Howard Dean raised over 800,000 in one day 6 months before he crashed and burned.

[madfloridian]

I have been reading all about Hillary's polls and Hillary's fundraising. I hear she raised a million in one week. Hillary will win. It is the first time the spouse of a former president has run, and she has a machine, and she will win.

Now that we have that decided...just a few reminders of how things went in 2003.

It is just to put things in perspective. Things happen quickly in politics.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/434#more

Zephyr Teachout
Published Monday, 06/30/03 @ 11:56 pm

As of 12:00 AM ET, Howard Dean has raised $802,083 online today, bringing our total for the quarter to $7,109,311.

The contributions are still pouring in - incredible - over $800,000 in a single day. Thank you all!

Another reminder. 4,500 in Virginia.
http://gallery.cloudview.com/gallery/19250#669025

10,000 Bryant Park summer 2003
http://gallery.cloudview.com/gallery/20378#P-2-9

Seattle, Summer 2003, at least 10,000
http://gallery.cloudview.com/gallery/19253#680026

Dean in Seattle:
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/1120#more

From Governor Dean by Howard Dean
Published Sunday, 08/31/03 @ 1:40 pm
The most extraordinary moment for me during the sleepless summer tour, out of alot of extraordinary moments was in Seattle. I looked out over at least 10,000 people, a thick crowd all the way back to the buildings, and for the first time in a long time, I was nervous, not because of the speech, but because I realized that I had a huge responsibility, not just because we might win, but because you are all counting on me. As you know, one of the lines in my stump speech is that you have the power to change this country not me. That is true. This is a movement to permanently change America, so we will never have to go through what is happening to us now again.

I really appreciate all the great work you did to turn out crowds over the sleepless summer tour. And I appreciate your coming too, and all the money you have raised.

The tour was great. We learned alot, including that the team could put on a tour like that, with all the complicated staging and coordination.

We must have connected with 40,000 people on the tour. If we all keep it up, we will succeed.

Thanks for doing all that you do,

Howard Dean

It's all about putting things in perspective.

You would think all these polls were meant to distract us from keeping an eye on Congress, on what votes are being taken, on what actions we need to take as Democrats.

Perspective.

[Stuckinthebush]

1. I would like to point out

that Dean didn't crash and burn because of something he did, he was shot out of the sky by the media who were eager to make him look crazy.

If Hillary pisses off the people in power, she will be shot down as well.

[madfloridian]

2. You are correct.

Never never piss off TPTB. :hi:

[xxqqqzme]

4. couldn't agree more

Additionally - the WH neo-cons did not want Howard to be the candidate. This time, they are counting on HRC being the candidate so they can turn out their frothing 'base'.

[Milo_Bloom]

17. Uhhh, hate to disagree, but...

As someone who was HEAVILY involved in the Dean movement back in 2002 and 2003, Dean (or at least the campaign) DID crash and burn BEFORE the media turned on him.

Dean was ahead in Iowa, it was a done deal. However, he (his campaign and more particularly Joe Trippi) got drawn into a dog fight with Dick Gephardt and they spent nearly ALL OF THEIR MONEY to have this fight. They trucked in people from all over the country, gave them orange hats and called it the "perfect storm". They pushed and pushed SO Much that they wound up turning people off.

When I first donated to Howard Dean and I received a request for more money, it came with a letter talking about how all he needed was 20 million dollars for the ENTIRE primary campaign and I signed on to send more money and comitted to a fixed sum each month. He presented his credentials as a fiscal conservative who balanced VT's budget and who could spend money frugally throughout the campaign.

Then, they blew through 40 million dollars in Iowa... 40 MILLION DOLLARS IN IOWA FOR THIRD PLACE.

It was AFTER this that we had the idiotic media focus on the "scream" and turn him into a crazy. However, he had already crashed and burned by this point.

By allowing themselves to be drawn into that fight and trying to flex muscles in Iowa, they wound up handing the nomination over to the "less offensive" candidate. Instead of looking like a breath of fresh air, Dean started to look like the bully pushing people around and Kerry and Edwards looked like the "nice guys" trying to discuss the issues.

