Clark Supporters, Join Us Now

[liberalmike27]

Both the Dean movement and the following Clark movement was a grass roots effort, and basically an Internet funded thing. We were talking earlier how much a Dean/Clark ticket would work, Dean for governance, and Clark for security.

Surely it didn't pass your notice that when Clark was touring the shows before he entered in the race, how similar his positions were to Dean's. Many of the things he said about the war, were verbatum.

Join us now, don't wait. We want you, we need you, pleeeeese baby, give it to us. (okay, I'll beg, we feel very strongly about our guy, and I personally have been writing over ten letters a day)

http://DeanForAmerica.com/
or http://dean2004.meetup.com/
and join our movement. No time for waiting, time is a wasting. At least refamiliarize yourself with Dean's positions.

Heck, we've even got the similar experience of the media disrespecting us. We both know deep-down that the reason is the media totally represents huge corporations. As posted earlier today, some of the executives are now raising money for Kerry, even one of Rupert Murdoch's COO's at News Corporation. It fits right in with both Clark and Dean's media trashing, it fits a pattern, it almost makes those who dismiss media bias look ridiculous.

Join us!!

[WilliamPitt]

1. That didn't take long

:)

[arewethereyet]

35. And I thought "ambulance chasers" were the only ones who did that

Clark folks have ample time to sort all this out and figure out what the right next step is for them.

[slinkerwink]

2. DO NOT DO THOSE JOIN DEAN THREADS NOW!!!!

Let the Clark supporters appropriately deal with the rumored withdrawal of their candidate from the race. Your "Join Dean" thread won't HELP anyone!

[Patriarch]

5. Thanks slinkerwink

:)

[One Taste]

8. Spot on

[Bucky]

10. Nah, it's okay to ask. We're family so you don't have to pull punches

It's only my heart that's broken, Slink. I don't mind being flattered a little by anybody.

[Quixote1818]

11. I think Clark will endorse Kerry tomorrow and if he does I will listen to

Clark. Clark is not going to attack the guy who will likely win the nomination. That would be stupid. If Clark wants to be VP or Sec. State he will get endorse Kerry as soon as possible. Sorry Dean friends. I liked Dean a lot but I want Clark to be a big part of Kerry's administration. That's much more important to me.

[Democrats unite]

22. I can't see Clark endorsing Kerry

With all the Faith I have in Wesley Clark that would sgatter it for me.

[Nicholas_J]

I can

Kerry would easily offer Clark Secretary of Defense and let him clean house of all of those folks who forced retirement on him

[Southern Victory]

42. I hate to say this.

It has to be said somewhere. And this is no disrespect to Clark's people who wanted a better alternative than the shrub... but Wesley Clark was not a well liked Commander. I graduated Texas A&M University and was a member of the Corps of Cadets, I knew a number of people who served under Wes Clark in NATO and out. He was a screamer, he didn't treat families well and was aloof. He almost started a war with the Russians when they put troops on the ground in Yugo by ordering French and British paratroopers to drop on the airfield the Ruskis took before thinking better (actually being talked out of it by his subordinates). He may have stood up for good ideals but don't confuse his rank with being a good commander. If he had been more military personel (especially those also retired by a right wing defense department) would have supported him. Keep that in mind too. Consider all the facts and above all be honest about it.

[Qutzupalotl]

47. Maybe the majority of military personnel

are supporting Bush and didn't want to see the national security issue stolen from the right.

Clark was tough but firm to his subordinates. He demands the same high standards from them that he demands of himself. If someone's on the receiving end of the screaming, maybe he should look at his own actions to see if they warrant it.

Maybe you really do get to be Supreme Allied Commander of NATO by being a good commander.

[KnucklesBuchanan]

53. Sorry dude...

but I know far more people that have served under him that say the complete opposite of this flame post here. Could it be *gasp* that people have differing opinions? Holy crap, how DOES that happen?

[Bucky]

59. Welcome to DU, Knuckles

I've had the same experience. I met LOTS of vets thru the Clark campaign, most of them new Democrats b/c of Wes. They all talked about him as the best general they'd ever served under. He was a realignment waiting to happen. When Clark lost last night, George Bush dodged a bullet.

[texasmom]

61. I hope he doesn't endorse anyone.

I'd like for him to let it play out as it is--without him getting involved in the endorsement game.

[Carolina]

45. not yet

Clark saw what this endorsement/jump-on-the-bandwagon business did to shut him and his message out. He may leave the race tomorrow but I doubt he'll endorse Kerry or anyone just yet if only because many of his supporters, including drafters like me, left Kerry for him after October 2002. It would be a slap in the face to direct them to Kerry so soon.

