Would Hillary ever lie about if she was ever influenced by authors supportive of communism?

[PhilipShore]

Poll question: Would Hillary ever lie about if she was ever influenced by authors supportive of communism?

PLAYBOY: What was your own relationship with the Communist Party?

ALINSKY: I knew plenty of Communists in those days, and I worked with them on a number of projects. Back in the Thirties, the Communists did a hell of a lot of good work; they were in the vanguard of the labor movement and they played an important role in aiding blacks and Okies and Southern sharecroppers. Anybody who tells you he was active in progressive causes in those days and never worked with the Reds is a goddamn liar. Their platform stood for all the right things, and unlike many liberals, they were willing to put their bodies on the line. Without the Communists, for example, I doubt the C.I.O. could have won all the battles it did. I was also sympathetic to Russia in those days, not because I admired Stalin or the Soviet system but because it seemed to be the only country willing to stand up to Hitler. I was in charge of a big part of fund raising for the International Brigade and in that capacity I worked in close alliance with the Communist Party.

http://www.progress.org/2003/alinsky11.htm
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John F. Kennedy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy

Latin America and Communism

Arguing that "those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable," Kennedy sought to contain communism in Latin America by establishing the Alliance for Progress, which sent foreign aid to troubled countries in the region and sought greater human rights standards in the region. He worked closely with Puerto Rican Governor Luis Muñoz Marín for the development of the Alliance of Progress, as well as developments in the autonomy of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

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Photo illustration by Clay Frost / MSNBC.com

Hillary Rodham in 1965, when she was president of Wellesley College's Young Republicans, shown here with the cover page of her senior thesis from 1969 on radical organizer Saul D. Alinsky.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

[blitzen]

1. Are we back to red-baiting? I thought that went out of style about 50 years ago...

I'm not sure what your point is...but it smells like O'Reilly

[rodeodance]

2. I think the question sucks!

[JDPriestly]

3. Ridiculous question.

Your premise is purely speculative and has no basis in reality. Hillary was more influenced by Goldwater than by Communism.

[PhilipShore]

4. No not at all...

I am a pacifist liberal, and I was only a baby during the Cuban Missile Crisis, most of my family had friends that knew JFK and would visit him in the Whitehouse. My mother used to date the president of the AFL-CIO Ray Corbett, and she had dinner with Corbett and Jimmy Hoffa, and she told me that Hoffa said that, "Bobbie never worked a day in his life, and grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth."

And my grandmother on my fathers side had a sister, that was a decorator at the White House for JFK (I am assuming she was not political like labor was back then).

I am just curious, as a liberal; whom like JFK is in great distaste of communism, because it is a violent form of social change (revolution) and here someone that is running to be President of the United States, was involved in groups that were communism oriented.

I read Alinsky in college - and I never liked his theories much.

[Tellurian]

45. Many of his theories are used today..

Hard to believe you're not just hung up on his quote regarding Communism...
and looking for an axe to grind.

Doesn't sound like you even read the full msm link.

[malikstein]

79. So beside name dropping,

what do you have to report? Hillary Clinton is so far from communism that I can't see how I could ever vote for her.

[progdonkey]

5. I'm confused...

Is the question rhetorical and you are intentionally providing the Playboy quote to discredit it, or do you actually think the Playboy quote shows that Alinsky was "supportive of Communism"?

That entire response shows that he was not supportive of Communism but rather that he found himself always standing side-by-side with the Communists, as they seemed to be the most willing to actually fight for worker's rights. He was sympathetic to Russia "not because (he) admired Stalin or the Soviet System but because it seemed to be the only country willing to stand up to Hitler."

I don't even know anything about Alinsky, but the quote you gave show him to be anything but a devoted "supporter of Communism," which is why I'm confused as to your intent.


(As a quick side observation: holy shit, Hillary was cute then!)

[PhilipShore]

8. I have no intent --

I am just curious; back then most people would hide if they had communist ties. Remember Joseph McCarthy? Well I don't -- I have just read stuff when in college.

I was just wondering - what perhaps people would of thought back then perhaps, about her college work - if she was running for president, back then perhaps?

I have no intent on voting for her, so I have no group think idea, cause to protect, so I can ask questions.

And frankly, all her secrecy about discussing her politics, is quite similar to communist politicians I read about, during Soviet Russia times.

