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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:40 PM
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Pro-Romney site equates Howard Dean with Ann Coulter
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 11:45 PM by BobcatJH
Yesterday, you'll remember, Ann Coulter, speaking about John Edwards, said the following vile, hateful words: "I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word 'faggot,' so I - so kind of an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards." In a well-crafted response, Howard Dean said, "There is no place in political discourse for this kind of hate-filled and bigoted comments. While Democrats and Republicans may disagree on the issues, we should all be able to agree that this kind of vile rhetoric is out of bounds. The American people want a serious, thoughtful debate of the issues. Republicans - including the Republican presidential candidates who shared the podium with Ann Coulter today - should denounce her hateful remarks."

So, to recap, one the one hand you've got a disgusting statement by someone - Coulter - with a track record of similar statements. And, on the other, the measured response of an individual - Dean - simply asking those GOP presidential hopefuls speaking at the same conference as Coulter to, in his words, denounce her hateful remarks. One problem, one I anticipated when I called on conscienceless conservative Nancy French - of, among other things, the Web site Evangelicals for Mitt - to say, without a shred of hesitation, that there is no place in the political world for comments like Coulter's, whose appearance after Romney's at CPAC, said Romney, was "a good thing". And that problem is this: Someone at Evangelicals for Mitt doesn't think what Coulter said was wrong.

Specifically, Charles Mitchell, in a post titled "Ann Coulter was Ann Coulter" (echoing a post by Kathryn Jean Lopez), wrote, "Here's the problem for Chairman Dean, though: His rhetoric (claiming the remark was 'hate-filled and bigoted') is no less overblown than Coulter's. What she said was not hate-filled; it was just unnecessary and way over the line." Wrong, Charles. In what universe is calling someone a "faggot", as Coulter did, not hate-filled? I'm guessing it's the same universe in which pointing out someone's clear bigotry - bigotry with a history - is an offense as bad as what Coulter's. Using the pejorative "faggot" is, Charles, in its very use, hate-filled. Coulter wasn't kidding. She meant what she said. And the use of terms like that - try replacing "faggot" with "nigger" - suggests a situation where, to the bigot, one group of people is somehow better than another. In other words, that the maligned are less than human.

And that, Charles, is hate-filled and bigoted. Nothing you say can or will change that. What's worse, you continue by writing, "He (Romney) doesn't have anything to prove here, as K-Lo also points out, and I don't think the campaign should give in to this silly game of 'Gotcha.'" You're wrong, Charles, Slick Dancing Mitt has everything to prove, as do the other candidates present at CPAC. Either he denounces Coulter's words, as he half-heartedly did, or he doesn't. And please excuse me for laughing at your characterization of "gotcha" and the suggestion that Romney not give in to our "silly game". If Edwards himself should be forced to respond to the out-of-context and unrelated words of Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan, why, Charles, shouldn't your candidate have to respond to a very specific, very hateful comment made about Edwards by someone your candidate had just endorsed? I'm very much looking forward to your response.

Words matter, Charles. And so does morality. To me, it doesn't speak very highly about your candidate's morality that he so eagerly endorsed Coulter. So you're wrong when you accuse others of "trying to kill the positive momentum Governor Romney's CPAC speech gave him by tying him to a remark Coulter made about Senator Edwards." When Romney preceded Coulter by telling the CPAC audience Coulter's appearance was "a good thing", he wasn't just endorsing what she was about to say, which, of course, turned out to be embarrassing. He was also flatly endorsing everything Coulter has said before. And Charles, I'm sure even someone with your powers of discernment would admit to Coulter's long history of outlandish statements. Hell, at last year's CPAC, she said, "I think our motto should be post-9-11, 'raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.'" How would you characterize that remark, Charles? Is that not hate-filled? Are my criticisms overblown? Until we get an answer to those questions, all anyone needs to know about you is that, when Coulter called Edwards a "faggot", you excused it.

Apologist, heal thyself.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:50 PM
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1. Coulter's hateful remarks against Edwards are seen as that
Even the fundies don't like smearing lies.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:52 PM
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2. It's one of those rare instances
where both parties are equally insulted.

Good times. :D
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:08 AM
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3. There is no reason for Coulter's remarks to Edwards
Are you suggesting there is?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:32 AM
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5. Not at all
I am just saying that if you compared say, Bush to a chimp, the chimp would feel more offended. Coulter and Dean find each other so horrifying that both are completely appalled at the comparison to the other.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:56 AM
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6. You know, you should explain that more....or else we might think...
you were saying Dean is as offensive as Coulter...which would be a terrible lie.

Coulter is in a class without equal in her hatred. And Dean never did call anyone faggot.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:49 AM
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7. Do I look like I think Dean is as offensive as Coulter?


:rofl:
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:16 AM
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4. Aryan Annie
is the face and voice of the Republican Party. She speaks for all Republicans. Keep repeating that until the Republicans deny it. Then make them say where they differ from Koulter. Then ask them if seeing the pictures of Dick Cheney buggering Alberto Gonzalez would effect how they view both of them, and would they care if their children saw the pictures. Karl Rove made the rules. Let's play by them until they figure out that their gutter tactics get returned in kind. When your enemy is using brass knuckles, get bigger brass knuckles. Enemy is a strong characterization, but no stronger than any thing passed off as punditry from the Koulteresqe musings of the corporate media.
The only way for Ann D. (Kaufman) Coulter to gain any credibility would be to expose his/her penis or the scars.
Wouldn't it be great if Aryan Annie went on Hannity or O'Really and started telling the truth or just tried to commit suicide, but got slightly injured.
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