Moreover, Wes Jr also coaxed him into this race and is none to pleased with the shabby treatment his Dad received. In fact, tonight he had a "'Fuck 'em all look on his face." I think he'll encourage Dad to get some R&R back home in Little Rock followed by a visit to CA to enjoy that brand new grandson.

Wes was new to politics and will likely go on a hiatus 'til the convention. And good for him, he answered the call to duty from the people. We love him for it and we are not about to jump into aye, aye (IWR) Kerry's arms.

[pezcore64]

12. yeah

i totally agree with that.
im sure clark supporters know they are very much welcome to join us if they would like to!
i think they do have things in common tho ;)

i was so looking forward to a dean/clark clark/dean ticket :(

[Mobius]

13. A little early buddy

dont be a jerk

[ShadowCabinet]

15. I think it's gone beyond the rumor phase.

Tweety is reporting as of 11:30 PM that MSNBC confirmed with sources in the Clark campaign that after consulting with his wife and son, Gen. Clark is withdrawing from the race. Supposedly the campaign is broke.

To all our Clark supporter friends, my heartfelt sympathies. The General is fine man and would have made an outstanding President. He was my number 2 choice. Make your own choice who would be the best candidate to carry on the the General's message.

[BeyondGeography]

23. Thanks from this corner, too, Slink

eom

[revo2004]

25. I agree / I'm sorry someone posted this now / eom

[knight_of_the_star]

27. Thanks slinkerwink

Some people have been so shameless tonight.

[REP]

28. I Agree

I know that if it were my candidate who just withdrew, I sure wouldn't feel like having my support courted right away.

Clark supporters, your candidate is a good man and it truly sucks that he wasn't given more coverage. I never could think of a bad thing to say about him before, and I can't think of one now.

[BurtWorm]

29. You're a mensch, Slink!

My sentiments exactly! Dean people should know what it's like to have buzzards circling.

I hope the Clark people do what Dean people are talking about doing, which is sticking together as a bloc. What would these two energized, motivated blocs do for the reformation of a Democratic Party that sorely needs reformation?

[Tweed]

32. Slinkerman rules!

[kayleybeth]

50. I never thought I'd say this but..

thank you, slinkerwink. That was class :-)

[NashVegas]

60. Better Yet - How About We Don't Do "Join Dean" threads at all

And let people come to their own conclusion.

[Bonobo]

3. Sounds like Darth Vader talking to Luke...

I am your father. Join me!

[Red_Storm]

4. LOL !!!

[Mass_Liberal]

66. HEY!!

We're not the dark side :-) . I agree that in the interest of tact this thread could have waited a few days.

[Mass_Liberal]

67. HEY!!

We're not the dark side :-) . I agree that in the interest of tact this thread could have waited a few days.

[Bucky]

6. in the words of Alan Jackson

Don’t rock the jukebox
I wanna hear some Jones
Cause my heart ain’t ready
For the Rolling Stones
I don’t feel like rocking
Since my baby's gone
So don’t rock the jukebox
Play me a country song

[liberalmike27]

18. The Door

Just saying the door is open, and the welcome mat is out for you guys, when you adjust.
I didn't mean to be unsympathetic, but as you see, time is short. The anti-Kerry movement is afoot.
I already have my contingency plan if Dean gets out, but we do have money still rolling in, from small sources.
I know I couldn't afford it, but I charged $50 on my credit card to go to Dean. I've heard many similar stories.
We've taken more than our share of Kerry's corporate, skull and crossbones media grief, we do feel the same pain.
Take your time, grieve, but don't wait too long. It can slip away in an instant, and time is very short.

[EXE619K]

7. Do not join the Dean campaign!

Because, pretty soon, we'll join you on the sidelines.

That's just my guess anyways...

[Bucky]

19. You got some nerve for saying that

And I totally respect your honesty. But we won't be on the sidelines, either of us. We're just switching quarterbacks, that's all.

[Mass_Liberal]

68. doh!!

That's smart. We will be on the sidelines if you alienate potential voters.

[VolcanoJen]

9. liberalmike... Why Dean and not Edwards?

I'm a former Clarkie, who hasn't had the privilege of voting for a nominee yet :mad: willing to throw my support behind Edwards or Dean.

Talk me into Dean over Edwards, this late in the game.

Thanks in advance,
Jennifer

[liberalmike27]

21. Well

There was the war issue, Dean and Clark could almost totally coincide on that one. When he was on the shows before he got in, I liked what he was saying. Hey, I'll admit, I had questions about what Clark would have done. Edwards, like Kerry voted for the war. But I'll admit, Edwards was my defection choice.

I could give you the talking points, but you can get them by clicking the link above, and checking out his web site. He's actually balanced his budget, we desperately need that. This 7 trillion dollar deficit is part of what is keeping our job market down, all the investment money is tied into financing the US government debt. Of course, fighting unjust wars is extremely expensive, as is being the policemen to the world.

