Ollie "Traitor" North: Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.

[RamboLiberal]

Got this email from Newsmax - here it comes. We need to go after these bastards with equally dirty crap. I hope some vet bitch slaps Ollie. Your ass should've been in the brig Ollie. In former days you'd have been hung.

Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.

The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.

In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North.

That's why, he predicted on Tuesday, the Vietnam War issue "is going to blow up in Kerry's face."

"People are going to remember Gen. Giap saying if it weren't for these guys , we would have lost," North told radio host Sean Hannity.

"The Vietnam Veterans Against the War encouraged people to desert, encouraged people to mutiny - some used what they wrote to justify fragging officers," noted the former Marine lieutenant colonel, who earned two purple hearts in Vietnam.

[Loonman]

1. So now Repubs believe what General Giap says

Interesting.


These guys at Newsmax would kill their grandmothers in exchange for dirt on Dems.

I bet Limbacher already has. /libel

[papau]

24. Gaip didn't say it - Newsmax/North Lie - again - try to find Gaip authored

1985 memoir about the war - you can't!

The closest you get is a book by Cecil B. Currey called Victory at Any Cost: The Genius of Viet Nam's Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap

There are a lot of Gaip books - some are pure fiction as others have shown - a few are still in print
19202 Giap, Vo Nguyen: BANNER OF PEOPLE'S WAR -1970
16034 Giap, Vo Nguyen: BIG VICTORY, GREAT TASK
22624 Giap, Vo Nguyen Gen.: DIEN BIEN PHU
22623 Giap, Gen. : DIEN BIEN PHU. The Most Difficult Decision and Other Writing

But the 1996 interview that CNN carried is of more interest - to me - and says nothing about how he was about to surrender until Kerry opposed the war.

CAN WE SEND THE TRAITOR NORTH TO JAIL - OR AT LEAST OFF THE MEDIA!

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/11/interviews/giap/

The Americans sent advisers to each and every division in the South Vietnamese before 1965. In 1965, they started to commit big forces. We discussed among ourselves in the Politburo whether at that point it was ... a limited war. We decided that it was already a limited war. We discussed it in the Politburo that with America bringing in gigantic forces was to carry out a new campaign, with the American forces committed, it was not good for America but it would be very hard for us to fight. The struggle would be very fierce but we already concluded that we would win the war.
On fighting technologically superior U.S. forces:
When American combat forces were committed, it was a myth that we could not fight and win because they were so powerful. ... because of our courage and determination, together with wisdom, tactics and intelligence. During the attacks of B-52s, we shot down a few B-52s and captured documents. One of them was a order by the air command about the targets to be bombed in and around Hanoi and the positions of forces. Some were correct, some were wrong because of our deception . And our conclusion was that with such anti-air-power measures, the B-52 is not an effective way to fight. <snip>

On the Tet Offensive:
The Tet Offensive is a long story. ... It was our policy, drawn up by Ho Chi Minh, to make the Americans quit. Not to exterminate all Americans in Vietnam, to defeat them.
It could be said was a surprise attack which brought us a big victory. For a big battle we always figured out the objectives, the targets, so it was the main objective to destroy the forces and to obstruct the Americans from making war. But what was more important was to de-escalate the war -- because at that time the American were escalating the war -- and to start negotiations. So that was the key goal of that campaign. But of course, if we had gained more than that it would be better.
And the Americans had to back down and come to the negotiating table, because the war was not only moving into the cities, to dozens of cities and towns in South Vietnam, but also to the living rooms of Americans back home for some time. And that's why we could claim the achievement of the objective. <snip>
During the war everyone in the country would fight and they do so following the Vietnamese war theory. We have a theory that is different from that of the Russians and that of the Americans. The Americans did not understand that. They did not know or understand our nation; they did not know our war strategies. They could not win. How could they win? As our president said, there was nothing more precious than independence and freedom. We had the spirit that we would govern our own nation; we would rather sacrifice than be slaves. <snip>

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. The GOP/"Nazi" smear job has already begun!

:argh:

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Dirty tricks are here again

typical of the neo cons, next thing we know Kerry will be tried for treason.

It would be fine if he sold Weapons to our enemies and the name was Ollie, but god help you if you protest the wrong war... after fighting in it.

[meegbear]

4. Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North?!?

BAH-HAHAHAHAHA!!

