NY Post: Hill's 'Evil' Joke on Hubby Bubba

[Khaotic]

The New York Post actually ran with this and of course Drudge has it in their headlines.

The article is here: http://www.nypost.com/seven/01292007/news/nationalnews/hills_evil_joke_on_hubby_bubba_nationalnews_ian_bishop______post_correspondent.htm

Folks, I was there, and she wasn't talking about Bill Clinton.

The laughter was there because it was a 'take your pick' kind of thought.

Has Hillary had experience in dealing with evil and bad men?

She's a female in a man's world. That was the vibe from other questions.

The 'evil and bad men' could be any male politician, administrative appointee, or the commander and chief himself.

She deals with harrassment from the GOP and conservative talk show hosts on a daily basis, most of them men.

The laughter was because depending on a person's definition of an evil or bad man, she would claim direct experience with dealing with them on a daily basis in the halls of congress, in media conferences, etc.

The laughter was also because everyone, but the media, got the joke. The Democrats got the joke and knew it was something to laugh about, not to take seriously and make up a real list of men she would consider evil or bad.

The lingo of labelling people evildoers is a label Evangelicals use and one that's used as a tool to devide.
That's not what Hillary Clinton wants to do.

It's not the job of government to label people as evil or good. The government doesn't do the Lord's work. Our representatives are there to represent the people, not to try to confer with God and to bring religion into government.

As soon as the 'evil' label was brought into the discussion Hillary was put off. She's not Bush and I doubt she wants to speak using the same labels.

If she was directly asked if Saddam was 'evil' she would more than likely say yes.

Speaking in the terminology of 'evil and bad men' belongs on the pulpit, not on the political stage.

That's really why it was a joke before she even spoke to it. Myself, and the fellow Democrats in the room, were shaking our heads at the gentlemen's comment and Hillary only gave us the opportunity to laugh at him.

It was funny.

Khaotic
Davenport, Iowa

[IndianaGreen]

1. I didn't think she was referring to Big Dog either.

And I am far from being a Hillarista. Drudge is a pig!

[aquart]

2. The NY Post is an unintentional Onion.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Might as well get used to it now.

It's gonna be relentless bstween now & November 2008.

[blm]

4. I heard people in LA were laughing at Kerry's joke, too. So.....I guess I should

think about this....WWHD?

What Would Hillary Do?

What would Hillary do if this were an honest lawmaker who dropped a pronoun and was being attacked heavily by the RW lie machine who distorted his comment and turned it into an attack on the troops?

[oasis]

8. Kerry's quip was about our troops in Iraq. He would have gotten skewered

by the media regardless of any remarks that Hillary made. The WH crafted his flub into a public perception of Kerry being insensitive toward service personel.

It wasn't Hill that set the tone for the shit storm that followed his comments.

The media lies in wait for any Democrat to make a faux pas--Pelosi, Obama, Hillary, Harry Reid, John Edwards or John Kerry.

But then, you know that. Now don'tcha? :shrug:

[blm]

9. The media that was there passed on it because they knew it was a joke.

So, it was the Bush media machine that charged up and MADE it an issue.

And Kerry's 'quip' was NEVER about the troops in Iraq, just as Hillary's 'quip' was NOT about Bill Clinton.

[oasis]

10. His quip was "perceived" to be about the troops in Iraq. Same result. nt

[blm]

11. And so it goes for Hillary's 'quip' and how it is perceived. Same result.

Completely unfair. But, I doubt any Democrats will join with the RW lie machine and use it against her or condemn her for it.

Nope. I doubt they would be so craven and callous after all shes been through with her heartaches. Of course, look what Kerry has been through with his lifelong devotion to the troops, and it didn't seem to matter to those craven and callous enough to validate the lie used against him. Did it?

[oasis]

12. BC's past doesn't carry the same weight in sensitivity that American troops

in Iraq does. The media will have a hard time making hay over an ambiguous comment by Hill.

[blm]

13. Except we all know that WH had to LIE to make it about troops. There was no sensitivity

meter even needed, was there?

And the greater point of ALL of this is that there will be NO Democrat who will seek to embarrass or condemn Hillary over this JUST because the RW lie machine sees an opportunity to attack her.

And THAT is what this is all about, isn't it?

MORAL choices that people make. And what it says about their true characters.

At some point KARMA will kick in.

[karynnj]

22. I would bet that fewer Democratic soldiers would

reject Kerry than Hillary. The fact is he understands them, she doesn't and her husband never had a ggod relationship with them. Had Kerry stayed in, he would have had a lot of Vet events and they would high light his 35 year history of working for them.

[TayTay]

17. I saw that on the news. I twas perceived to be about Bill

That how it came across to me when I first saw it. I thought it was about her husband. That was my honest first impression on it.

As you said, you can't control the first impression. It is what it is. I thought it went over poorly.

[blm]

18. I sympathize for anyone attacked by the RW lie machine. Too bad Hillary doesn't

show the same for her fellow Democrats when they are being attacked by the same RW lie machine.

[karynnj]

19. Hillary's is harder to prove that it was NOT about Bill

Kerry's joke as it was supposed to be told was in the press info. Also, the RW interpretation violates logic.

(students who do badly) (go to Iraq), does not eqaul (everyone in Iraq) (was a student who did badly).

Kerry explained what he intended.

Now Hillary's was more open ended and the more interesting quetion is why did people jump to thinking it was Bill. (if Teresa said it, everyone would think immediately of Rush Limbaugh, Shaife and the other RW lunatics, certainly not John.) Her joke is bad because it reminds people of "that" side of Bill.

[zbdent]

5. She's faced thousands of evil men

and all the RWers try to say is "Oh, your husband Bill?"

[Arkansas Granny]

6. One sentence in the Post article tells why this was made into

such a big deal.

"The flap over her quip overshadowed her slap at President Bush's war policy."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01292007/news/nationalnews/hills_evil_joke_on_hubby_bubba_nationalnews_ian_bishop______post_correspondent.htm

It's just another case of concentrating on something that has no meaning whatsoever in order to take our attention away from the important subjects.

[karynnj]

21. Except her slap at the war policy wasn't any better

She essentially told Bush that he has to clean up the mess before he leaves office.... or I guess he doesn't get dessert.

[LittleClarkie]

7. See how this can happen to anyone

This is why I wished more folks had defended Kerry against the RW smear machine about his "botched joke".

They can do this to anyone at any time.

I stand with Hillary on this one, and I don't even know if I LIKE her.

[blm]

14. I stand with her, too. But here at DU it is a matter of karma that those who joined

in on the unjust attack on Kerry for dropping a pronoun, and who were so certain that misstatements could never be made by the ohsocareful wing of the party, deserve some uncomfortable moments.

[Allyoop]

15. TAke your medicine!

If I remember correctly, Hill didn't do much to defend Kerry. I think I remember her scolding him. Anyone have the facts?

[LittleClarkie]

16. I don't operate that way

I'm not going to punish her for not standing up for Kerry if the same is being done to her. But let it be a karmic boomerang headed in her direction. You ain't perfect either, sis.

[karynnj]

20. She, pretending to an Old fashioned

stern authority figure lectured him that his remarks were "inappropriate". She did this after he explained and after he had appologized. (So, seeing that she refused to consider his wors as intended, all I can say is that at least he is not married to some one thought to have said he was "evil and bad".)