobabe]

4. LOL

[Porcupine]

29. Well, his "poor boy" landscaping is doing the job.....

Where are his invasive exotics? Why can't he have half a mile of driveway bordered by horse pasture to intimidate guests?

Who the hell does he think he is?



:sarcasm:

[Adelante]

35. Good early morning laugh for me

Thanks :D

[Clark2008]

46. ROFLMAO!!

That's the funniest thing I've read in two days.

:rofl:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. looks like he trims his bushes!

very neat!

[FrenchieCat]

8. Yes he does.....Cause like all of us, he knows talking to Bushes

doesn't do a damn thing! LOL!

Guess we could use a neat trim over at the White House too!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. more like pulling up by the roots (at the WH)

[FrenchieCat]

17. Yes, you're right about that!

Reminds me of something the late Col. David Hackworth once said about Wes Clark during the 2004 primary campaign--

"He doesn’t suffer fools easily and wouldn’t have allowed the dilettantes who convinced Dubya to do Iraq to even cut the White House lawn."
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?command=viewone&id=35&database=Hacks%20Target.db

[DuaneBidoux]

55. For me I always thought if I owned a franchised Dairy Queen I MIGHT

allow this guy to make shakes, he sure wouldn't be managing the store.

[FrenchieCat]

56. ?

[FrenchieCat]

62. Oh...I get it!

Sorry! Doh! :crazy:

:hi:

[DaveinMD]

7. and what's the point of this thread

[FrenchieCat]

9. Sense of humor?

I had someone asking me about Wes Clark's house in a thread.

I found the info and thought I would post it.

Is that OK?

It ain't the house we shall not speak of.....so It should be OK, non?

[DaveinMD]

10. ok

This entire thing about the house is stupid. I hate Democrats fighting with other Dems.

[butterfly77]

52. Are you sure they all are Dems...

[DaveinMD]

54. a lot of them are

I see lots of people I've been friendly with here attack other Dems. It bothers me.

[LanternWaste]

64. Aye... there's the rub.

Aye... there's the rub. A seemingly innocuous question quite possibly hiding an anti-candidate agenda that hurts the Progressive movement more than it heals it. Whether through deliberate and conscious choice or simply through ignorance it hurts us either way.

Such silly points the right is reduced to-- "his house is too big and not energy efficient enough (although I can't tell you what the precise size and effiency should be, nor what that size and efficiency is based on, it's my story and I'm sticking to it...)".

I'm finally beginning to understand how the dirty tricks ("Rat-Fucking as it was called in the Nixonian era) of the right are used even on DU.

[FrenchieCat]

65. Yes, most Democrats are fools who should all want Edwards

as President no matter what he has said or done.

Riiiight!

Thanks for the compliment! I'm sure we are just as naive and able to be "used" as John Edwards who was "misled" into supporting War by Right Wing BushCo and their dirty tricks, but saw the lights three years later! :eyes:

DUers who had anything to say that wasn't kissing Edwards ass this week will see you in three years with our Mea Culpa....K? Then we will be loved again by you and ready for whatever promotion you might have in store for us! :shrug:

[LanternWaste]

66. Absolutely not my implication...

"...as President no matter what he has said or done."
Absolutely not my implication. Vote for whom you believe to be the best candidate, and be proud of yourself for doing so.

I dounderstand that if a person looks hard enough, they will always find an insult-- even in the words and places where they do not exist.

My point is that a house seems such a puerile matter to focus either positive or negative energy onto. I'd love to see positive debates over actual policies rather than the trivial.

[Adelante]

37. It's a good taste contest, Dave

Guess who wins?

[DaveinMD]

40. this is what I was talking about

this baseless attack on other Dems needs to stop. Edwards has done amazing things fighting for poor people. He's also wealthy and bought a big house. Good for him. Read this.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/1/28/23298/4154

[Adelante]

41. You've lost your sense of humor

Now that you are an Edwards supporter.

In any case, my only interest in the stupid house is what it says about a potential presidential candidate in terms of issues and possible policy direction. I want a president who will lead the country away from conspicuous consumption and toward sustainability. This is what is important to me about this entire episode. "He's wealthy and bought a big house." Yes, that's it exactly.

[DaveinMD]

43. I'm not a supporter of anyone just yet

I don't like either side attacking other Dems. I don't want Clark attacked. I don't want Edwards attacked. I don't want Obama attacked. I don't want Clinton attacked. I want people to support their candidates on their own merit. I have certain favorites, but I'm not involved with any campaign yet.

