Washington State has 2 Words for Sen. Patty Murray (D) - "Recall Murray"

[peacetheonlyway]

These are critical times for the Washington Impeachment movement. Could anyone reading DU help us send letters/emails/faxes Senator Patti Murray about supporting Senator Eric Oemig's SB016 bill to call for the House to begin investigations of Bush/Cheney Impeachment? An outline of THE PEOPLE OF WASHINGTON STATE vs. NANCY PELOSI is written on this site:

http://www.democrats.com/node/12168
http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/state_wa.html
***** FORM LETTER TO SEND TO SENATOR PATTI MURRAY OF WASHINGTON STATE

SUPPORT OEMIG'S SB016 / LISTEN TO 17,000 Activists in Washington State calling for Impeachment Investigations!!! or else, we have 2 words for Sen. Murray:

RECALL MURRAY.

Dear Senator Murray:
In the 1980's you led 13,000 parents in a grassroots coalition to save a local preschool program from budget cuts. Today, as a new resident to Washington State, I am participating in a grassroots effort of 17,000 Washington State Residents (who signed a petition) and many more who support Senator Oemig's SB 016 Bill to call on the US house to Begin Investigating Impeacthment of Cheney First and then Bush.

DO YOU WANT AIDAN to grow up in a world that lets criminals spend billions of dollars on illegal killing in Iraq? Give political safe haven to criminals that steal billions of dollars that represents precious valuable billions needed for Aidan's future? Do you want the lawless country you and your fellow Senators have endorsed by NOT PROSECUTING the highest crimes and misdemeanors against the citizens of the us, do you want the precedent of a lawless country? Do not put your eggs in the single basket of a Fitzgerald investigation. A single pardon could unravel his years of hard work. We must try 20 strategies and push all envelopes to see which one will eventually lead to the imprisonment of Bush/ Cheney and Rice. Stop listening to the centrist Decocratic consultants who Pelosi pays to keep us as a party deaf dumb and blind to the real daily abuses of power of that administration. How can you think your Congress will pass any bills when Bush continues to use his "signing statements" to reverse all that you do??? If you continue to ignore 17,000 activists, we have 2 words for you Patti Murray.

RECALL MURRAY!

***** Here are all the ways you can reach Senator Patti Murray:

Email Patti Murray:
http://murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm

Washington, D.C. Office
173 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


Seattle Office
2988 Jackson Federal Building
915 2nd Avenue
Seattle, Washington 98174
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

[w4rma]

1. Dumbest campaign ever. (nt)

[LynneSin]

4. That's the understatement of the year

:D

[ronnykmarshall]

8. No shit ..

Since you CAN'T recall a senator.

[peacetheonlyway]

11. wrongo...

Recall of State Officials

March 21, 2006

Overview

Recall is a procedure that allows citizens to remove and replace a public official before the end of a term of office. Historically, recall has been used most frequently at the local level. By some estimates, three-fourths of recall elections are at the city council or school board level. This brief, however, focuses only on the recall as it applies to state officials.

Recall differs from another method for removing officials from office - impeachment - in that it is a political device while impeachment is a legal process. Impeachment requires the House to bring specific charges and the Senate to act as a jury. In most of the eighteen recall states, specific grounds are not required, and the recall of a state official is by an election.

Eighteen states permit the recall of state officials:

Alaska
Arizona
California
Colorado
Georgia
Idaho


Kansas
Louisiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada


New Jersey
North Dakota
Oregon
Rhode Island
Washington
Wisconsin


The District of Columbia also provides for recalls. Virginia is not listed as a recall state because its process, while requiring citizen petitions, allows a recall trial rather than an election. In at least 29 states (some sources place this number at 36), recall elections may be held in local jurisdictions.

[eyesroll]

17. Is a Senator a state official? (I would assume she's a U.S. official -- hence, "U.S. Senator", but

what do I know?)

:shrug:

[LynneSin]

24. Nope they are not a state official

They are consider a federal one

[hedda_foil]

20. A US Senator (or Representative) is NOT a state official.

US Congressional offices are federal offices.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

85. Impeach federal offices

There's 17,000 people out there that won't be denied.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. right

because STATE constitutions allow it. The US Constitution does not, and Senators are elected according the US constitution.

In the past, I believe some states DID try (and maybe succeed) in recalling Senators, but later Supreme Court rulings have held that only the US consitution can be applied to United States Senators.

