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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:31 PM
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None of our candidates is perfect, but I am going to support John Edwards
For the following reasons:

1) Public financing. John Edwards has said that public financing of elections is necesary to take back our government for the people. It's in his stump speech. Public financing would serve as the foundation for all future progressive reforms. Much less catering to big corporations and reclusive right-wing gazillionaires.

2) Labor: Edwards is the candidate most closely identified with organized labor. It's one of his primary audiences. I think that it is likely he will sign the Employee Free Choice Act, and help revitalize workplace democracy, which is one small step towards greater economic democracy. Plus, a strong labor movement means more support for the Democratic party.

3) Netroots: Edwards listens. He listed to to the netroots in originally keeping his campaign bloggers. He listened when the netroots complained about his Iran rhetoric. I want a responsive president.

4) Iowa: Edwards is currently performing at his best in Iowa, and I'd like to see him do well enough to get some momentum in the primaries afterward. This would blunt the "Hillary v. Obama" corporate media narrative.

The downside of Edwards is of course, co-sponsoring IWR. There is no getting around that, even though he has repented. Like I said, no candidate is perfect. Edwards at least listens, and I will count on my fellow net- and grass-roots dems to send him the right messages.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:33 PM
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1. His health care plan is HClinton's old plan warmed over.
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 06:33 PM by Phredicles
I like him (he does seem like a nice guy), but right now I'd say he's my fourth choice after Gore, Kucinich, and Obama.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 01:57 AM
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18. Except he adds a public insurance option to the dogpile
This is a big improvement, but Kucinich is the only candidate firmly coming out in favor of real universal health care.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:34 PM
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2. He's my first choice, as well
Subject to change if Al Gore enters the race ... but, even then I'd like to see him as the veep
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:43 PM
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4. I heard that he and Kerry were both in the running but it went to Joementum
That's one decision I'd REALLY like to hear Pres. Gore recant!!!

I agree about Edwards -- he's a good campaigner but I think he's enough of a wonk to actually get something done from the governing perspective. Hard to find both of those in one guy and he's got it.

All above subject to change if Gore gets in ..
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Buck Laser Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:42 PM
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3. Not my first choice, but I'd have no problem with him...
It looks like a good season for democrats, with a number of competent candidates. I don't expect to find myself in an "anybody but" mode this year. But then, I'm easy.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:45 PM
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5. Public financing sort of mitigates the IWR, because the issue with the IWR
is how a bunch of very privileged people took advantaged of less privileged people by means of a vote that they acquired by means of their privilege.

If Public Financing strongly breaks the dependencies of elective office upon privilege, that will help. But it must be strong, something entirely new.

I feel a little bad saying this, because John Kerry, whom I think has a great deal to offer, is sitting this one out, doing penance for his IWR vote as it were and I think that is okay, even good. So I'm going to have to explain to myself why I'd give JE a pass on IWR, if he advocates strongly for a real change in campaign finance, and not JK, if he had done something equally important to mitigate his mistake.

What this war has done to us is so horrible AND enduring, it's hard to resist the temptation to punish someone for it.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:48 PM
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6. Great point.
That's why public financing is so high a priority for me. So many of the sins of our government are the result of weaknesses in our democracy, and public financing could cure some of them.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:35 PM
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10. Patrice, JK is not running - but just for your view on JK, you should known that,
he is was the author of Clean Elections which in 1997 he sponsored with Wellstone. It was the "real" campaign finance reform and was done to define what should be done - they knew it wouldn't pass - and it didn't. Both Maine and Arizonia used it as a prototype for their election laws.