When I use "Dean" I speak of his campaign, as I truly believe he received some very bad advice and I think that if he had stuck with his original campaign plan of thrifty spending and allowing the message to do the talking, he would have won in Iowa without any problem and gone on to be president today.. but that is, of course, just speculation.

[madfloridian]

19. That is not the truth They were building in all 50 states.

If you can prove your statement it was spent in Iowa I would appreciate it. That is how lies spread.

[Orangepeel]

23. Yes. The media replaying of "the scream" didn't sink him. 3rd in Iowa sunk him.

That's what Dean said and I agree with him. "The scream" was part of Dean's attempt to buck up and rally supporters after a devastating loss.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. You conveniently omit the vote swapping in Iowa

which was the primary reason for Dean losing.

Kerry and Geppy swapped their fractal votes.
As did Edwards and Kooch.

Caucus voting virtually always creates fractal votes and the DC insiders locked Dean out.

[ISUGRADIA]

26. 3000 precincts in iowa

and these candidates were that organized? Gephardt sunk his own candidacy for Kerry? How?

and Dean had 19% statewide. any percentage over 15% in a caucus gets a delegate vote. where was the dean vote? There was no need for them to switch to another candidate.

[Cha]

27. Nice of you to come out

of the woodwork and get those facts out! :hi:

[madfloridian]

28. Hey, zidzi...remember this by The Stranger? from 2003..

The article called Tough Guy.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=14255

One of the best articles about the conundrum that is Howard Dean.

[PresidentObama]

3. Thank you for the wonderful post!!

Excellent!! You put everything into perspective for DU to see. I'm not undercutting the Hillary well oiled machine, but just because she's running at full throttle now...Governor Dean is an example of how you can crash and burn with in months and all that hard work and money that flowed in won't mean a damn thing once you do! Same goes for Edwards and Obama, they have to understand because they're frontrunners now won't exactly mean they will be in one year. IMHO, in one year Hillary and Obama and Edwards will be running about even, Richardson will be slightly behind them, and the rest will be doing better then they are now. And if Gore gets in, it's over. President Gore anyway?

But again, thanks for that post madfloridian!




:yourock:

[flpoljunkie]

5. Thanks for the post, mad!

[madfloridian]

6. Maybe if we quit worrying about polls, we could advocate for unions.

Or other good issues for the people of our country.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
American workers need help - and there's something you can do about it.

Regardless of where you live or what you do, labor unions are our first line of defense for worker's rights. What do they fight for? Raising the minimum wage. Improving labor standards. Expanding health care benefits. Protecting retirement security.

And these fights don't only make a difference in the workplace: They are critical to providing economic security for families, strengthening our communities and rebuilding America's middle class. Every day, millions of Americans work hard and play by the rules but are still struggling to get by. Democrats understand the important role that labor unions play to fix this crisis.

Congress is set to debate a bill that will restore American workers' right to freely choose whether or not to form a union. Call on the White House to join the Democratic majority and support the Employee Free Choice Act:

http://www.democrats.org/SupportFreeChoice

The public opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act is funded in large part by GOP-allied corporate lobbyists and interest groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the American Conservative Union, and Americans for Tax Reform. The dozens of groups that make up the "Coalition for a Democratic Workplace" spend big bucks each election cycle buying Republicans' votes on bills like this one.

This is nothing new. Big Business always gets what it wants from the Republicans-- from an energy bill written by Cheney's oil industry pals to a prescription drug bill full of giveaways to Big Pharma.

This time, though, the Democrats in Congress can stop them. If enough people get behind the Employee Free Choice Act, Bush will have no choice but to sign it into law. Show the President you stand with America's workers:

http://www.democrats.org/SupportFreeChoice

Do you believe in the right to demand a raise? Health care coverage? A pension? Do you believe workers should have a voice in their workplaces?

The fate of the Employee Free Choice Act depends on your work. Help score an important victory for worker's rights and for rebuilding America's middle class.

In Solidarity,

Governor Howard Dean, M.D.