I like the fact he recognizes that $5.15 is a ridiculously low minimum wage. I've been unfortunate enough to have several of these jobs, and I can tell you, it is a nightmare. More will have these jobs in the future, and watching the bottom level wage is important,as it is the foundation that holds up all other wages.

I like the fact he is honest. You just won't hear him trying to mentally glad-hand you, and tell you he can give you everything, balance the budget, and still you can have your tax cuts. I find the honesty exhilarating.

I like his realization that the gun-issue is a loser. He has a great NRA rating with his state, and wants to leave it to the states. Takes away a wedge issue from Bush.

Check out the site, I've pecked out thousands of words today, I'm kind of tired. All I can say is, they were very similar in position, I'm not mad at Clark, but his entry did sap some votes from Dean, no doubt, and has been one factor. He has the right to run though, and I know that.

One funny, and inexplicable fact: When he entered, he also took votes, perhaps the most, from Lieberman. I could never figure that one out, as their positions were nothing alike. But we are seeing more and more that it would seem Democrats don't really give a rat's booty about the positions.

[VolcanoJen]

49. Excellent analysis!!!!

Well, I have but one (seemingly meaningless, THANKS TERRY MCAULLIFE)) vote to spend on March 2nd, and I'll have one helluva time voting for someone who supported IWR.

Edwards, however, is talking about J-O-B-S, and that plays well to my midwestern heart. He's easier for me to stomach over Kerry, despite the IWR Vote. And I have to tell you, and all Dean supporters, that my preference would be to vote for someone who is still viable on Super Tuesday.

I'm incredibly saddened by the Dean plunge. The guy who fired us up and taught us how to fight again is being thrown out like yesterday's bathwater. :-( And here I am, a firmly anti-war voter, stuck with a choice between, seemingly, two sitting Senators who each voted for IWR.

:mad: :grr: :mad:

If Dean's still in it on March 2nd, he might just win me over. I need to hear a bit more, though. Help me, further, if you could. Specifically about the war, if possible...

Thanks to you all,
Jennifer

[Leilani]

52. I would never support John Edwards

He's just not qualified for the job.

In the last debate he had trouble with questions about DOM act, & couldn't handle the question about Islam.

Also, Edwards is still quite positive about the IWR vote, & thinks it was the right thing to do. So I don't know how you can support him if you are anti-war.

Lastly, I have never, ever heard him discuss foreign policy. We might care about domestic issues, but considering the world we live in, the candidate must have a firm grasp of foreign policy.

[liberalmike27]

62. Dean Was Against Iraq War

Dean rose to prominance on the Iraq War.

Really, it's all on
http://DeanForAmerica.com

This is a great web site, full of grass roots tools.

Join us! We were all talking about how great Clark would have been as VP, before he entered, since he was making the rounds, and saying "exactly" the same thing as Dean. It could still happen, and you have five candidates to choose from.

I see a lot of "media choosing Jan's vote" going on here. There is nothing about this race that upsets me more than Democratic voters who seem to think they have to vote for the giant corporate media's selections!! Voting for those reasons probably feels like cheating on a test. You may get the grade, but you don't get the good feeling.

[pezcore64]

24. well

i am a Dean supporter who had been thinking about other people in the last week because of the turn of events in deans campaign. at first i thought edwards would be the guy too, until i found out he was happy he voted yes to the iraq war and would do it again if put in the position again. I just dont like that much. *shrugs*. I guess it just depends on what issues mean the most to ya. I had decided to go Clark if dean had dropped, but now that clark has dropped I dont know what ill do if dean goes out!

oh well
best of luck on your decision
hope you find the right guy to fill some pretty big shoes left by the Gen.


GO dean!

[Skip Intro]

26. Edwards still tries to justify the Iraq invasion. n/t

[Maddy McCall]

14. Uh, sorry...

This Clark supporter never even thought about transferring support to Dean. Nice try though. :eyes:

[JPJones]

16. I think most Clark supporters remember...

the "He's a Republican" quote. In case we forgot, he repeated it not too long ago.

I was happy for the cease fire after both candidates imploded, I appreciate Slinkerwink's kindness over the last month, but you've got to be realistic here.

[mmonk]

17. many of us know

but just give us a little space for digesting everything.

[JVS]

20. Give them time.

[copithorne]

34. I'll wait and see how things are on March 2

When I'll vote in the California Primary.

I know Dean is the other candidate who speaks the truth and that will mean a lot to me. I think Kerry is not a strong candidate, but I'll back him all the way if it comes to it.

[JVS]

39. Take your time to think. Tonight is not a night for decision making.

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[Donkey007]

31. Truly Over Dramatic Comment

It's like my dog dying and my husband walking in with a new that I am supposed to automatically love. This is just not for me!!!

