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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:11 PM Original message |
*Global Warming* -- Science or Political Hype? |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Does it matter what is causing it? It still needs to be stopped. nt. |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. If it is natural, it cannot be stopped ... n/t |
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AnOhioan
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. From my understanding.... |
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Blue Fire
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. But I still refuse to believe that we humans can dump tons of CO2 |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. That is not necessarily true. Humans are learning how to control many aspects |
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Blue Fire
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
52. What about everybody in 'Tornado Alley'? |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. The OP said that nature = unstoppable. I provided a counter-example. |
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Blue Fire
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Natural global warming very likely is unstoppable. |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. That may be the case. |
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Solon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. The Magnetosphere of the Earth protects our atmosphere from being... |
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. not true - we could stop it either way. |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. I think we are being ignored. Hey harveyc, why does natural = unable to stop? nt. |
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BoneDaddy
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Of course there |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Not true ... |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The theory never had strong scientific support |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Which scientists? Name them. Give me peer-reviewed articles, dates, publications. |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Come now...we've entered the "No-Fact Zone" of Freepthinkland. nt. |
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donco6
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. I definitely smell fresh TOMBSTONE. |
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FormerDittoHead
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
75. YUP, me too. Still, it doesn't hurt to learn a little more. |
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FormerDittoHead
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
137. YOU WERE RIGHT - but not this thread yet. Search for his msgs. Catalog of talking points... |
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Igel
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. It made the cover of |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. the media has long been the bane of science... |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Still waiting for your extensive list of peer-reviewed scientific articles |
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BoneDaddy
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. They were wrong and were only looking at a small part of the larger global warming picture |
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The Velveteen Ocelot
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. There have been something like 900 peer-reviewed papers |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. GISS / NOAA are loons? They made up the Pliocene warming period? ... n/t |
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The Velveteen Ocelot
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You miss my point. And my sarcasm. |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. How can you say that ... |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. GISS / NOAA says Pliocene warming was probably caused by... |
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Telly Savalas
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. But can you offer solid proof that the authors of these 900 papers |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
51. For all we know, they were touched by His Noodly Appendage |
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mucifer
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. Are you watching the Waxman investigations on the censorship of |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
15. Since you can't be bothered to read the NASA division you cite . . . |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like a cat that just got tossed a mouse |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. shhhh! |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. So what? The Pliocene period was still warmer, a lot warmer ... n/t |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. What Caused the Middle Pliocene Warming? |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Funny thing, but the timeline shows a general cooling trend from the Paleocene to the Pleistocene |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. Your rebuttal is still worse than awful... n/t |
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Rude Horner
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. Have you watched "An Inconvenient Truth"? |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. It is still way cooler than the Pliocene period ... n/t |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Its still a worse than awful rebuttal... n/t |
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Rude Horner
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. I don't give a flying fuck about the Pliocene period |
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Solon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. So? What is your point? |
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Rude Horner
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
71. That didn't answer my question. |
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NYCGirl
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
23. The SAME STUDY also says this: |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. It was still a lot warmer during the Pliocene period ... n/t |
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NYCGirl
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Read this: |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. duh. |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Worse than awful rebuttal n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. Holocaust- history or jewish conspiracy? |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. ... |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Basketballs - spherical or cubic? |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
35. what the cock is this? |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Pfft! |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. I try |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
43. I know U-M isn't any MIT but ... *rolleyes* ... |
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tandot
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Thanks for the great link, harveyc. Here is what the last paragraph says: |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. good lord... read to the end paragraph... |
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Ninja Jordan
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
46. I question the OP's motives. From "democrat party" to this?? |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
49. Pssst!! Harvey!! FYI, it is nearly all a product of human activity - here's how we know |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
50. Interesting that no one here can answer a simple question ... |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Basely statements? |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. and you might want to read the U-M article also about CO2 from fossil fuels ... n/t |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. You haven't answered my simple questions yet . . . |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Answer mine first .. n/t |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Nuh-UH! Make me! |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Hey Harvey! Pop quiz time! I have some simple questions! |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Plus there have been cooling periods when CO2 has gone up ... |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You're missing out on your chance for pop quiz extra-credit points! |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #63 |
95. My classes always did quite well ... thanks ... n/t |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Yes, the snowball earth period was likely one of them |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. How bout you just stick your head in the sand a take a nap |
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Hosnon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. I admit I didn't answer your question because I think it is irrelevant. nt. |