[blitzen]

9. this is just getting more and more ridiculous...

i regret having taken the "bait"

[progdonkey]

15. I'd never vote for her, either...

but the whole issue of her politics when she was in college is totally pointless to me.

A 21-year-old college senior named Hillary Rodham is not a 59-year-old former first lady and senator from New York running for president, so I don't care what her politics then were. I care about her positions now.

But in fairness to Hillary, one of the reasons she is so secretive and deliberate about everything is because she knows that every single syllable that she utters will be twisted by the very real RWC into whatever they want the attack against her to be. Of course, she is also your run-of-the-mill politician waffling around an issue and trying to say something without saying anything.

[PhilipShore]

21. It is ironic...

if she had just never attempted to hide it, and face a few difficult questions, it would of probably been forgotten, but with her attempting to hide it will make it, more and more of an issue, and more public.

The Repukes must be going crazy, I am of the opinion they want her to run - because they know she will not win, so now they have to put out a real anti-Hillary campaign before they expected, so Hillary's poll numbers will go down.

I much prefer Edwards To Hillary anyways,and if Gore jumps in - of course him as well.

[ProudDad]

71. Wouldn't it be fun if

one of Hillary's sycophants would post her actual record, policies and positions instead of going out of their way to call "the loony left" a bunch of names?

I'd like to see that...

Of course you won't get much of that information from her. I don't entirely blame Hillary for that. I blame some of that on the MSM. They aren't interested in records, policies and positions. Those parasites are only interested in the "horse race" from the point of view of their corporate masters. I also blame the broken "electoral" system floating on a sea of corporate cash for a lot of that.

However, instead of throwing mud on anyone to the left of Zell Miller I haven't seen much information from the Hillary lovers on this board...How about it guys?

[lligrd]

17. Congratulations On Being One Of The Few

who takes history lessons seriously. I wonder what lessons we are doomed to relearn because not enough paid attention to history?

[PhilipShore]

62. Thank you--I find the past fascinating for understanding the present...

Most of the writers in the past; even have a better writing style - then the authors of today.

[Tellurian]

46. Sure, you do.. we can see right through your shabby attempt at a smear!

[lligrd]

6. Exactly How Does One Tell If A Book Influenced Them?

I read many books but they are but one of the many varied sources of information I receive in a day. How much does each source influence me?

Actually, I think it would behoove all of us to become more, and not less acquainted, with the ways governments can be implemented so that we can select the best of any parts that work. Aren't those the basics of learning?

[PhilipShore]

10. Well, many authors of books have influenced my world view of things...

Gandhi, Jesus Christ, JFK, King, Thomas Merton and poets galore, and many other books about social causes, ideas. I don't think I have ever denied about reading a book; and being influenced by them.

Why would a politician want to cover up the fact, that she was influenced by a author?

[lligrd]

13. But How Do You Know How Much If At All?

I mean, the values we derive are a combination of many factors (parents, cultures, schools, information etc.). Books we read are one small factor, even if one occasionally seems to fit all that we do agree with, and thereby "influence" us.

[PhilipShore]

24. But what were her values then, and now?

I mean, the values we derive are a combination of many factors (parents, cultures, schools, information etc.). Books we read are one small factor, even if one occasionally seems to fit all that we do agree with, and thereby "influence" us.

I am just wondering - how - it will affect world opinions. For example, the freepers are going nuts over this. What are the political ramifications of all this? Here is a very brief example of the Headlines.

_________________________________________________________


BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the ...
HILL'S ( HILLARY )WEAK SPOT SHE'S SENATOR STUBBORN
Right Truth: Have you read Hillary's thesis?

____________________________________________________________


Like it or not - it is important to understand your enemy, in order to win. What was the general opinion of the average Democrat, of Alinsky back then?

If I was political around then - I would of thought of them (Alinsky groupies) as just a bunch of arm chair libertarians, that did not achieve many great things.

I was not around back then -- so I don't know about the connections between; what appears to me to be just garden variety liberatianism politics; and discussions of communist elements in labor.

There was a very powerful social justice movement in this country, that was liberal and democratic, that did bring about real changes that he just wrote about, that had zero connections to communism.

