If Dean beats Edwards in Wisconsin, should Edwards drop out?

[Sean Reynolds]

Only fair I guess.

[xultar]

1. 2 words Hell, yeah nt

[ozone_man]

2. Sounds fair to me.

And I like a fair fight, no Osama ad dirty tricks like Kerry pulls. We do need to get down to a one on one, take the gloves off, fight here. Time for some hardball debates, Dean vs. Kerry (assuming he beats Edwards in WI). Seems like we've gone downhill from times of great debates like Lincoln and Douglas.

[killbotfactory]

3. Yes, after he gives Kerry an atomic wedgie.

[Renew Deal]

4. Edwards and Dean should drop out together.

That would be funny. Kerry vs. Kucinich on super Tuesday.

[BL_Zebub]

15. I must agree that would be funny

But since Kerry and Kucinich are the least electable, it would hardly be a good political strategy.

[ShaneGR]

5. No, because Edwards hasn't spent the last week there

And spent millions of dollars. But Edwards will beat Dean anyways.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. zing!

[Guaranteed]

7. LOL....yeah....RIGHT. nt

[dsc]

8. Dean hasn't either

and further more you know that. How do I know you know that? Because you asked me where he was on Saturday and I told you. He was in Vermont watching his child's hockey game. Don't post inaccuracies about Dean.

[Nicholas_J]

16. Very likely

that Clarks vote in Wisonsin will be split between Kerry and Edwards, not Dean. In two out of the latest 3 polls, Clark was in second place in Wisconsin. The military thing is big there.

[ShaneGR]

19. Yeah, I would expect every result for now on to be 1. Kerry 2. Edwards

Y'all better put us on the ticket!!! :-)

[dsc]

22. am I ever going to get a correction or at least an acknowledgment

of your utterly inaccurate post? Or don't facts matter?

[ShaneGR]

23. I have no idea what you're talking about

So no.

[dsc]

31. You claimed, inaccurately, that Dean has spent the whole week in Wisconsin

I know you know it is wrong, because on Saturday you posted a thread asking where Dean was, I told you he was in Vermont watching hockey. He also was in Maine on Sunday (I don't know if you knew that or not). But you were wrong and I pointed it out in this thread directly below your wrong post.

[AP]

36. How many Days since MI etc has Dean spent in WI?

[ShaneGR]

42. ummm, ok....

Dean has been in Wisconsin campaigning all-week except for 2 trips to see a hockey game and go to an event in Maine.

Happy?

[HFishbine]

52. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense

the supporters of an anti-war, anti Patriot Act, Washington outsider going to pro-war, pro-Patriot Act Washington insiders. Yep. Makes sense to me.

[HereSince1628]

47. The military is a big thing to whom here in Wisconsin?

I'd like to learn something completely novel about my state.

[BL_Zebub]

21. Why should Edwards beat Dean?

Seriously, what does Edwards bring to this contest?

Sure, he's got an inspiring speech about being a mill worker's son. And a great ideal about "one America". But those are just words. What does he have to back it up? 2/3 of a Senate term, much of which was spent voting for some really hideous things on the Bush agenda.

Don't get me wrong, I don't detest Edwards like I do some er.. other candidates. I just think he lacks the experience to be the best candidate for right now. Dean backs up his plans, because he has experience doing so as a governor. Someone with experience in the executive branch is immediately better prepared for the office (unless you're a total imbecile like Bush Jr)

A Vice President, on the other hand, is someone who has to work with the Senate regularly, so Edwards as a VP might be a great possibility. But NOT with Kerry. Two senators on one ticket will never fly.

[Foehammer]

29. This Wisconsin Guy

Likes Dems that will change the beltway politics.... so If I dont have a Clark that leaves me a Dean. Edwards please.

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

9. No, but Dean should drop out if he doesn't win Wisconsin

[mmonk]

10. No

always the candidate's choice.

[IndianaGreen]

11. Edwards is leading blocker for Kerry, in hopes of becoming VP

Edwards and Kerry are alike as far as the Iraq war, PATRIOT, and gay marriages.

[disenfranchised]

13. They're not alike on gay marriages.

Edwards opposes the constitutional amendment that defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

[Edge]

12. Edwards isn't going to lose to Dean in Wisconsin...

he's ahead of him in all the polls in Cheeseville, USA.

[disenfranchised]

14. Do you have to depress me like this?

I'm totally excited to see Edwards in Los Angeles on Thursday. Please, don't make me think about this. I know there are some vocal, idiotic Edwards supporters on here, but have a heart for the rest of us.