Here is Kerry's talk on campaign finance:


Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I want to speak before you today about a critical challenge before this Senate--the challenge of reforming the way in which elections are conducted in the United States; the challenge of ending the ``moneyocracy'' that has turned our elections into auctions where public office is sold to the highest bidder. I want to implore the Congress to take meaningful steps this year to ban soft money, strengthen the Federal Election Commission, provide candidates the opportunity to pay for their campaigns with clean money, end the growing trend of dangerous sham issue ads, and meet the ultimate goal of restoring the rights of average Americans to have a stake in their democracy. Today I am proud to join with my colleague from Minnesota, PAUL WELLSTONE, to introduce the ``Clean Money'' bill which I believe will help all of us entrusted to shape public policy to arrive at a point where we can truly say we are rebuilding Americans' faith in our democracy.
For the last 10 years, I have stood before you to push for comprehensive campaign reform. We have made nips and tucks at the edges of the system, but we have always found excuses to hold us back from making the system work. It's long past time that we act--in a comprehensive way--to curtail the way in which soft money and the big special interest dollars are crowding ordinary citizens out of this political system.
Today the political system is being corrupted because there is too much unregulated, misused money circulating in an environment where candidates will do anything to get elected and where, too often, the special interests set the tone of debate more than the political leaders or the American people. Just consider the facts for a moment. The rising cost of seeking political office is outrageous. In 1996, House and Senate candidates spent more than $765 million, a 76% increase since 1990 and a six fold increase since 1976. Since 1976, the average cost for a winning Senate race went from $600,000 to $3.3 million, and in the arms race for campaign dollars in 1996 many of us were forced to spend significantly more than that. In constant dollars, we have seen an increase of over 100 percent in the money spent for Senatorial races from 1980 to 1994. Today Senators often spend more time on the phone ``dialing for dollars'' than on the Senate floor. The average Senator must raise $12,000 a week for six years to pay for his or her re-election campaign.
But that's just the tip of the iceberg. The use of soft money has exploded. In 1988, Democrats and Republicans raised a combined $45 million in soft money. In 1992 that number doubled to reach $90 million and in 1995-96 that number tripled to $262 million. This trend continues in this cycle. What's the impact of all that soft money? It means that the special interests are being heard. They're the ones with the influence. But ordinary citizens can't compete. Fewer than one third of one percent of eligible voters donated more than $250 in the electoral cycle of 1996. They're on the sidelines in what is becoming a coin-operated political system.
The American people want us to act today to forge a better system. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that 77% of the public believes that campaign finance reform is needed ``because there is too much money being spent on political campaigns, which leads to excessive influence by special interests and wealthy individuals at the expense of average people.'' Last spring a New York Times found that an astonishing 91% of the public favor a fundamental transformation of this system.
Cynics say that the American people don't care about campaign finance. It's not true. Citizens just don't believe we'll have the courage to act--they're fed up with our defense of the status quo. They're disturbed by our fear of moving away from this status quo which is destroying our democracy. Soft money, political experts tell us, is good for incumbents, good for those of us within the system already. Well, nothing can be good for any elected official that hurts our democracy, that drives citizens out of the process, and which keeps politicians glued to the phone raising money when they ought to be doing the people's business. Let's put aside the status quo, and let's act today to restore our democracy, to make it once more all that the founders promised it could be.
Let us pass the Clean Mo ney Bill to restore faith in our government in this age when it has been so badly eroded.
Let us recognize that the faith in government and in our political process which leads Americans to go to town hall meetings, or to attend local caucuses, or even to vote--that faith which makes political expression worthwhile for ordinary working Americans--is being threatened by a political system that appears to reward the special interests that can play the game and the politicians who can game the system.
Each time we have debated campaign finance reform in this Senate, too many of our colleagues have safeguarded the status quo under the guise of protecting the political speech of the Fortune 500. But today we must pass campaign finance reform to protect the political voice of the 250 million ordinary, working Americans without a fortune. It is their dwindling faith in our political system that must be restored.

