Senator Clinton Speaking on CSPAN at First Baptist Church

[ProudToBeLiberal]

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[ProudToBeLiberal]

1. first impression

she's comfortable and seems like she's in her element

[Monkeyman]

2. Will Bill upstage her

[flpoljunkie]

4. Bill is not scheduled to speak at the First Baptist Church in Selma with Hillary.

[ShortnFiery]

3. Give me a summary when it's over please?

I'll be too busy listening to Robert Fisk. :hi:

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[IndianaGreen]

16. NASCAR Busch race on ESPN2 starting now from Mexico City

:-)

[ShortnFiery]

22. That was uncalled for ...

Shame on you. ;)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

110. International Tiddlywinks Sub-regional Playoff, here.

Go Red!!!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

5. Her delivery is more of a conversation

rather than a traditional podium delivery

[Monkeyman]

6. She is not as stong as Obama but we shall see if she gets better

[ProudToBeLiberal]

8. obama wasn't strong in the beginning either

[ProudToBeLiberal]

7. "We got to stay awake because we got a march to finish"

quote

[Colobo]

9. She's doing OK

She's not Obama, but she is good.

[Monkeyman]

10. She is getting better

[ProudToBeLiberal]

I'm pleasantly surprised on how good she is.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

11. wow!!! She's doing great!!

I didn't know she had that in her.

[Tellurian]

57. She stands head and shoulders over the newcomer Obama..

not that I don't think Obama is talented...just...he's as green as grass.

[Colobo]

59. The newcomer can teach her a thing or two about oratory...

[Tellurian]

62. Yes, it's easily available to anyone at toastmasters..

unfortunately you chose the easiest weakness to remedy with practice.
Obama cannot do the same with experience.

[NYCGirl]

73. No, I don't agree. Obama's remarkable ability to connect with people

just cannot be taught.

[Tellurian]

88. Connectibility is not going to beat the Right Wing...

sorry, I don't see him as a strong enough contender against the Republican machine.
He doesn't have the organization or the experience behind him to fight the no gooders and WIN.

[NYCGirl]

115. Connectibility sure can beat the Right Wing. If people feel you care and

you're genuine, most of the battle is already over.

[Tellurian]

116. I'm sure Al Gore would appreciate that..

He Won... except for the vote tampering and the SCOTUS..
Same with Kerry.

Connectibility won't help and that is what we're up against!

[NYCGirl]

117. And he wouldn't have surged ahead if it wasn't the last two weeks of the

campaign where he shook off the handlers and started being the real Al Gore and talking directly to the people.

Edit for typo

[Tellurian]

124. The fact remains he didn't have the machine behind him

to shake off the coup-

[Tellurian]

65. yeah, a hugh accomplishment...Toastmasters is nationwide.They do the same thing..nm

[chieftain]

94. Wait a minute. I was having a rough time figuring out whether

he is black or white but now you tell me that green is also a possibility.

[IndianaGreen]

104. She stands on the side that voted for the war in Iraq and panders to AIPAC

and she voted to give Bush the authority to hold Syria and Iran accountable. We all know what happened the last time Bush got the authority for anything.

[lyonn]

12. She is working up a head of steam.

Hitting lots of important stuff, Katrina, troops, etc.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

15. Is CNN covering this? nt

[lyonn]

27. Yes, and now she is hammering the voting situation!

[marmar]

13. She's not a natural speaker, but she's definitely gotten better....

But there's still something robotic about her. Obama's much more of a natural, and Bill Clinton could give a speech about Heinz ketchup being better than Hunt's and it would sound unbelievably profound.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

17. she's not a podium speaker, but she's holding her own

she's more of a town hal person, but she's doing great.

[eleny]

24. I changed the channel

She just doesn't reach me.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

30. each to their own

She reaches my heart :)

[eleny]

37. When she gives speeches, I've become uncomfortable

So, it's definitely some chemistry that doesn't mesh with me.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

42. well I had strong women figures in my life

That might be it :P.

[eleny]

47. Are you proud of that response?

I wouldn't be if I were you. You directly implied that I don't have strong women in my life. Women like mother who lived through the Great Depression - who had to leave school at age 14 and try to find work to help support the family. And a grandmother who came to America at the age of 15. She had to travel without a companion all the way from Lithuania in 1912.