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Rude Horner
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. That is really stupid logic, I must say |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Hypothetical ... |
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Rude Horner
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Don't you know anything? |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. wait... |
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Solon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. Your question is a good one... |
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Zodiak
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #50 |
92. harvey, that is terrible logic |
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Solon
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Its not Global Warming till we reach tempuratures that equal those when Theia collided with Earth! |
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Wed Jan-31-07 04:15 AM Response to Reply #50 |
125. I always suspected you were one of those .... |
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snowbear
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Wed Jan-31-07 04:40 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Oh yes --- harveyc is "one of those" |
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goodhue
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
69. absurd dilemma |
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zulchzulu
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
70. The term "global warming" is somewhat inaccurate...it's "global climate disturbance" |
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Solon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Rapid Global climate change... |
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zulchzulu
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Rapid indeed... |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Time Magazine -- 1974 |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
96. Media reports of the "Ice Age" have already been debunked upthread... |
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Solon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. The OP also forgot the delay that is inherent in Climate change... |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. One 100 km^3 volcano will put more pollutants in the atmosphere than ... |
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Solon
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Define "Pollutants"... |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Read the M-U findings ... same as CO2 generated from fossil fuels ... n/t |
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Solon
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. So the Earth is supposed to be cooling? |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:13 AM Response to Reply #97 |
109. Maybe ... |
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Solon
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:21 AM Response to Reply #109 |
123. First, you are forgetting that we haven't stopped warming yet... |
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hatrack
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
80. Well, Harvey, you missed out on your chance for extra-credit points! |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Haha ... at Earth Science 101 ... try again ... n/t |
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Rude Horner
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. I second the nomination |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. There was no ice mass to break off ... |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. now, now dear hatrack, |
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harveyc
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Tue Jan-30-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Understanding of basic science? Haha ... try again ... n/t |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
98. Sounds like you haven't a clue, like ... |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders
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Wed Jan-31-07 05:17 AM Response to Reply #80 |
129. Completely unfair to Harvey |
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
99. Global warming is IMPOSSIBLE to STOP if |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Nor SUV's, a voice of reason in the wilderness ... n/t |
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
101. YOUR PREMISE IS WRONG. Turn off Rush Limbaugh and get your facts straight. |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. You mean the same people who said ... |
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belpejic
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Oh brother |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. The global "lower troposphere" temperature ... |
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garybeck
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. No, I do not mean the same people. |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. How about ... |
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garybeck
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. you're showing your true colors. again your premise is just wrong. |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. More excuses and more misinformation .... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Your premise is faulty |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. No, your logic is faulty ... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Sorry, the logic works, the premise doesn't. |
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k_jerome
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
112. we affect the earth in much the same way a gnat affects us... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:30 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. True... but... |
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k_jerome
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:33 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. the nature of mankind is to leave such problems for future generations... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Frightfully some people really think like that. |
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k_jerome
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:47 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. the vast majority of people do feel like this.... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. You are greatly mis-underestimating people |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:07 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. People were also told that we would run out ... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:22 AM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Wow, can you just smell all the BS? |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. I read your links, now you can read this source ... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Yeah, BS. The source was already disproven. |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Economics 101 ... |
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Milo_Bloom
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. More BS from you? Sure why not. |
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k_jerome
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:12 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. i am simply following the trend of human beings throughout history... |
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snowbear
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:14 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. They talked about the Bush Administration doctoring scientifical reports on our local news tonight.. |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:18 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Saw it, so what? Doesn't answer the question ... n/t |
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crispini
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Wed Jan-31-07 04:36 AM Response to Original message |
126. This thread is pathetic. |
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snowbear
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Wed Jan-31-07 04:49 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. It is VERY pathetic ... |
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harveyc
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #126 |
131. The planet is undergoing global warming ... |
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ItNerd4life
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Wed Jan-31-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
133. 11th- 13th century was also much warmer than it is now |
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Javaman
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
136. Argggg, why are these posts still allowed... |
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proud patriot
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
138. Locking this thread |
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