[lligrd]

27. Too Tired To Think Coherently Now But You Raise Interesting Points

My incoherent thoughts at the moment are; who is the enemy (I mean are they the leaders or the led or both?); what was the consensus of any group then (and what is the consensus of any group now - even us on DU disagree on many issues?); knowing what we do now, hasn't the entire Communistic, Red Scare episode become even more suspect than it was at the time?

BTW, I am too young to know what people thought during the era and would love to hear from anyone that did but my surmise is that Americans for the most part new little more of the governments they were taught to fear than we knew of Iraq, Afghanistan or Islam before we were told to fear them.

[PhilipShore]

35. I was hoping some people from that political era would talk about it as well

[Tellurian]

47. What is sad is your reading comprehension is in need of remedial help..

and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. You point out..."Why did she hide it?"
The report said, she remembered a few sentences in her thesis critical of Sen Moynahan,
and didn't want to upset him after her husband won the White House. She did it to keep the Peace.


You're a flaming idiot!

[PhilipShore]

55. Well I don't believe that excuse... n/t

[blitzen]

7. Confession: I have been influenced by Marx. No Shit!! Call...

the thought police and have them arrest me!

[PhilipShore]

16. I could care less that you have read Marx...

but I would care, if you were a Marxist/Communist running to be President of the United States.

Most authors that I have read - that have been influenced by communism; renounce it, and join non-violent social movements, and become outspoken critics of communism.

[blitzen]

18. Your suggestion that Hillary is a closet Commie is a total joke...

in fact it's one of the most laughable things I've ever read on DU.

By the way, what do you think of Castro? (This is a trick question.)

[PhilipShore]

23. CIA/Republican/Nazi/Terrorist network

By the way, what do you think of Castro? (This is a trick
question.)

A communist leader close to the coast of Florida; whom started a
violent revolution to overthrow the existing government - that was
corrupt. Those corrupt officials moved to Miami, and eventually became
politicians; that eventually corrupted Miami.

The CIA made Miami a base of operation for the anti-Castro crowd -- but
also for all US and International corruption (dealing with Nazis, drug
dealers, terrorists, the mob, etc.) - it is possible they (the
terrorists) even used Miami for the staging ground for 9/11 -- because
they had knowledge of the corrupt CIA/Republican/Nazi/Terrorist
network, to execute a blowback operation.

[lligrd]

32. My Thoughts Too. nt

[blitzen]

59. not a bad answer! n/t

[PhilipShore]

64. Thank you n/t

:)

[progdonkey]

19. but again, where does that apply to the Alinsky quote?

Alinsky was almost begrudging the fact that it was the Communists who were always there, instead of the other liberals.

Or, to put it another way, it is like recognizing that Hamas (or is it Hezbollah?) is a terrorist organization, while at the same time acknowledging that they provide plenty of legitimate public services and charitable organizations: yes, it would be much more preferable if it weren't a terrorist organization that was handing out water bottles (for instance), but since no one else is doing it, you should give credit where credit's due.

Likewise, Communism (aka "the Soviet System") was not something that Alinsky admired--according to that quote--but since the Communists were the ones he always saw on the front lines of the labor movement, getting bloodied, he won't deny them the credit due them.

[PhilipShore]

28. It does not matter what he says - what did he do?

Alinsky was almost begrudging the fact that it was the Communists who were always there, instead of the other liberals.

But his facts are wrong, it was liberals (mostly from a spiritual background), that built most of the great progressive liberal policies we have today -- or had in the past.

The communists hate God, so they would of been an enemy of the liberal social movements of the time, because they were from religions, something that was a direct attack to communism (in other words, they hated each other guts back then.)

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[progdonkey]

67. ok, now you're just being offensive...

The communists hate God, so they would of been an enemy of the liberal social movements of the time, because they were from religions, something that was a direct attack to communism.

So, your argument is that Alinsky's factually wrong because caring about the plight of workers is a distinctly religious activity, so the idea that atheists (who don't "hate God," as you can't hate something that you don't believe exists) would be part of the labor movement is wrong? That's so wrong and extremely offensive.