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[nomaco-10]

36. As a Dean supporter, I'd like to apologize.....

for the opportunistic and premature invitation to join the Dean campaign by someone that is clearly over zealous and not thinking clearly at the moment.
Get mad, get drunk, shed a few tears and wait for your candidate to tell you what he'd like to see happen.
I really am sorry for your disappointment. If the fact be told, the general was one of the few candidates running I had any respect and affection for.

[JVS]

40. hear hear!

[liberalmike27]

63. Hey, I Care a Lot

Clearly, there isn't much time to recover, there is much work to be done. I don't know why someone is bothering to respond if they don't want to discuss it.

The best thing to do to recover from this, is jump on another campaign. I know I have my own contingency plans, and I'll support anyone but Kerry. Know why? He's the corporate choice, and corporate interests are directly the opposite of the peoples'.

I can't apologize for really caring a lot, that's just the way I am. See, I feel an impending defection by many, many Dean, possibly Clark supporters to the Green Party, or worse yet, eventual apathy if Kerry gets the nod. Many Democratic voters apparently didn't get the 2000 message. Voting for the corporate choice, just means they have more ammunition on Kerry, that they will pull out and start using if he gets the nomination. King George won't even need that huge campaign chest.

[Sushi-Lover]

37. Good lord

I'm as Dean supporting as the next gal, but why must people insist upon 'asking the widow out at the funeral'. I'm pretty convinced that most of these posts are designed to have the opposite result from the one they purport. Either that or people are just hopelessly tactless.

[liberalmike27]

64. Hmmm

Over dramatic metaphor, perhaps. The husband has been terminally ill for some time.

[Uzybone]

38. How soon they forget

Clark is a republican - Howard Dean

[nomaco-10]

43. Gee, why am I not surprised that a

Kerry supporter would take this opportunity to jump right in and get in a shot at Dean. Why can't you guys just relax and let the Clark people be upset and the Dean people continue to squirm. Take a night off and enjoy your lead. You're in the catbird seat, for the time being that is, enjoy it while it lasts.

[Leilani]

54. Sorry, but Kerry Campaign said same

Kerry sent out all the negative flyers in New Hampshire, Jean Shaheen held a press conference & called Clark a republican.

Kerry dissed Clark about lobbying & actually ran the most negative stuff against him, while he remained positive in Iowa.

It was all the early negativity towards Clark in NH that really hurt. Also Joe Lieberman was mean.

I remember it all, & I'll take my time as far as the future goes.

[liberalmike27]

65. Can't think,

Can't think, must obey media, where is that bandwagon?

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

41. Besides being tacky, it's a bad choice

Dean is a sinking ship

[John_H]

44. Ok, I'll think about it.. OK, I'm Done. No, thank you.

[Dookus]

46. lol...

good 'un.

[kayleybeth]

48. Thanks but no thanks

and this kind of thread at this particular juncture is NOT helping your candidate.

[hellhathnofury]

51. None of the longtime Dean people are with this post.

I hope you'll accept my apology for my alleged fellow Dean person.

We know what its like.

Sorry.

[KnucklesBuchanan]

55. I'm taking a vacation.

I worked my ass off for Clark, and need to slow down and spend some time with my family. I'm heading up to Canada next week for some overdue R&R. It might be appropriate to ask for help at that point. But truth be known, I think Kerry is the best remaining candidate. Nothing against Dean, on the contrary. I think he has saved the Democrats from themselves, and I'll appreciate that forever.

[Nashyra]

56. I need some time off also

but I will work the phones for the Dean people for WI and I will caucus for Dean in Nevada on the 14th. Thanks for the invite. I will do anything except support the Edwards camp. I have to support kerry if he is the nominee but Thank you I will start working for Dean. We need real change and if I sit idle I will just break and cry. I feel so fortunate in having been able to meet Wesley Clark, Gert, and Wes Jr. What a wonderful American treasure and to think we could have had that man as our President. No wonder the US is in the condition it is in today. We are followers not leaders and that is why * is in the WH today and why I fear that is where he will remain. I know for a fact that the Dem movement where I live is dead in the water, the only alternative to voting for * was some one like Clark. I need to go to bed. Thanks it been a great ride and my life is better for it. Thank you General Clark!!!!!

[genius]

57. Dean's the furthest from Clark.

Clark has a better approach to most issues than Dean. Kucinich, Kerry and Edwards would all be better choices.

[Piperay]

58. Not sure who I will choose now

I was for Edwards before Clark entered the race. I don't know who will be left by the time CA primary comes along. :shrug: :-(

[jmaier]

69. I vote for the man not the movement

While I like Gov Dean, I'm not convinced that he is head and shoulders above the other candidates so I'll just abstain during my primary (IL) and actively support the final nominee following the convention.