All I can say is that you ought to be ashamed of yourself for saying what you said to me.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

51. so you want to compare our mothers now? ok

When my mother came to united states, she didn't know how to speak any english. Do you know how hard it is to live in a country without knowing the language? Most of her family was in another country, so she didn't have a close family support system. She had to make a living by doing odds and end jobs, until she could get english lessons at a community college.

My grandmother, lived in the country side where the Japanese empire had a strangle hold on the country. Do you even know how it's to live under colonial rule? When another country forces to you to change your name and forces to deny your own culture?

Remember you're the one that wanted to compare mothers and grandmothers. I just was stating a fact that I had strong women in my life, until you assume to put words in my mouth.

And yes I'm proud to defend the women in my life. I am proud and LOUD!! You'll never be able to take away by heritage. NEVER!!

[eleny]

52. I wasn't the one who tried to make comparisons

I never even made being a woman the issue in the campaign. You did. Now you want to turn the tables. That doesn't wash in the real world.

Go ahead and take the last word if you wish. I'm done with you.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

53. last word- thanks for admitting defeat like a champ

:)

[ShortnFiery]

54. You are irrepressible ... and it shows. n/t

[ProudToBeLiberal]

55. she's the one that said I had the last word.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3144783&mesg_id=3144904

[ShortnFiery]

56. I rest my case.

IMO, you bullied your way into winning the argument but, as a consequence, trashed your credibility.

Bravo. :applause:

[ProudToBeLiberal]

58. ::high five::

how old are you if I might be so bold to ask?

[Monkeyman]

14. Ladies and Gentlemen we have a horse race

[IndianaGreen]

18. Clintons bring too much baggage to the table and...

Hillary is reading her speech.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

21. obama read his speech too

you can see him looking down and turning the pages.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

23. she said that the civil right movement help her as a woman.

[IndianaGreen]

50. Historically, Susan B. Anthony, the suffragettes, and Betty Friedan had more of an impact

The trail blazers of the women's rights movement were invariably socialist, anarchist, very liberal, and in some cases, lesbians. To those of my generation, who can forget a Betty Freidan, Bellah Abzug, Anne Quindlan, Eleanor Roosevelt, Barbara Jordan, Emily Dickinson? Or the ones that came before them, women of great stature and courage such as Emma Goldman, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and others. Women that were persecuted, put in prison, and in Goldman's case, kicked out of the country.

The civil rights movement did not deal with women's rights, and civil rights leaders were often at odds with the women's movement. There was a racial divide, which still exist today. Groups such as the Nation of Islam, as well as others, saw the role of Black women as one subservient and supportive of Black men. They saw with suspicion the feminist movement which they considered primarily to be made up of middle class white women.

I will also point out that a lot of the opposition to LGBT rights also comes from the same Black pastors that speak about civil rights.

Let's not get historically inaccurate in a rush to appear part of the crowd.

[amandabeech]

103. Fortunately, the '64 Civl Rights Act banned discrimination in education

and the workplace on the basis of gender. That legislation has had a tremendous effect on many women's lives.

And to think that gender was included as a means to keep the male congresscritters from voting for it.

Of course, it would not have happened without the pioneers!

[IndianaGreen]

106. As long as gays and lesbians are second class citizens

we won't reach the dream of equality under the law. DOMA and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" were setbacks to civil rights.

[amandabeech]

125. I agree. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

33. He only read when he was quoting Scripture

the rest was done without notes; just for the record...

But let's not quibble; two good speeches. Another step forward for each candidate in the marathon.

[Benhurst]

68. "He only read when he was quoting Scripture... ." That does it!

How can I be expected to vote for a man who doesn't know the Good Book by heart?

:rofl:

I really think the campaigns have started too early.

All our energies at this time should be directed to putting a stop to The Bush Crime Family's treason.

[BeyondGeography]

114. The campaigns have indeed started too early

which is the best I can say for your otherwise worthless post.

[Benhurst]

118. I'll try not to let your counterproductive reply influence my feelings

about "your" candidate. Way to win people over! It sure works with this
contributer to his 2004 campaign.