[peacetheonlyway]

37. and we can do anything we put our minds to here in Washington

we're happy to start recalling the Friends of Murray who also support
the do nothing stance.

Cantell for instance?

and all laws can be challenged.

Are we all acting like we live in a world that can't be changed?

[MonkeyFunk]

40. LOL

you can't be real.

You can't recall a Senator - period.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

80. RECALL CANTELL IMMEDIATLEY

I'm for the recall of all three of Washington senators, including both senator Cantwell and senator Cantell.

[NoPasaran]

106. Now Washington has THREE senators?

What color is the sky, over there on your world?

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

110. Impeach the Sky!

I'm sick of half measures. This is serious business.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

104. Hopefully, the morons will not prevail in this case. (nt)

[onenote]

43. Agree with you 100% LynneSin

[peacetheonlyway]

15. dumbest inaction by democrats

who think they know the answers to removing an illegal adminstration ever....

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

103. Unquestionably.

This shit makes me hate DU sometimes.

[flamingyouth]

2. You can count me out of this campaign.

What the hell?

[LynneSin]

3. Ho Hum - I'll stick with Patti Murray - she knows why we aren't impeaching now

Because we'll end up with nothing but a hand slap on Bush - which is a joke.

Folks here tend to forget that if we actually want to remove Bush from office we're gonna need at least 12-15 Republican Senators ALSO supporting the impeachment (and that's hoping that all the democrats support it too).

The only one who is "Deaf Dumb & Blind" is anyone who thinks starting an impeachment now will actually do something signficiant like remove the Bush Administration from the White House.

We need investigations - we need to get all this shit to hit the fan so even the republicans know that impeachment is the right thing to do and we get the 2/3rds vote that we need in Senate in order to remove Bush from the White House

A handslap is not enough - it's an insult that could possibly backfire on us and benefit the Republican party

[peacetheonlyway]

9. bottom line

you don't know if we have the votes.

the republicans have surprised us in the past.

also, don't underestimate the activist community.

back in Nixon's era, the democrats of their time would not even be having this conversation.

the impeachment train would be rolling and all focus/money/time/effort would move mountains
to get the votes.

everything else is just armchair democrat strategists asking US ALL TO FORGET the crimes of Bush and company.

I will not forget this. I will not stop till impeachment is underway.

[LynneSin]

16. Ok, so answer me this question

Will Lieberman support the impeachment?

Will we be able to hold on the moderates like Bayh, Carper, Johnson and the Nelsons?

Which of the 49 Republican senators do you think that we will get to support the impeachment - we need a 2/3 majority which means we need 67 senators. So if we get all 49 democrats, the independant (Sanders) and the Independant Democrat (Lieberman), that leaves us with 16 more senators needed to support the impeachment. Which ones will cross the lines. DOn't bother listing just a few of the moderates (which is about 4-5) but the 16 that we can guarentee to support removing Bush.

Please tell me how this is going to happen because the rest of us here at DU would sure as hell like to know.

[peacetheonlyway]

18. DON'T KNOW TILL WE TRY

but one thing can be said when you don't try.

you have NO CHANCE of effecting change.

I'm not saying STOP investigations, I'm saying do both because you can and you will.


and do not underestimate the millions who march yearly on DC to end the war in iraq.
a million people can sway a lot of republican votes.

liebermann is a jellyfish. he'll sway with the wind.

[LynneSin]

26. Well I do know

And all but about 5-7 of the Republican senators out there have voted 'Lock, Stock & Barrel' with the Bush Regime. And since we have one shot at this let's do it right

[peacetheonlyway]

29. that one shot thinking

gets us all killed.

because when iran bombs start landing,
it won't be russia and china sitting on the sidelines.

spill over into american soil it will.

and the clock is ticking with so many armchair brainiacs so sure they know how to stop bush.

[LynneSin]

64. Yep and it'll still happen if we impeach him with less than 67 senators

Except for now the country will be fed-up with the "Impeachment Frenzy" that the media will be pushing trying to make this into another Clinton impeachment.

Sorry, I'm not here to benefit the Republican Party. Let's do this right - get these investigations rolling and get the news out there about the corruption - build a case, don't assume we have it

[peacetheonlyway]

66. what investigations

the Congress has been in session over 3 months and other than crying over some fired lawyers,
what is Congress investigating?