Religion has stood in the way of every single improvement in the state of humanity, whether it's been advances in medicine, science, child labor laws, welfare, the abolition of slavery. Certainly, there were religious people who were on the right side of those issues, but they were always in the minority, and the side opposing those advances was (and is) always overwhelmingly composed of the most pious believers. (Indeed, perhaps you should ask yourself why we "had" those great progressive liberal policies in the past, and not today, when the country is more religious than it's ever been and nearly every elected federal official of the past ten years has been not only religious, but a believing Christian?)

Lastly, if "it does not matter what he says," then why the hell did you quote him in the first place?

[mtnsnake]

73. Religion is responsible for all the social movements of time?? HAHAHAHA!!

[ProudDad]

72. Marx said he was not a communist

Therefore there's no such thing as a Marxist/Communist... :shrug:

[eridani]

11. Beware the Communist threat!

If you don't watch out, you might get crushed under a statue of Lenin being toppled by a crowd of Latvians wearing Guess jeans!

Boogaboogabooga!

[Selatius]

12. Any socialist who lived post-Marx and says they aren't influenced by Marx is a liar.

The simple fact of the matter is that Marx' contribution to socialist ideology, whatever its impact, helped to shape socialism to this day, for better or for worse. Anybody looking to criticize the excesses of capitalism would find it difficult not to consult Marx among a litany of authors with respect to critiques of capitalism.

Just because one may read and may find agreement with some of Marx' words does not necessarily mean one also condones the excesses of Maoism or Stalinism. Far from it, there are libertarian socialists and others who also reference Marx with respect to criticizing aspects of capitalism, yet the biggest disagreement between the libertarian socialists and those followers of the Communist Party predominantly is centered over methodology in achieving a classless society. It is this disagreement that has led to much bloodshed between the two camps.

The disagreement runs so deep it goes back to the days of Marx and Bakunin at the 1st International, where Bakunin was eventually booted out by followers of Marx.

[PhilipShore]

30. Liberals and communists are natural defacto enemies

Any socialist who lived post-Marx and says they aren't influenced by Marx is a liar.

Perhaps - not on paper - but in the ever day would, they hate one another.

I could not even stomach reading Marx - even as a disinterested observer, and from time to time activist - of social justice movements.

And here is Hillary writing some 60 pages of stuff that has been influenced by Marx; she most of been interested in it, because it was major part what she thought about in college.

Everything for them (communists) is about action (feeding the poor, etc), so in order to understand Marx they have to actually feed the poor, etc., so it was much more for - Hillary - then just reading a few books in the library, for few months then simply writing a college paper. I know this for fact, because I can't stomach when Communists try and recruit me and educate me "about what the social movement is" in addition to not being able to stomach reading Marx.

[lligrd]

31. Just Curious - What About Socialists?

How do you feel when you find out a group is Socialist? I know I still cringe at both based upon what I was taught. These days, I cringe at almost all groups based upon my own logic. But base upon logic, I have come to the conclusion that neither Communism or Socialism in theory are as evil as I was taught to believe, nor is Capitalism as great. Is there any reason we can't take the best from all movements and improve upon them instead of disparaging them totally?

[PhilipShore]

34. Sure why not...

but generally the ones that look for the ways to co-exist are just the scholars (Alinsky?), that write all kinds of fancy books about how social liberal and socialists are the same when looked at from this or that perspective.

But when I know in my case, I have meet some if these people, they seem zoned out from reality, and I feel powerless becuase they say the only thing that is imporant is the idea of the leader and/or the group.

What the hell is that?

[lligrd]

37. So You Found Those That Got To A Certain Point And Were

done contemplating and back to surviving and providing for their families? Or you posed questions, ala Faux News. that were so ludicrous that they were unable to come up with a witty response?

[PhilipShore]

38. No, I simply...

want-- to know what were here values back then -- and today?

It appears to be "factual" that she wrote and extensive paper, about someone that had sympathy with the philosophy of communism; that just appears to be the fact from what the MSNBC article says and from the Playboy Interview.

And that it is highly likely - though I was only a child when Hillary wrote the paper; that she had much more to do with "communism" then writing a paper, simply because of my own research into social justice movements in America after that time.

If someone from that time can dispute my conjectures --fine, I just want to know about the values of Hillary back then, and today.

Please no campaign slogans, just in her own words -- or from someone familiar with liberal politics back then.

[lligrd]

42. I Admire Your Seeking, But Doubt Even Hillary Could Answer

your question as time changes our knowledge and philosophies daily. You are asking her to remember what influenced her at school over 20 years agowhile Scooter can't even remember what influenced him at work 4 years ago.

