Is there a "put the women in their place" movement in the air?

[MaryBear]

Think about it.

1. Ann Coulter is lauded and paraded before GOP audiences.

2. Hillary Rodham Clinton is decried as unelectable and attacked on all sides.

3. Laura Bush is put onstage to make idiotic statements.

Where is a strong powerful focused woman consistently taken seriously?

[madeline_con]

1. In the House of Reps! n/t

The others you mentioned just perpetuate the myth.

[MaryBear]

14. You are correct, madeline_con, however

where do we see images of these women?

I am trying to address the way

women are portrayed.

Absolutely, women belong in the House and in the Senate.

But how are they generally portrayed?

[Purveyor]

2. "Where is a strong powerful focused woman consistently taken seriously?"

Just who are these 'women', with a strong, powerful, focused voice?

I find them AWOL when the time is ripe for them to "take the stage".

Disappointed am I...indeed!

Flame war, not interested. JMHO

[catnhatnh]

4. If the name Pelosi doesn't spring to mind....

...along with all women who have broken into the Senatorial club I guess you won't get it.....

[MaryBear]

15. Purveyor, this thread is an invitation to conversation.

Many of us can name powerful focused women.

However, the stage is most often owned by others.

Oprah is an example of one who consciously sends a message that is pro-woman.

She is an anomaly.

A more apt question is where is the stage.

[catnhatnh]

3. I know only that if there is such a movement...

...it is a right wing creature...Bush and Coulter are certainly womanly caricatures. However Clinton as a candidate being attacked "from" all sides" ignores the fact that all announced Republican candidates are also attacked by some elements of the right wing as well as by all Democrats...While I may find Clinton not to be my cup of tea, any complaints I have will relate either to her character or her politics-certainly not to her appearance or gender...by the by-when I SAY character, I MEAN character...meaning whether I feel she is honest or trustworthy-not that I find her shrill or overbearing.I take many "strong, powerful, and focused" women seriously-it just doesn't mean they reflect my values-if I were to move them to the top of some imagined mental list merely because they display some of the characteristics I hope to find in my final choice of candidates I support, than I would then truly denigrate someone based on gender.We are playing in the big leagues and we are playing for keeps...false or faint gender based praise would be a mistake.....IMHO...LOL

[Porcupine]

5. How did you reach that conclusion?

In response.

1) Ann Coulter is taken seriously by nobody. She is put on TV as a bomb-throwing clown act for others to respond to.

2) Hillary Rodham Clinton has some major problems with the Democratic base due to her support of the war. Also Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton has some serious problems for those of us who still believe in democracy. It's about policy not gender.

3) Laura Bush is only allowed in front of a camera because her husband comes off like 9 year old boy playing preznint. She speaks proper english in real sentences. If her maiden name had been Bush SHE would be president.

I see strong powerful women all over the place. Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Lynn Woolsey and Cindy Sheehan are just a few examples. In the unlikely event the GOP ran Olympia Snowe for president we could have a serious challenge on our hands.

I have been voting for women since I was 18. But I'm from Northern California and used to live in Boxers and then Woolsey's district. It's not a privilege that most people have.

[MaryBear]

16. It is a question.

Hurray for you Porcupine. Yes, the women you list are strong and powerful. But how are they portrayed?

[donsu]

6. 'put the women in their place' has ALWAYS been a movement

there are tons of strong powerful focused women in america and the world.

keeping them in their place works, but not as good as it used to.

will the men win the war against women? not if I can help it.

[SharonAnn]

7. Amen, sister. It has ALWAYS been the movement of the conservatives.

[loyalsister]

9. I think it's equal opportunity

Throw the word "feminist" out to a few liberal men and check the responses.
Conservative are more blatently oppressive, but there are liberal men who are equally intimidated or possibly even repulsed by the idea of assertive women. The steps toward supression are subtle but present.

[bluedawg12]

22. Yes there is and always has been

Pushyhkine is and always has been. For a while it was slightly less visible.

Why do I say this?

Hilary- the repugs wave her name like a rag doll in front of wolves.

Oprah- can’t get enough cheap shots about her no matter what she does.


Rosie O- sure she’s crass but the homophobic ad hominem attacks at her went beyond revenge.

Katie Curic- held up as a left wing talking “munchkin” by the RW

BarbaraStreisandd- code for loopy left wing “pushy” code for Jewish, always gets boos and jeers from repug crowds.


Can you name any?

Then there are the RW female saints:

Maggie Thatcher

Laura pickles B
Phylisiss Schlafly- the most feminist rightwing-a-nazi business woman politicimasqueradinging as a traditionalist.

Dr. Whora-laura the mouth from hell

Saint Nancy Raygun

Ann the man KKKolter

They can do no wrong

[Forkboy]

8. It's always been bad,but the conservatives have been empowered by Bush

And under him there's been a "movement" against anything even remotely fair or liberal.They've always hated women and they've had a bigger soapbox to stand on.It'll probably get worse as they realize their time is winding down in '08.

I have noticed more in just the last couple of months,offline and on.

As to point number two though,my dislike of Clinton has NOTHING to do with her being a woman.

[Clark2008]

10. I wish they would put us in our place:

leadership roles.

Afterall, we're the hand that rocks the cradle. We rule the world.

:hi:

[Uncle Joe]

11. In my opinion, Katrina Vanden Heuvel of The Nation is a strong powerful woman,

one morning I recall in particular, she dominated a telecast of This Week, that was the first time I ever saw her. She was exceptionally sharp and I would love to see much more of her on television or run office.

[Greyhound]

12. Alas MaryBear, it is so and, in my lifetime anyway, has always been such.

I have seen this happen here so often that I often wonder why I keep coming back. It is not limited to women either, the bigotry extends to all of the "suspect class" that they wish would just STFU, vote and then go away, and it infuriates me as well (assuming you are infuriated).

I probably stay just because, if I left, it would make so many of the short-sighted and simple minded too happy.:evilgrin:

ETA; recommended

[election_2004]

13. Where've you been? - - It's called the GOP !!!

Dick DeVos and his groundlings are the perfect example!

[MaryBear]

17. Living a woman's life.

Watching how we are portrayed.
Wondering what is going on.

[election_2004]

19. The very fact that you recognized Coulter's treatment....

...and its positive nature, in front of certain audiences - - implies that your question is rhetorical.

[MaryBear]

20. Actually, not.

I noticed, and I wondered. I am not certain howe deliberate it is, nor in what way.

[Jack Sprat]

18. Nancy Pelosi, for one.

[MaryBear]

21. Yes, she is one. However,

where and by how many is she represented seriously? I hope she and other women are front and center at the Dem convention.