[RedSox02]

5. The same Ollie North whose....

....felony convictionw as overturned by a 2-1 vote by a three judge panel. Of the two judges who voted to overturn the conviction, one was so in love with ROnald reagan, and so thankful for his appointment by Reagan, that he named his daughter...Reagan. The other judge was Lawrence Silberman, whose name might be familiar to anyone who read David Brock's Blinded by the Right. Brock credits Silberman with urging him to go ahead and print the troopergate story.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

8. Coke dealer Ollie North

flying cocaine into the country and selling it to kids. We believe this asshole why?

[Doctor_J]

6. Convicted perjurer Ollie North?

OMFG!

[Ganja Ninja]

7. "according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North. "

Gosh! with creds like that how can we question the veracity of the claim? BWAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA! Shemp Hanity! No agenda here! BWAHAAHAAHAAHAA!

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

9. Isn't he still

choreographing an illegal war somewhere?

[xray s]

10. and if it wasn't for Reagan and Bush supporting bin Laden and Hussein ...

...we wouldn't have al Queda roaming the world and 530 dead GI's in Iraq.

Damn it! The Democrats are going to have to start peeling these bastards and showing the world their sorry ass record of supporting people who blow back in our faces. Talk about Reagan/Bush support for bin laden in Afghanistan. Talk about Rummy shaking paws with Hussein. Talk about Bush #1 allowing Hussein to invade Kuwait by telling him the US has "no position on Iraqi/Kuwaiti border disputes". Talk about all the weapons "made in the USA" we faced in Gulf war #1. Talk about Bush #1 sealing the fate of thousands of Shi'ites after Bush encouraged them to rise up against Hussein and then allowed Hussein to mow them down with his helicopters while we looked on (yeah, those mass graves in Iraq they are finding were filled with those bodies).

It's time to take the damn gloves off and hit sniveling bastards like that criminal Ollie North HARD!

[Spirochete]

11. Ollie North, the Iran-Contra traitor?

It must surely be true, then. :eyes:

[PragMantisT]

12. I'm sure

All the administration chickenhawks who dodged their duties didn't hurt either. A great fighter pilot like * not going to SE Asia helped the Viet Cong immensely

[Terwilliger]

13. Well, I guess "gutter politics" are in fact IN this year

Then lets slam Bush with this AWOL stuff until they relent!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

14. Re-fighting the Vietnam War? But even McNamara has renounced it. n/t

[emulatorloo]

15. I thought Ollie North was still in prison n/t

[Faygo Kid]

16. Bastards. I remember the war. It wasn't like that.

Get ready, here comes the heavy artillery: Kerry responsible for us "losing" that wonderful Vietnam war. Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, wrong reasons. Kerry was a patriot to do what he could to end that misadventure. Boy, is this going to get dirty.

[genius]

17. Jane Fonda was right back then. There was a Frontline special

We were on the wrong side in the war. The oppressed people (the Vietcong) asked for our help. Instead we gave it to the tyrannical government that was oppressing them and helped the tyrants kill their victims. The North Vietnamese were just helping the people who were oppressed. It was a long Frontline special (three parts, I think) but it showed how we were on the wrong side. I don't know the name. We should get copies and distribute them. The problem is that we want to get the vote of Vietnamese who came here and who have been brainwashed into thinking we did a good thing. So we have to tread carefully on that one.

[sidpleasant]

18. Is this the same Ollie North...

... who has never challenged published accounts of his severe mental breakdown where he ran around naked, waving a pistol and gibbering? The same Ollie North whom Ronald Reagan himself said made "false statements"?

[Alpharetta]

19. Every time a right winger starts a Vietnam War smear on Kerry

Just ask them "Is bringing up Vietnam a smart thing to do? Given all the similarities between Vietnam and Iraq?"

[MaineDem]

20. I couldn't care less what that criminal Ollie North says

He's slime.

BTW, you might want to tone down the " ___ slap" terminology in your first paragraph. It's offensive to many.

[xray s]

21. You mean the Viet Nam that is now a trade partner with the US?

They seem to have turned out fine. Proves Kerry was right...we were fighting and dying in a war that we should not have been fighting.

[DemOutWest]

22. Over 30 years ago...

The real point is that it isn't whether we won or lost, we never belonged there. History will show that Vietnam was one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made, well next to gwb that is. :-)

[MoonAndSun]

23. Everytime any freeper-type says "Oliver North says" I come right

back at them with "You mean Ollie the Felon?" It shuts them right up:evilgrin:

[RedSox02]

25. And if they say "not true"

and try to claim his felony was overturned, remind them that it was overturned by activist right-wing judges. That whole "activist judge" thing will get them too.