[Tom Rinaldo]

42. Actually I just posted on that thread at MyDD

This is what I said:

"It is just as knee jerk to relexively dismiss information solely because the sorce of that information likely has an axe to grind against someone, political or otherwise. Many whistle blowers become whistle blowers for less than noble reasons, for example.

I am not so much talking about this specific brew haha over the Edwards house, but speaking more to a general principle. Had it been Air America that first broke the news of the Mark Foley Scandal, and had their information all been completely accurate, would that have allowed conservative christian supporters of George Bush to dismiss the facts of the charges, or totally ignore all implications of that reality as it became apparent, simply because those liberal whackos at Air America likely were scoring political points over it?

Obviously the source of information matters regarding trusting the accuracy of reporting. Obviously the souce of information matters regarding how information can be twisted out of context. Obviously the source of information matters regarding how information is framed and how political spin need to be confronted and countered.

Again I am less talking about the flap about the Edwards house than I am about not reflexively closing ourselves off from looking at information because we have little or no respect for the source of that information. Of course information from non trustworthy sources must be treated as highly suspicious on the face of it. I wouldn't put it past Drudge or anyone else who is an adversary of Democrats to intentionally withold information that the Edwards complex would also house his anti-poverty center in the future, and that it wasn't just his family residence (if that were in fact true, to make up one example).

Don't Trust. But Verify."

A lot of opinions are being thrown around about the Edwards house, and some I have no doubt are attempts by people who do not mean Edwards well to do him political harm over it simply because they do not mean Edwards well. But once the real facts are determined on this or any other matter, than those are no longer in dispute regardless of the source. The interpretation of those facts however can be hotly disputed, and should be if you feel it is malicious and inaccurate. That's where the discussion if there is any should center.

Sure, I think this issue has been overblown, but a part of that is the result of there being far more threads on DU defending Edwards over this than ever were started expressing displeasure over "the House" in the first place. A case can also be made that a handfull of threads defending Edwards on this would have sufficed, especially on a place like Democratic Underground where an active thread always stays at the top of the page.

And while in my opinion this has all been overblown, it also bothers me a lot when anyone here who expresses an opinion outside of "It's his money, he earned it and he can do what he legally wants with it, are you saying that rich people can't care about the poor? We are eating our own" gets bashed here on DU for sharing it. Some people here do have their own sincere and potentially valid reasons to find a troubling political or environmental subtext to the housing choice that the Edwards family made quite recently. You can obviously disagree about those qualms being valid, but respect should flow two ways in this discussion, if it is going to be held at all.

[Bitwit1234]

11. Darn----

That's much nicer looking than the 1.7 million dollar house belonging to Hillary and Bill. I guess it is the location. Why doesn't someone show a picture of the gigantic mansion belong to cheney.

[Auntie Bush]

15. That's a might fine house for $365,000.

You could only by a dump around here for that much money. That house around here would cost around 900,000. The general did some good shopping. I saw that picture couple years ago and forgot how nice it was. Thanks for showing us...I'm sure the General and Gert wouldn't mind.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Yep......maybe he's good with money.

I know he rebuilt his own car engine when Wes Jr. screwed it up (so I heard). He couldn't afford to buy a new one. But that shows resourcefulness; not a bad trait!

PS. Sorry Wes Jr. if you read this. Didn't mean to rat on you! :hi:

[zulchzulu]

18. How dare he!

He doesn't have a big lawn? He uses shrubs and a rock garden in front of the home instead of a nice lawn?

What? He's too lazy to cut the grass?

Damn! Get Carville on the horn, bubba!

He put in a front yard that doesn't need a lawnmower?

What does that say to all those people in America that make lawnmowers or gardeners who might be able to cut the lawn, which is a lot less stressful backache than weeding a grass-less front yard!

Hey, and that looks like some kind of fancy driveway that circles around that tree... I mean, do you believe that anyone would....(fade to silence)

[FrenchieCat]

19. Hey.....whatdayaknow.....that IS a circular looking driveway.....

That guy had better straighten up, quick.