Twenty five years ago, I sat before the Foreign Relations Committee, a young veteran having returned from Vietnam. Behind me sat hundreds of veterans committed to ending the war the Vietnam War. Even then we questioned whether ordinary Americans, battle scarred veterans, could have a voice in a political system where the costs of campaigns, the price of elected office seemed prohibitive. Young men who had put their life on the front lines for their country were worried that the wall of special interests between the people and their government might have been too thick even then for our voices to be heard in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C.
But we had a reserve of faith left, some belief in the promise and the influence of political expression for all Americans. That sliver of faith saved lives. Ordinary citizens stopped a war that had taken 59,000 American lives.

Every time in the history of this republic when we have faced a moral challenge, there has been enough faith in our democracy to stir the passions of ordinary Americans to act--to write to their Members of Congress; to come to Washington and speak with us one on one; to walk door to door on behalf of issues and candidates; and to vote on election day for people they believe will fight for them in Washington.
It's the activism of citizens in our democracy that has made the American experiment a success. Ordinary citizens--at the most critical moments in our history--were filled with a sense of efficacy. They believed they had influence in their government.
Today those same citizens are turning away from our political system. They believe the only kind of influence left in American politics is the kind you wield with a checkbook.
The senior citizen living on a social security check knows her influence is inconsequential compared to the interest group that can saturate a media market with a million dollars in ads that play fast and loose with the facts. The mother struggling to find decent health care for her children knows her influence is trivial compared to the special interests on K Street that can deliver contributions to incumbent politicians struggling to stay in office.
But I would remind you that whenever our country faces a challenge, it is not the special interests, but rather the average citizen, who holds the responsibility to protect our nation. The next time our nation faces a crisis and the people's voice needs to be heard to turn the tide of history, will the average American believe enough in the process to give words to the feelings beyond the beltway, the currents of public opinion that run beneath the surface of our political dialogue? In times of real challenge for our country in the years to come, will the young people speak up once again? Not if we continue to hand over control of our political system to the special interests who can infuse the system with soft money and with phony television ads that make a mockery of the issues.
The children of the generation that fought to lower the voting age to 18 are abandoning the voting booth themselves. Polls reveal they believe it is more likely that they'll be abducted by aliens than it is that their vote will make a real difference. For America's young people the MTV Voter Participation Challenge ``Choose or Lose'' has become a cynical joke. In their minds, the choice has already been lost--lost to the special interests. That is a loss this Senate should take very seriously. That is tremendous damage done to our democracy, damage we have a responsibility in this Senate to repair. Mr. President, with this legislation we are introducing today, we can begin that effort--we can repair and revitalize our political process, and we can guarantee ``clean elections'' funded by ``clean money,'' elections where our citizens are the ones who make the difference


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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:49 PM
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11. Thanks for this. I will read later at my leisure.
I am a Deanocrat who knocked on doors in 4 precincts for Kerry in '04.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:47 PM
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12. I've seen your posts before
Given your post I thought you would like to see this - having nothing to do with 2008 politics - if nothing else, it should makeyou a bit happier about the person you campaigned for.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:07 PM
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13. It does. Thanks. n/t
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:06 PM
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7. Add bigger coattails
A bigger swamping of the GOP electorally is a major goal above and beyond the presidency itself. In fact, having such legislative power keeps a candidate moving left or center while settling for a pick who will have less legislative coattails will inhibit. Edwards' direction, IF you don't like where he is now completely on health care or foreign policy is definitely moving in the right direction and not likely to drag his heels against a Dem congress that will ask for more, say, in a health care package. Any restraint Edwards might have for the sake of fiscal responsibility and not becoming isolationist, I think
would be all to the good.

It is almost too perfect for people to get, focused as they are on sensationalized minutiae and hyper mode phony MSM handicapping.

The end drawback is the same for the party as a whole. Namely, that in the crises upcoming and Bush disasters entrenched the party is not progressive or energetic enough to take the wise and aggressive path needed desperately. I don't think Edwards will inhibit such a development, grudgingly, slowly developing(maybe) from the grassroots to the future. On the contrary, progress with substance(and more regions, more Dems) will unite and move the nation with the energy of hope. It is possible that Obama could do the same and the primary test may succeed, as others have, in giving us a candidate that needs more support to carry party and nation from point A to B.

