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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:36 AM
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GOP on Congress stopping a war: The sickening smell of hypocrisy
Glenn Greenwald has an amazing post up about GOP Congressional statements when they wanted Clinton to pull out of Somalia. Please contrast these statements with those by the current GOP who say that Congress doesn't have the power to force Bush out of Iraq/Iran:


Sen Strom Thurmond (R-SC) - October 5, 1993


It is past time for the Congress to come to grips with this sorry spectacle and force the administration to find a way out of the quagmire--before Somalia becomes the pattern for future United States missions with the United Nations.


Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX), October 7


The President's decision to extend our presence for 6 more months is totally unacceptable to me and totally unacceptable, I believe, to the Congress.

If the people of Texas--who are calling my phones every moment, who are sending me letters and telegrams by the hour--are representative of the will of the American people, the American people do not believe that we should allow Americans to be targets in Somalia for 6 more months. I cannot see anything that we would achieve in 6 more months in Somalia


Sen. Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID), October 5


Mr. President, it is time for our troops to come home. I would give this directive to the military leadership and that is that they are to use whatever means they determine necessary to secure the release of American POW's in Somalia, because to leave them behind would be to issue adeath sentence to those Americans, and that is absolutely unacceptable.

But, Mr. President, the longer we leave United States troops in Somalia under U.N. command, the longer we leave United States troops in unjustified danger. I owe my allegiance to the United States, not to the United Nations. It is time for the Senate of the United States to get on with the debate, to get on with the vote, and to get the American troops home.


Sen. Slade Gorton, October 6,1993 (R-WA)


We are in a disaster, Mr. President. If we had retreated earlier, we would have left fewer dead Americans behind. It is time to retreat now and leave no more dead Americans behind and to learn the lesson that American power should be used only where we have a clear stake in a conflict, a clear goal to be achieved, the clear means to reach that goal, and the potential of clear support on the part of the American people.

As none of those exist in Somalia today, it is time to leave. And for this body, it is time to debate this issue and not the nomination of an Assistant Attorney General.


Sen. Jesse Helms - October 6, 1993 (R-NC)


Mr. President, the United States has no constitutional authority, as I see it, to sacrifice U.S. soldiers to Boutros-Ghali's vision of multilateral peacemaking. Again, I share the view of Senator Byrd that the time to get out is now. We can take care of that criminal warlord over there. We have the means to do it and the capacity to do it. But it ought to be done by the United Nations. I do not want to play in any more U.N. games. I do not want any more of our people under the thumb of any U.N. commander--none.

As a matter of fact, while we are at it, it is high time we reviewed the War Powers Act, which, in the judgment of this Senator, should never have been passed in the first place. The sole constitutional authority to declare war rests, according to our Founding Fathers, right here in the Congress of the United States, and not on Pennsylvania Avenue. I voted against the War Powers Act. If it were to come up again today, I would vote against it. I have never regretted my opposition to it.


Sen. Alan Simpson (R-WY) - October 6


Let me close by saying I am willing to support our President, our Commander in Chief, if we have a policy either for decisive, potent, and powerful military action, without quarter, without reservation--or obviously for us instead to withdraw from Somalia.

What I cannot continue to support is the continuing endangerment of Americans in the service of a policy that remains absolutely mysterious and totally muddled.


Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) - October 4


And, thus, I hope that we, as a Senate, will proceed to discuss the issue of Somalia in the near future, in the immediate future, before any more American lives are lost; and that we shall put into definition and some focus what is our purpose there and, most importantly, how we intend to disengage or, if it is our decision, how we intend to engage pursuant to the laws which we, as a nation, have as a constitutional democracy.



And, for the amazing, hypocrisy Grand Prize of all time, St. John McCain:


Sen. John McCain - October 19,1993

I can tell you what will erode our prestige. I can tell you what will hurt our viability as the world's superpower, and that is if we enmesh ourselves in a drawn-out situation which entails the loss of American lives, more debacles like the one we saw with the failed mission to capture Aideed's lieutenants, using American forces, and that then will be what hurts our prestige.

We suffered a terrible tragedy in Beirut, Mr. President; 240 young marines lost their lives, but we got out. Now is the time for us to get out of Somalia as rapidly and as promptly and as safely as possible.

I, along with many others, will have an amendment that says exactly that. It does not give any date certain. It does not say anything about any other missions that the United States may need or feels it needs to carry out. It will say that we should get out as rapidly and orderly as possible.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:37 AM
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1. No surprise that McCain is the biggest fraud of the bunch. It seems
to be a kind of habit with the guy. One he can't kick.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:43 AM
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2. keep kicking this all day!
someone copy it and send it to Pelosi, Boxer, everyone.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:49 AM
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3. .
Oh damn, these traitors! Why don't they support the troops? Don't they want to win the war?
Don't they see that they are embolding the enemy?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:56 AM
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4. Were it not for hypocrisy, 'pukes would have to rely solely on mendacity,
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 09:56 AM by indepat
disingenuousness, duplicity, sanctimony, reichousness, distortion, and outright prevarication.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:14 AM
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5. Republicans:Hypocrisy::Apple Pie:Ice Cream
There's no principle that they didn't trash when they were in the Congressional majority. As soon as a Democrat takes over the Executive Office in 2009, the Republicans will be clamoring to have the troops out of Iraq immediately, if not sooner.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:29 AM
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6. Had to recommend. That Mccain nugget is an eye opener.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:51 AM
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7. Quotes from GOP About Bosnia War...


Verbatim quotes from when Clinton was committing troops to Bosnia:

"You can support the troops but not the president."
---Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
---Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
---Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

" President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
---Sen Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
---Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain the y have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
---Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
---Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
-Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)
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AbbyR Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:52 AM
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8. Why does this not surprise me?
If Clinton sends troops, he's wrong. If Clinton does something they don't like, impeach him. But Bush - he's god - we shouldn't do a thing. Makes me sick.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:08 AM
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9. Also, remember that Clinton didn't really send troops to Somalia
Bush I did, as a special Christmas present to Clinton in December 1992 (about the same time he pardoned Cap Weinberger and saved his own a** in the Iran-contra investigation). Clinton then retained Colin Powell, Bush's head of the Joint Chiefs, to continue to run Somalia.

But the wingers still blame him for "Black Hawk Down".
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:12 AM
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10. I was right (small r right) - this was right after the 3K times a day
playing the clip of the naked bodies being dragged through the streets ... wall-to-wall coverage ... by "liberal" CNN no less ...
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:14 PM
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11. kick for the afternoon crowd
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:31 PM
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12. kick for the evening crowd
and I'm outta here.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 07:34 PM
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13. I'll take the handover for a while ...
kicking for visibility!

(did I get my sports metaphor right? :rofl: )

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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 11:41 AM
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14. Mornin' kick! n/t
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