[Tellurian]

50. By post #30, now you're convinced Hillary is influenced by Marx..

what a boondoggle of misinformation..You are no more than a RW shit stirrer..

looking to divide..

[aquart]

14. Hopefully.

This nation still remains completely insane on the subject.

[LeftishBrit]

20. Does anyone seriously think that Hillary is a 'Marxist/Communist running for president'?

That sounds like something out of the 1950s!

And why should she account for everything that MIGHT have influenced her in things that she read as a student? That sounds like some sort of 'thought-police'.

And FWIW not all people who support aspects of communist/Marxist philosophies do support violent revolution or Soviet-style dictatorship. However, all this is irrelevant to the moderate Hillary Clinton.

[lligrd]

22. Could We Ask The Same Of Bush And "Mein Kampf"?

Wait, do they have a picture version? Okay, how about Cheney?

[PhilipShore]

25. Interesting poll - no one even voted

I wonder how many people won't vote -- when this story becomes MSM news?

And from which parties?

My guess is this poll says it all, many traditional Dems won't even vote, just what the Repukes want.

[lligrd]

29. As A Traditional Dem (If That Means One That Has Always

voted Dem, I would vote for Hillary over anyone I have seen the Repukes run no matter what books she has read or what she was influenced by. The only problem I have with Hillary so far, is her idiotic vote to give Dubya the power to invade Iraq. That is a big problem.

[PhilipShore]

33. Really - that is the only reason? I have a whole list

She resents liberals. I think, I know the reason now (she is a closet communist.)

So, she already starts out with "hidden agenda" opposed to mine, even though she says she is a liberal. Historically, in the social Justice movements of America; this is nothing new.

The DLC specifically organizes against liberals and liberal principles.

She voted for the war because war and destruction; gives her a feeling of security, and power (two of about the only three values republicans have), it goes much deeper.

If the reasons to going to war are for the sake of war alone; not even considering if it is just or not, makes the whole democratic process null.

Because the basic way to "measure" if a society is democratic is how "friendly" the people are not just to ones friends - but also ones enemies (the ideas or people some may not like) --- called liberty.

So without being compassionate by giving welfare to the poor, and generally just being liberal (open) with others causes; that leaves out life because the people die, when they have the natural right to live.

And a sick person is not happy, so where is the life, liberty, and happiness? I could go on and on, but I think I made my point.

[lligrd]

36. I Don't Get Your Point

A sick person is not happy? I wouldn't take that as fact, but even if true, what is the point? That society give up on them or that we find a solution and make them happy?

I thought democratic meant the people voted for a society, where did you ger it meant "(how "friendly" the people are not just to ones friends - but also ones enemies (the ideas or people some may not like) --- called liberty?"

My take on the reality of the situations is that there will always be people that don't fit into "society" and that those who agreed to form such a "society" had no right to take away the freedoms of those who never agreed to be a part of such a "society". Freedom really is free, until someone takes it away from you. Any "society" needs to take into consideration all of the people (those that there by choice and those that are there by no choice. In other words, we took the say, God-given rights of one to survive by finding food, water and herbs to self-medicate and replaced them with farms and farm subsidies, fences and prescription drugs so that the average person has no chance of surviving on his own instincts. Don't you surmise that "society" owes those persons something?

[PhilipShore]

39. Well, democracy...

without liberty is not free. For example, liberty is the principle in which peoples co-exist, and the majority tolerate the ideas of the minority no matter how offensive.

Every one has the right to be healthy and free. I am not a doctor, but most of the time when I get sick it is from pollution in the environment; something -- not even in my control, so our government should tax the corporations "more" to pay for the health care for all, especially because the polluting corporations are the cause of the illness.

If a person is sick all the time, logic would only conclude they are depressed and not happy, because they are dying slowly, and therefore denied their right to life. I am not shrink but perhaps I could be wrong.

Everyone is basically free, and no one can take it away; but some go thru life never knowing they are free.

[lligrd]

41. Everybody Is Free??

I would have to disagree. We all have to abide by the rules the Countries, States or whatever societies we are born into or are lucky enough to immigrate to. We gave real freedom up when we chose to live in groups or societies. Freedom is illusionary, except for the freedom to live (and even that is taken from those whom we deem might choose to exercise that freedom by taking it upon themselves to end their lives or those upon whom we deem unworthy to live).