Obama had better be charismatic,indeed, given support such as yours. Not every campaign has a Jeri Ryan to propel it to victory.

[Connie_Corleone]

45. Most of the speech was not read.

[lyonn]

38. Gee, if only we could have Clark follow.

This would be a good political day.

[Pithy Cherub]

19. Props to Hillary for mentioning Obama

and Richardson and herself getting a chance! :applause:

[IndianaGreen]

40. Echoes of Lucretia Borgia

Nothing like getting a compliment from Hillary, one just have to wait for the next shoe to drop.

[Tellurian]

60. It would be refreshing if you knew anything other than criticism

otherwise...Shaaaadup!

[IndianaGreen]

63. Hillary takes the high road while her henchman Carville takes the low blow

We ain't seen nothing yet!

[Tellurian]

64. Fine by me..That is the way Wars are fought..

In case you've never been in one..

You probably fight behind your computer screen and never
have to exert yourself with more than a few extra keystrokes.

[Forkboy]

69. Pssssst....IG is a veteran I believe

Just so you know.

[IndianaGreen]

77. and a Veteran for Peace at that

We are doing our shindig again this year on March 17 and 19. We are reading the names of the fallen at Democracy Plaza on the IUPUI campus, and on the other day we are participating with other groups on a march at the center of Indianapolis, the same place where we march in February 2003 (during a snow storm).

[Forkboy]

83. It's too bad that unlike you some use their service (if he did serve) as a debate tool

in an online forum just to try to score cheap points.

[Tellurian]

93. My brother was killed in Cambodia..

I march as well, to place a Memorial Wreath on the square dedicted to him at McCoy Stadium.

His name is pvt. John F. Maloney, he was a medic in Vietnam.

[Forkboy]

98. I'm sorry about your brother.

Truly.

But what about you? Did you serve? If not,don't you think you owe IG an apology?

And if you did,I'm indebted to you.But why use it as a weapon?It cheapens those who serve,including your brother.

[Tellurian]

99. I think it's best if you butt out of everyones business..

[Forkboy]

101. You made the assertion on a public message board

YOU brought it up trying to smear IG and made yourself look foolish.Now,instead of having the guts and decency to apologize you try to backtrack by using your brother's death as a cover for your shitty comments directed at IG.

That's beyond sick. :puke:

[Tellurian]

109. No one tried to smear anyone...If you want to lie about facts...be my guest!

I don't need to apologize to anyone. My brother's death is a matter of public record.
Sorry, I can't say the same for the resident antagonist.

[Forkboy]

112. Do you even believe your own bullshit?

No one tried to smear anyone

That's the way wars are fought...In case you've never been in one..

You probably fight behind your computer screen and never
have to exert yourself with more than a few extra keystrokes.

Hellllooooooo? :eyes:

Wait,I'm sure you meant that in the best way,right?

To quote Hillary's husband,"When you find yourself in a hole quit digging."

If you want to lie about facts

What lies might those be?

Keep digging......

[IndianaGreen]

74. Yeah, like that cold day in February 2003 when I stood with hundreds of peace marchers

right across the street from an exclusive Republican club trying to get our "leaders" to stop Bush's plunge into a war in Iraq. Where were you then?

[Forkboy]

84. Think you'll get an apology?

I mean,that would be the classy thing to do.

So I wouldn't hold your breath.

:hi:

[tridim]

20. She's giving a great speech, with real passion

I'm pretty much shocked she's doing so well. Guess I'm going to have to finally admit it, she's doing much better than I thought she would.

Be VERY afraid Republics. I know you are. :)

[chimpymustgo]

34. She did a good job. Man, we've got some good candidates to choose from.

After listening to Obama earlier...he's VERY good. Nice touch of Clinton to bring him up.

[rodeodance]

41. Nice to hear this. thanks. I missed -except for last few lines.

[ShortnFiery]

48. Yes, as I recall Saint Reagan was a Pro at speachmaking too. n/t

[Ron Green]

25. Unlike Bill, Hillary has no Negritude.

Bill grew up in the small-town South with the richness of black culture and the vestiges of Jim Crow all around him, while Hillary was a kid from the mostly white suburban Midwest. She'll never be able to speak with the kind of groove Bill has with a black audience.