[AP]

18. Who are you talking about?

[Zomby Woof]

17. no

Edwards has actually won a primary, whereas Dean has not. Not fair at all to call for Edwards to quit.

[dsc]

24. We won in DC

and that should count.

[Zomby Woof]

25. wasn't that non-binding?

n/t

[dsc]

32. did your post say binding?

I don't think it did.

[HFishbine]

53. Dean has more delegates than Edwards (nt)

[RafterMan]

20. Hehe

Those Edwards supporters have been a little chippy tonight, haven't they? You'd think their guy had won both states by 15 points.

And yes, I think he should drop out if he doesn't win WI.

[CalebHayes]

26. Then Dean should drop out now... Edwards is kicking his a**

[Sean Reynolds]

27. Go check the delegate count.

I believe Dean still leads. So, who is kickin' ass now?

[Edge]

Edwards is beating Dean in Wisconsin..

according to the polls there.

So, who is kickin' ass now?

[Sean Reynolds]

33. Since when did polls decide who's won?

You're funny.

[Edge]

34. Who's got a better chance of becoming President?

That's harsh...

[Sean Reynolds]

41. Kerry?

Cause has Edwards done well at all in northern states? Oh, besides Iowa.

You're funny.

[AP]

35. Every time.

An election is just a poll on election day.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

50. *cough*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=113055#113069

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

51. LOL!

You must have a good memory!

[nene]

55. Can I just point out...

I'm new here, so I hope I'm not stepping in where I shouldn't. I just wanted to point out that while Dean is still leading Edwards in total delegate count, if you take out the super delegate factor, then Edwards leads Dean in assigned delegates. My point, I just don't have a huge amount of faith in delegates that can, and in the past have proven that they will, change their minds. That's just something I thought perhaps we should all keep in mind.

[goodhue]

57. welcome to DU

and of course your right
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/

[Mass_Liberal]

43. go scurry off

back that up with facts. And....come back.

[goodhue]

56. fairly easy to substantiate that Edwards has more delegates than Dean

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/D.phtml

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/

[dawn]

28. No.

But I'm biased. :)

It's a fair question, though.

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[chocolateeater]

37. No. The longer we keep this race going the better.

We need all our voices out there talking about how naked the emperor is. And having the race go on makes the Media pay attention to our message.
That being said the only people who should make this decision are Edwards and his supporters. The steady drumbeat for Dean to get out of the race drives me crazy, but the way to fight it is to keep our eyes on the prize. We should not treat others in ways we don't like to be treated.

[genius]

38. Edwards has a win. Dean has none. Dean is hoping to place in

Wisconsin. Kerry's going to take the state. Edwards has a win and enough 2nd places that he doesn't need to worry where he winds up in Wisconsin.

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

39. How about Dean/Edwards pres/vp deal?

...and take the whole damn thing? including the dnc.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

40. Dean won DC

unless you're excluding a segment of the population

[Mass_Liberal]

No

Edwards should not drop out. That would be dumb. Neither should Dean. They should both see how they do on Super Tuesday.

[Mass_Liberal]

44. damn

repeat, sorry.

[candy331]

45. Take this fight outside and settle it

The real fight will be keeping the voters fired up to go to the polls in November. I hope that strategy has already been worked out because if not there will be tears on many pillows. I wouldn't become complacent thinking because record numbers are voting in the primaries that this will automatically be the case in November. Record numbers of Blacks came out in 2000 but you may well remember they stayed home in 2002 and as yet I have not heard their voices nor seen them engaged to a large degree in this election. Who can cheer them on and get them out to vote? I believe they supported AL gore in large measure because of Clinton but It sure would be good to have feelers from a larger segment of them on a Kerry nominee. They dislike Bush but I don't think they can just be put in the ABB category arbitrarily and they do make a sizable number of voters in the Democratic party.

[bigfishsmallpond]

46. Edwards will drop out when he thinks

it is most opportunistic to secure the VP slot.

[AP]

48. He wouldn't have run, if that's what he wanted. He was short listed in '00

without even finishing two years of his first term.

And primary losers are RARELY selected as VPs.

If he wanted to be VP, he wouldn't have run.

[Shanty Oilish]

49. Please! No more dropouts!

I don't presume to know how Clark's departure changes the dynamics, but it seems likely that Kucinich might finally get the attention he deserves, and Edwards might get a second shot of mo, and Dean might rise from the dead and win one. Sharpton, who does not impress this former New Yorker, has a message that the party ought not ignore, and as he says, if his run inspires just one...(it does, every day).

In horse racing terms, the way ahead has just opened up for someone, if they are in the lucky position and have the strength to take it.

[joshcryer]

54. Yes, he should obviously drop out.

:)