[KingofNewOrleans]

20. Nice House. Who's Wes Clark?

eom

[FrenchieCat]

22. No one you'd know-- He's a guy that tells the truth while many

do this!

like when he said this back in September of 2002! :shrug:


"The war is unpredictable and could be difficult and costly. And what is at risk in the aftermath is an open-ended American ground commitment in Iraq and an even deeper sense of humiliation in the Arab world, which could intensify our problems in the region and elsewhere.

we're going to have chaos in that region. We may not get control of all the weapons of mass destruction, technicians, plans, capabilities; in fact, what may happen is that we'll remove a repressive regime and have it replaced with a fundamentalist regime which contributes to the strategic problem rather than helping to solve it.

But I will say this, that the administration has not proceeded heretofore in a way that would encourage its friends and allies to support it. One of the problems we have is the overhang from a number of decisions taken by the administration which have undercut its friends and allies around the world and given the impression that the United States doesn't respect the opinions of other.

Then we're dealing with the longer mid term, the mid term problems. Will Iraq be able to establish a government that holds it together or will it fragment? There are strong factionary forces at work in Iraq and they will continue to be exacerbated by regional tensions in the area. The Shia in the south will be pulled by the Iranians.

The Kurds want their own organization. The Kurds will be hemmed in by the Turks. The Iraqis also, the Iranians also are nervous of the Kurds. But nevertheless, the Kurds have a certain mass and momentum that they've built up. They will have to work to establish their participation in the government or their own identity.

We've encouraged Saddam Hussein and supported him as he attacked against Iran in an effort to prevent Iranian destabilization of the Gulf. That came back and bit us when Saddam Hussein then moved against Kuwait. We encouraged the Saudis and the Pakistanis to work with the Afghans and build an army of God, the mujahaddin, to oppose the Soviets in Afghanistan. Now we have released tens of thousands of these Holy warriors, some of whom have turned against us and formed Al Qaida.

My French friends constantly remind me that these are problems that we had a hand in creating. So when it comes to creating another strategy, which is built around the intrusion into the region by U.S. forces, all the warning signs should be flashing. There are unintended consequences when force is used. Use it as a last resort. Use it multilaterally if you can. Use it unilaterally only if you must."
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/iraq_20022003/

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. Why should anyone remember that?

Everyone knows that. Now.

[snowbear]

21. Great website Frenchie =^..^= ~~~ !!

Dennis Kucinich wins the "not afraid of using color" catagory!!!



But wow.. my favorite house is Al Sharpton's ~~~ Beautiful Victorian!!

[FrenchieCat]

23. Yeah.....Sharpton's house in the snow looks very stylish and

Home and Garden.!

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. Hey! That doesn't look like a compact florescent in that porch light! n/t

[FrenchieCat]

26. They're waiting for it to burn out.....

than it will be replaced, and a designated Clarkie has been chosen to take the photo of when it's being done!

I hope that is enough! :eyes: :sarcasm:

However, Clark is helping others with their housing woes.

He is participating in Global Green in NOLA...

If 50,000 homes were rebuilt according to the energy cost reduction goals in the competition, residents would save $38 million to $56 million EVERY year. Each sustainably designed home would also reduce carbon and greenhouse gas emissions by approximately 11 tons per household per year, the equivalent of taking 100,000 cars off the road.

Global Green USA - the American affiliate of President Gorbachev’s Green Cross International – was founded by Diane Meyer Simon in 1993. Its newly opened field office and green building resource center will serve as a focal point of green building expertise for New Orleans residents and is the face of its “Healthy Homes, Smart Neighborhoods” initiative whose Honorary National Task Force includes: Julian bond, Gen. Wesley Clark, Leonardo DiCaprio, Morgan Freeman, Lee Hamilton, Pat Mitchell and David Orr. Global Green USA has been a national leader in green building for affordable housing, schools and communities for more than a decade and has influenced more than $20 billion dollars in green construction.
http://www.globalgreen.org/press/releases/2006_07_17_winner.htm

and launched the HERO project--

http://www.nemmar.com/real-estate-Gen-Wesley-Accessibility-Program.html
Gen. Wesley Clark Launches Accessibility Program

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark launched a new lnternationai code council (IcC) program last month to improve the quality for veterans with disabilities. http://www.icc-foundation.org/about /

The Ohio home of Vietnam veteran shelby Bowling is the pilot site for Project H .E.R.O. — Homes Eliminated of Restrictions and Obstacles bringing together building officials architects engineers businesses snd other volunteers to help make the homes of veterans with dIsabIlities accessible

[roguevalley]

27. Georgian brick. I love those. nice house. :)

[aquart]

28. I have never been inside a Georgian style house.

It's a longing.