[shance]

7. I would disagree only slightly. Dean didn't "crash and burn", he was torpedoed

by people within his own party, and some outsiders as well.

I believe it was pure unadulterated envy that instigated Dean's so called "crash and burn".

Envy and perhaps, greed.

[madfloridian]

8. Well, I agree.

He was really "crashed and burned."

Torpedoed.

[SteppingRazor]

9. One point I'd like to make to play devil's advocate...

things are way different in 2007 compared to 2003. At his first fundraiser, even relatively lightweight candidate Chris Dodd hauled in $1 million, and that was way back in June 2006.

Source: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004035010

[madfloridian]

10. This was done mostly with small donors.

Even back in 2003. i have the figures somewhere but not pertinent to this issue.

Yes, it is 4 years later. Dean burst on the scene from the outside, and in 6 months was gone. Just saying.

I mean all the big talk here about polls and fundraising is tiring, in the light of what happened in 6 months in 2003.

I have no gripe with everybody being out for as much as they can get, money talks issues walk.

[SteppingRazor]

11. Yeah, I know it was small donors. I'm just saying...

If Dodd rakes in a cool mil at his first fundraiser in June 2006, I wouldn't be tremendously worried about Hillary doing the same. That's all.

[madfloridian]

12. I am not worried. Hillary is the essence of inevitability.

I know that. She will have more money than God before it's over, and Bill is getting big speaking bucks as well still.

It is not worry. It is just showing some perspective.

[Bukowski Fan]

13. I think we should start separating the ideas of

fundraising and campaigning. They're totally different as has been evidenced over the past few years. Dean was able to fundraise through low-donor grassroots tactics quite well, but let's not forget he ran a HORRIBLE campaign. He had a lot of greenhorns running that ship and it eventually sank. It was a bunch of young Ivy League grads, not hardened campaign hands, and EVEN IF the MSM didn't shoot him down in one of the most pathetic freak shows I've seen in my young life, chances are he would've lost anyways.

Just because you raise a lot of money, doesn't mean you can run a strong campaign. It takes a plethora of talent at all levels a campaign to win, not just a strong finance director.

::puts on flame retardent suit::

[madfloridian]

14. But he said things that mattered. All the time. Every day.

Now when someone does they apologize immediately.

It was a wonderful campaign with all those young greenhorn whippersnappers who are now moving on to change our country in other ways.

But the one who will win this time is the most scripted one, the most careful one, the most cautious one.

It was a campaign that changed things.

That is why we were part of it.

That is why I really don't give a damn right now who wins. Because I see it won't matter.

[Ethelk2044]

15. Polls

It will be about even in polling as well get closer to the
Primaries. We will just have to see what happens when the
debates starts.

[madfloridian]

16. It does not matter. Most believe the choice has been made.

And has been made by TPTB for a long time. Polls can be made to say anything you want them to say..a word here, a word there.

[madfloridian]

18. Our party is too deeply mired in politically correct "mud" to matter now.

Someday someone will catch on to what Dean was about. But our party is too deep into being correct and scripted to allow deviance from the center pattern.

[madfloridian]

20. I believe we did that another day as well in Sept 03.

I have not searched Open Secrets yet, but there was a thread going that day with a Bat up. I found this comment:

"Tue, 09/30/03
10:40 pm

Reply to this
Online total since midnight:

$811,568."

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/1505#comments

Not that it really matters, just putting things in perspective.

[mnhtnbb]

21. It was great, wasn't it? Dean would have made mincemeat of Bushie boy in debates.

[zulchzulu]

22. 300+ days until the Iowa caucus

When it's November, then we can start getting a good general idea of the primary race.

Even then, it's unpredictable.

[madfloridian]

24. Hillary had Bill Clinton, James Carville, and Madeleine Albright helping

her raise that million. My point is this was mostly a smaller donor effort by the Dean campaign. Looks like at least twice we got over 800,000, as I posted above...in one day. And it was only 6 months before he was out of the race. So anything can happen.

Probably not to her, though, because of the power of the former president who is her husband. It is a unique situation.