[Tellurian]

61. Nevertheless, she's welcomed his negritude with open arms..

she's embracing his historical past because of the struggles, perseverance and respect imbued in MLK..
She acknowledges her husband was always on the right path.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

26. uses similes of staying awake to continue the fight nt

[Snellius]

28. Let's be honest

Hillary needs more than crash courses in public speaking.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

32. let's not be bias

She's awesome!

[Colobo]

46. She's OK, could be better, but OK.

[rodeodance]

29. thanks. just joining you all.

[rodeodance]

31. whow. I like: "We have a march to finish"

[ProudToBeLiberal]

35. I like how should said we need to stay awke to finish the march nt

[Alhena]

36. She sounds strange when she tries to speak loudly

some people just don't have the voice for energetic speeches in large venues. No fault of her own, but Hillary is one of those people. And when she tries to make up for it, she does it by sounding almost robotic - a strange, nasally sing-song to her voice. I thought what she said today was fine, but she just sounded odd saying it. Didn't sound natural at all.

[lyonn]

49. I must be tone deaf, didn't hear it.

[Monkeyman]

39. She did good Obama and her will take this to the wire

If Clark does not get in

[ElizabethDC]

43. She's a much better speaker than people give her credit for

of course she's not as good as Bill is, but few (if any) are. Her speeches are often a bit dry, but she does know how to show passion when it's required.

[wyldwolf]

66. She's a much better speaker than people on DU want her to be

[Tellurian]

67. they're into 'saving face' mode..

They hate to admit Hillary has the right stuff.

The excuses are getting lamer.. A good sign imo..

[ProudToBeLiberal]

44. how are they spinning this on cnn? nt

[Tellurian]

70. MSNbc is all about Obama

exactly the way I perceived they'd play it.

Obama's rhetoric is hollow and not impassioned.

He certainly has the right words, but he's no MLK!!!

[Forkboy]

72. "...but he's no MLK!!!"

Is that the standard? If so all the candidates are in big trouble.

[Tellurian]

76. Don't be ridiculous!

In his speech he says, "He's standing on the Shoulders of Giants"!

gimme a break! Ten steps behind maybe!

feh!

[Colobo]

75. Hillary is not even close to MLK either

That's a not a fair standard to judge our candidate on.

[Tellurian]

79. Obama's doing the associating..

I've just put it in perspective!

[Colobo]

81. You are a rabid Hillarite. I'm a Obamaniac. We will hardly agree on anything.

[Tellurian]

85. I'm not rabid at all...you're suffering from tunnel vision..

anyone who doesn't support Obama, you consider your enemy.

I understand that premise quite well.

I'm convinced the right candidate for the presidency is Hillary.
No other candidate compares in her work ethic and experience,
Whether you want to admit it or not. Talk is cheap. As well as oratory skills.

[Colobo]

You are not my enemy; we just don't agree.

You have your opinion about Hillary, and I have mine about Obama. I'm as convinced as you are, and don't get me wrong, I respect Hillary and her supporters.

There are no enemies here, just people with different opinions but with a common goal.

[Tellurian]

97. I hear you.. This is the Hillary thread after all...is it NOT?

[Forkboy]

91. This is where you go wrong.

Whether you want to admit it or not.

Putting aside the total arrogance on display,who the hell has to admit that your OPINION is correct.You do know what an opinion is,don't you?

Talk is cheap these days indeed.

[Connie_Corleone]

78. Well, thank goodness you're the only one comparing him to MLK.

Obama is a very effective speaker in his own right. There's no need to compare him to anyone.

[Tellurian]

80. Moi... Obama says he's standing on the Shoulder's of Giants..

who do you think he's talking about...that lived in the moment he's reliving?

Santa Clause?

[Connie_Corleone]

82. This thread is supposed to be about Clinton's speech.

Look. Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind about Obama.

We get it already. You don't like Obama. Can we stick to the Clinton speech?

[Tellurian]

86. Relax, CC... I know what the thread title is..

so, just cool your jets!

[Connie_Corleone]

87. Someone upthread deserves an apology from you.

You might want to take a look.

[snowbear]

89. Connie, you rock...

You just do! ~~

[Forkboy]

92. *SNARF*

:thumbsup:

That post illustrated a lot,didn't it?