In all, the only freedom we have is to play by the rules and be granted our illusionary "freedoms" or fight to the death (most assuredly our own) for real freedom.

[PhilipShore]

43. I mean in the psyche of the mind, and spiritually...

all people have within them an inherent freedom. I am not a shrink, but I think it has something to do, with a clear mind.

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[Forkboy]

75. How sweet.

:eyes:

[bread_and_roses]

78. I seriously doubt that the OP is of "the Left"

If you attempt to wade through the incoherence of his posts I think that it is obvious that he is not on "the Left."

And the level of historical ignorance displayed in his/her posts is astounding.

But I suppose that I ought to be grateful to him/her for some good laughs. Hillary Clinton a closet communist, ROFL. Yeah, that sounds like a criticism someone on "the Left" would make.

[PhilipShore]

26. Yes

[Tellurian]

52. The only thing we're sure of it...You lack command of the facts and can add nothing to a discussion!

And did I mention, an outright, baldfaced LIAR!

[MadHound]

40. Considering Hillary's early political career, I seriously doubt it

A Goldwater Girl, a College Republican, she came to the progressive school of politics later in life, and never has embraced it fully, as we can see by her positions that she takes. Trying to paint Hillary as a Communist sympathizer is a laughable stretch. There's plenty of real reasons to find fault with Hillary, you don't need to start making shit up.

[SaveElmer]

44. Another stellar example of some on the left adopting RW smear tactics...

Against Hillary Clinton...how pathetic...

Same kind of sleazy innuendo used against Bill by Bush I in 1992 questioning his trips to Russia...

[IndianaGreen]

84. This didn't come from the Left, it came from MSNBC which is owned by GE

The Clintons brought this upon themselves by suppressing access to Hillary's thesis in the first place. Hillary's own political science professor, a supporter of her Presidential ambitions, called it a "stupid political decision."

It was early 1993, in the first days of the Clinton administration, when Hillary Clinton's friend and former thesis adviser at Wellesley College took the phone call that would land him in the middle of a political intrigue.

"I got a call from someone at the White House — I don't remember who — shortly after the inauguration, saying the Clintons had decided not to release her thesis," professor Alan H. Schechter told MSNBC.com.

"I said, 'Why? It's a good thesis.' I got some mumbo jumbo about how they were beginning to work on health care and she had criticized Sen. Moynihan in the thesis, and didn't want to alienate him."

In fact, the thesis from 1969 contains not a negative word about Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the late Democratic senator from New York, and Schechter allows that the real source of fear must have been the subject of the academic paper: Chicago radical organizer Saul Alinsky. (See the main story: Reading Hillary Rodham's hidden thesis.)

‘Quite naive’

"I argued with them that they should release it," the emeritus professor said in the telephone interview from North Carolina, one stop on his tour of Wellesley alumnae groups to discuss their favorite topic these days, the political development of Hillary Clinton.

"The more you hide something, the more people will want it," Schechter said. "It was a stupid political decision, obviously, at the time."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388394/

[Alamom]

48. "Is that you, Joe? " eom

[Tellurian]

53. So, Mr. Shore- deception's your game- why are you here?

The majority of posters here at DU support ALL our Democrats. Are you thinking you struck gold because of the one line in her thesis referring to Alinsky's quote regarding Communism? I guess you are. Well, (I can't call you friend, because you're not anyone's friend when you spread disinformation and speculation then try justifying it with more lies) clue phone.

Republicans played this gold mine out long ago. This information has been publicly available since 2001. Senator Clinton's thesis has been gone over with a fine tooth comb by all comers, and you, just you, thought you found a smoking gun.. All, you did was prove the gold mine you thought you found was nothing more than "fools gold"...most people realized that after reading the article...only a FOOL would have thought he could sell it as something detrimental to Senator Clinton.

We call those 'fools'-LOSERS!

Even your graphic is a LIE...PEACE?

Yes, you've created an atmosphere of peace alright!

[Cameron27]

54. Talk about disingenuous..

he "wonders" what people would have thought about Clinton during the McCarthy era. Who would ever pose such a question?