The crux of this is that Edwards losing a popularity contest with Obama, like Gore did more substantially against Clinton and others, will demolish his otherwise greater potential to help us all while Obama will rise above to assume the role no matter what his own weaknesses are. What happened to Edwards in 2004 was less popularity that solidity and issue contests and never getting that critical test on an equal organizational footing.if Gore were to step in the whole applecart of course will be thrown over. I'd like to thin Gore would only do this is Hillary was so organizationally powerful as to threaten every bit of progress the party and nation could hope for. If that were the case at that point, then Edwards(and Obama) would be already in the process of being eclipsed anyway.

I guess I would like to bang a lot of heads against the wall among the makers and shakers who in the past picked Hillarys and Gores for the same reasons they are ignoring in Edwards(a far better campaigner and choice). They are the ones who could at the least stop blocking edwards from becoming the ideal candidate with the most to strategically offer. But it is the populist edge that worries them and the fatness now of the established mode(losing as it has been) that serve almost like an anti-Dean coalition against one who seems on the surface more than close enough to them. Either they are afraid of winning too big or they want to drag the party center-right no matter what the people would say if they could. Either they have less control over Edwards or fear his populist trend- probably both.

And the fact that the MSM rewards the two current Dem frontrunners for their most negative reasons is nothing to cheer about. Seeing how they treat the GOP miseries with great benevolence means they are not neutral enthusiasts in this game. The trouble is they continue trashing all Dems, Edwards included, while Edwards receives much less of the publicity spotlight he so needs. Hillary is necessarily but wearily repeating the Kerry/Dean debacle against someone she cannot recover against. Obama could be destroyed or become the major winner and once more the contest squeezes out the better option(IMHO).

This time Edwards has to wisely build the wiser base underneath the perceived two-way and not wait very much to let it run its ofdd course. This would be imitating the Kerry strong slow build that this time would produce a more more charismatic breakthrough and result without the disadvantage of having been written off with prejudice in the interim.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:19 PM
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14. I don't really see this here that you said....
I guess I would like to bang a lot of heads against the wall among the makers and shakers who in the past picked Hillarys and Gores for the same reasons they are ignoring in Edwards(a far better campaigner and choice).


The top tier all get quite a bit of media, Edwards included.

Considering how early it is, that's a better position for Edwards to be in. Top two will have a tougher time staying up there for so long. Overexposure is not a good thing...and I don't think that Edwards want it, and I maybe that's why he ain't getting it. Corporate media knows how the game is played too.

SO I believe that the Corporate media is giving all of them with more than enough media exposure.

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:26 PM
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15. Sigh
For now that sounds very right, just nerve wracking. I only hope it gets more sensible, but remembering last time, the final stages of Kerry swiftly folding up Dean's collapsing tent seemed insanely precipitous compared to the debates and the long primary schedule. Who knows what will happen this time?
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:19 PM
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8. political opportunist
I like John Edwards, but lately he just comes across as politically calculating. One presidential race he is a sunny, optimitistic, southern moderate, the next race, he is a liberal populist who is strongly against the Iraq War. Seems to me he just picks a new movie role every race he is in. He has personally done little on the issues he talks about.
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NDP Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:21 PM
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9. You do realize that Edwards opted out of public financing after Clinton and Obama signaled
that they would. He said that he needed to do it to compete, even though he "wishes" that campaigns were publicly financed. He should be even more blunter and say that money is ruining politics in this country.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 11:06 PM
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16. I'm not
I don't know who I will support, I just know it won't be Edwards. If he becomes the nominee, I'm sure I'd vote for him, but I would have a terribly hard time doing it.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 11:09 PM
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17. I always feel like he's trying to sell me something...
and I haven't bought anything from him yet, and don't think I ever will.
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