[Tellurian]

96. I responded..you take a look!

[Connie_Corleone]

105. Oh, you responded alright....but no apology.

Someone is going to be the nominee. It doesn't make sense to demonize one candidate over another. What if your candidate doesn't win and Obama does? If Hillary Clinton wins, then I'll support her in the general election. I'm not going to demonize her because I happen to support Obama.

It's one thing to support your candidate, but to continue to bash another candidate just to prop Hillary up is stupid and it turns potential Hillary supporters off.

[Tellurian]

111. I haven't demonized anyone. Because you say I did, doesn't make it true.

That is your opinion and you're entitled to it.
However, your opinion hasn't earned the right to carry any weight with me.

So, a bit of advise. Don't hold your breath waiting for apology that isn't forthcoming.

[Connie_Corleone]

113. LOL!! Like I care what you think of my well informed opinion.

That's a good one! :rofl: :rofl:

Go ahead and turn off potential Hillary supporters. All the better for the other candidates.

Keep up the good work! Have a great evening!

LOL!! :rofl:

(ADVICE ;) )

[mtnsnake]

120. No you did not demonize anyone. Not even close.

I've been around here long enough to know that, while you and I have disagreed more than once on who will win between Obama and Hillary, you have never run around demonizing Democrats. Quite the contrary.

[mtnsnake]

119. You're dead wrong to say that Tellurian's been bashing & demonizing any candidates

Saying stuff like that only goes a long ways toward backfiring on yourself.

Obama is my preference, too, and I've been in plenty of threads where Tellurian has shown him nothing but respect and admiration, so enough with spinning it like Tellurian's some kind of a Democrat basher. I know Tellurian is not anything like that in the least. In fact, it's shame that more people here don't stick up for Democrats as much as Tellurian does.

[Forkboy]

121. Not the candidates,just anybody he doesn't agree with here.

See upthread for an example of what a fine person he is.

[mtnsnake]

122. Upstream, he or she was accused of demonizing one candidate over another

and that simply is not true. From what I've seen, Tellurian has faithfully stuck up for all Democrats as much or more than anyone in this forum, never demonizing any of them.

If any demonizing is done, perhaps it's of the posters (not you) who asked for it after they went batshit crazy over something or someone and spun tall tales. Sometimes bashing a poster's extreme idolization of a candidate gets mistaken for bashing that candidate.

[Connie_Corleone]

123. My opinion of Tellurian is based on the comments on this thread.

I didn't come on this thread and start spewing anti-Hillary rhetoric like Tellurian did with Obama. The thread isn't even about him.

Until I see a comment in the future that refutes what I've seen on this thread, my opinion about Tellurian stands as is.

[Pirate Smile]

71. They had John Fund (WSJ RW hack) on with the rest being supposed

straight journalists - Ron Brownstein, Candy Crowley, not sure about the other - maybe Anne Kornblut.

Fund said Clinton's speech may have read better then Obama's but that didn't translate into the giving of the speech THEN he talked about how she mentioned the "canard" of voter suppression which isn't true, the Civil Rights Commission never found any voter suppression, blah, blah, blah.

I hate it when they pair standard journalists with RW opinion people and treat them all the same. So you have the journalists who just say bland stuff but then get a RW spin from the hack. It tilts everything to the right and the journalists never call the RW'ers on their BS.

[Mme. Defarge]

90. I was put off

by her fake Southern accent and her drippingly patronizing comments at the beginning of her speech. Changed the channel.

[ElizabethDC]

95. her southern accent isn't fake

she did live in Arkansas for nearly 20 years. Her Southern accent comes and goes . . . the same thing happens to me, now that I don't live in the South anymore.

[Forkboy]

107. I doubt it's fake

I'm a New Englandah and my accent comes and goes,usually in relation to my level of anger :)

[ElizabethDC]

108. LOL, yep

my accent gets sharper either when I'm around other Southerners or when I'm cranky :7

[chieftain]

100. Obama an Clinton were both very effective an I am proud

of both of them.

[proud patriot]

102. spot on

I couldn't agree more :hi:

[NDP]

126. Her voice is absolutely irritating