Innocent Americans were smeared and lives destroyed, which seems the intent of the OP.

[mtnsnake]

57. He doesn't even have the courtesy to answer your posts because he has no answers.

All he's got is food for thought, but it's the kind of thought inspired by the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity. I'm sure they'd be a lot more interested in his earth shattering revelation than anyone with a brain would be.

[PhilipShore]

58. Where is it? Can I read it?

Hillary could easily make a copy available to the public, then all could read it; but it not actually public information - unless one wants to travel to where she went to college.

If it is so obvious that she is not a communist; then why not release a copy for the general public?

And Rush Limbaugh says there is no difference between a liberal and a Democrat.

[mtnsnake]

56. Would you ever lie if you were asked if you were influenced by hatemongers?

Nice job at painting Hillary as being unsuitable for being president because she's a closet commie.

The bounds to which some of you will go to bring this lady down are endless.

[PhilipShore]

60. Well Well Well, the poll seems to indicate that...

Hillary did lie about her Alinsky paper.

[LeftishBrit]

61. Just curious: how can you determine that from an Internet poll?

[Cerridwen]

63. Wow. And, you can't read polls.

What your poll tells you is that of the few people who felt compelled to respond to an anonymous poll, more of them are willing to anonymously call Hillary a liar and a closet "commie" than are not.

Poll standing as I type this is 8-yes, 2-no, 1-maybe

[PhilipShore]

65. Margaret Mead: Never doubt that a small group....

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.

[Cameron27]

66. deleted

waste of words.

[Cerridwen]

68. There are two kinds of statistics,

the kind you look up, and the kind you make up.
- Rex Stout

Figures don't lie, liars figure.
--Mark Twain (attributed to)

[Cameron27]

69. I know, but it's so tiresome pointing this out

and I've got clothes to fold :-)

:toast:

[Cerridwen]

70. Yeah, I agree.

I'm finished with this thread but I wanted to quickly say -

:toast: to you, as well. :D

[mtnsnake]

74. Let me take a stab at who you would like to be our next president

Judging from what you said in post #28, I'd have to say your favorite candidate for President in 2008 is Jerry Falwell. Is he running?

[PhilipShore]

76. Amazing -- I just want to read Hillary's communist thesis and I'm called a Repuke

Judging from what you said in post #28, I'd have to say your favorite candidate for President in 2008 is Jerry Falwell. Is he running?

I never voted for a Repuke, ever in my life, and never will.

All I want is to read the thesis. It is not a matter of public information. One would have to travel to some yuppie college -- and I'm sure wait in line -- to read it.

Amazing, just wanting to review something written by someone - makes me a Repuke. I am a liberal pacifist, whom dislikes communism.

[mtnsnake]

77. lol, I didnt call you a repuke. I guessed from post 28 that your favorite would be Falwell

Nice bit of backtracking though making like you're all innocent and all. My heart bleeds for ya. Too late, pal, you already got yourself into this with your commie charade over Hillary.

[PhilipShore]

80. I have no regrets

I am happy -- I have a few questions about Hillary's political philosophy.

Pacifist=agitator

[Tellurian]

81. Those were assertions you posed not questions..

and your graphic is as much tripe as your venomous spittle.

[Forkboy]

82. I think you guys might want to look into decaf

But I do like the term "venomous spittle".That's a keeper.

[mtnsnake]

85. Aint that so

Some people just don't like their motives exposed----
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[IndianaGreen]

83. This is a non-issue that the GOP will exploit, and that the Clintons brought upon themselves

As Hillary's former Wellesley professor Alan Schechter said when he was asked by the Clintons to suppress her master's thesis:

"The more you hide something, the more people will want it," Schechter said. "It was a stupid political decision, obviously, at the time."

How the Clintons wrapped up Hillary's thesis

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388394/

[mtnsnake]

86. Figures that you'd take the side of anyone but the Clintons

As if there is any politician in the world who hasn't read or written something ages ago that they would rather not talk about.

Big freakin deal she wrote a thesis decades ago in college. If someone writes a thesis about imbeciles, does that automatically make them an imbecile, too, just because they wrote a long research paper about it?

[LittleClarkie]

87. I'd better pack a lunch before I set off for such a long trip

I'm no fan of the Hillary, but this seems like a smear vet style stretch.