[roguevalley]

60. There were a few where I grew up. Gracious with a capital G.

[Boo Boo]

31. There are advantages to living in AK. That kind of money would by a

cracker box tract home out here in SoCal.

BTW, Frenchie, you've linked to Bush's dude ranch at the end of your post.

[Cameron27]

38. Oops, that was my fault

Here's the link to the right page:

http://www.boston.com/realestate/galleries/pres_res/4.html


:blush:

[snowbear]

61. Except Boo Boo....

AK = Alaska

Arkansas is "AR"

The houses are expensive as hell up here!

[autorank]

32. Hey Frenchie, don't tell anybody but this is my house...

[Texas_Kat]

39. The Taj Mahal is actually a tomb

Not to put too fine a point on it.

[autorank]

44. Each to his own...

...;)

[FrenchieCat]

48. I ain't gonna tell anyone, Autorank.....cause they wouldn't believe me.....

even if I did! LOL!

[vssmith]

33. To qualify as a champion of the poor

a candidate has to live in a dilapidated hovel with weeds growing up around at least 3 old wrecked cars. Or maybe someone can show a picture of the estate FDR called home.

[Cameron27]

45. I've stayed away from the house threads,

but after thinking about it, it's pretty clear that Edward's has no problem using the house/home theme whenever it suits his purpose. He didn't have any qualms about using his childhood, little pink house, during the 2004 campaign, he even featured it in a TV commercial. There were quips that he hoped it would become for him what the log cabin was for Abe Lincoln. John Mellencamp even played "Pink Houses" during at least one stump speech.

Now Elizabeth is pushing the green meme for this new house in her blog, and Edward's comes out with a new book, ""Home: The Blueprints of Our Lives."

It seems that the Edwards' themselves are putting houses in the spotlight.

[Dinger]

34. Thanks Frenchie!

That's a pretty nice house for $365K! I think I've seen this posted back in the 2004 election. I remember the Kucinich hometoo - modest is an understatement. In fact, I wonder if that house was really his???

[Adelante]

36. I'm sure the house was DK's

Why would the Boston Globe publish the picture of a house that wasn't? I don't know if he still lives in it or not, but it was his house in 2004.

[Clark2008]

47. I was close!

I said his house was about $3,600 square feet in another thread. I was about 400 feet off. Not bad for seeing it only once.

I did think it was more gray - but I must have been remembering the trim; however, I did remember it was brick.... like my 1940s house.

[IronLionZion]

49. There's really only one house I want a Democrat to occupy.

[AtomicKitten]

50. nice digs

I frankly do not get the obsession with houses; just raw meat for the wingnuts.

[FrenchieCat]

51. Maybe there is a certain Irony, which might explain the importance

of something that shouldn't be such an issue. There was a big book tour on this just a couple of months ago.....and so to some extent the subject matter has been used by John Edwards himself and to his benefit.....




but besides that, I believe that you are correct.

In reference to why I started this thread.....someone in one of those House threads had made mention that they were certain that Clark must also have a giant house and so I figured I'd check and let it be known....so that I wouldn't have to read such a statement again.

[AtomicKitten]

53. nothing wrong

with putting your cards on the table for future reference - it's efficient multitasking!

[roseBudd]

57. That is a nice house but Wes is not feelthy rich, just a regular guy, a man's man...

that would sweep the south.

[IndianaGreen]

58. I didn't know DU had become a real estate listing

with all the homes of anyone suspected of wanting to run for President.

I understand the point that the OP is trying to make, and I hope I am not alone in saying that making an issue of a person's home is almost as silly as making an issue of one's pets, or lack thereof.

[FrenchieCat]

59. It's somewhat relative.....

but considering that I, by large, stayed out of those threads except for a couple and only to state that there were more important life or death issues to consider as opposed to a house.....

But again, someone attempted to justify Edwards house by stating that Clark must have a big house too. As you know, I'm into rebuttals....and so there it is! :)

[Cameron27]

63. I absolutely agree.

I'd rather that all the house threads had been discussions about Edwards' foreign policy statements or poverty issues.

I think it's one of those flash moments on DU that gets everyone agitated one way or another and then tends to die down quickly, I hope so anyway.

I have to admit that the environmental aspect was interesting, and even though I didn't participate, I actually learned quite a bit just by reading, which has to be a good thing.