[LynneSin]

71. You need to watch some more C-Span - seriously

Hell I get home from work and I can turn on any of the C-Span sessions and usually they have something on LIVE, especially on C-Span2 & 3 - they'll have committees on there. I watched some of the investigation from Biden's committee (Foreign Relations) and I also know that Levin has stuff going on with Armed Services. And it's not just about the war that's being investigated - Walter Reed, Energy Policies writen by the Oil Industry, no-bid contracts. This is just a start

Seriously, do yourself a favor - learn a little bit before you start posting a dumb statement like that. Democrats are doing a ton of stuff with investigation but these things don't happen overnight

[conscious evolution]

94. Are you sure we have one shot

Seems to me like there are so many high crimes and misdemeanors this administration is guilty of that we have plenty of ammo.Who says we have to impeach over everything at one time.I am beginning to think we should push for impeachment for one thing at a time.Begin Impeachment for one thing.When it goes to Senate for trial start another Impeachment for another crime.Then when it goes ti Senate start impeachment proceedings on yet another crime.
Lather,Rince,Repeat as needed.
Sooner or later the pukes will see the handwriting on the wall and vote for conviction.

[onenote]

45. we do know how many repubs voted against cloture on the non-binding

resolution against chimpy's surge, notwithstanding large majorities against the surge according to public opinion polls. Under the circumstances, what evidence at all do you have that these same folks would suddenly decide to support impeachment?

Heck, I'm not convinced that a majority of House members would vote for impeachment, or support an impeachment inquiry at this point in time. All it would take is around 16 Democratic house members to defect, and given that virtually no House Democrats ran on, let alone were elected on, a platform that included impeachment as one of their campaign promises, I suspect finding 16 Democrats who don't want to deal with this wouldn't be hard.

[peacetheonlyway]

46. WE HAVE TO TRY

and if we get impeachment investigations,
those subpoenas will carry serious weight and get to heart of problems
that a single invesgiation on a single issue cannot get to the heart of.

impeachment is the BEST WAY TO INVESTIGATE Bush.

I am convinced that pressure from citizens can get the necessary house votes to move it out of the house.

[onenote]

49. impeachment is not the best way to investigate

Characterizing hearings and investigations as part of the impeachment process isn't necessary. Democrats can and should be conducting hearings and investigations as part of their oversight responsibilities. Connecting it to impeachment before there is bi-partisan support for impeachment, is foolhardy. If the investigations/hearings produce the kinds of disclosures that we hope, then public sentiment in favor of impeachment will build. Its simply not there yet.

[peacetheonlyway]

56. we've been in session now for almost 3 months

give me ONE SINGLE DEMOCRATIC investigation that has to do with iraq.

the congressional folks need to do their friggin jobs.

they must be told by citizens what that job is...

[MonkeyFunk]

75. almost 3 months?

It's been 2 months.

Your understanding of "almost" is even worse than your understanding of the constitution.

[Capn Sunshine]

91. What the Hell? Is Henry Waxman a figment of my imagination?

Waxman's vast oversight committee is currently pursuing investigations of
the Iraq war runup and media complicity
War profiteering
Corruption within defense contractors
The Adminstration's skewing of Global warming evidence

and that's off the top of my head.

[peacetheonlyway]

13. ok, let's pursue investigations

hmmm... which DC court judge has NOT BEEN replaced by Bush.

hmm... with the Fitgeral investigations, name one person, Libby, Cheney, whoever that Fitzgerald gets a solid conviction that BUSH IS NOT ABLE TO PARDON?

what part of you is unable to consider a two pronged strategy in case the centrist democrat consultants who are guiding Pelosi all the way down to state senators might be WRONG as it was in the past on censure an other areas where the senate DID NOT REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE>

regardless of what you feel personally, the citizens of washington demand impeachment from Murray and she is not doing her job to listen to us.

the majority in this state want impeachment.

[LynneSin]

21. The majority in this country want impeachment

Who are we kidding?

But when we have 46% of the 109th Congress with an 80% or better 'Conservative Rating' we have alot of work ahead of us.

http://www.conservative.org/archive2/vicechairsummary.asp

Sure, we got rid of folks like Allen, Santorum, Talent and Burns but the best we could do is possibly knock that number now down to 40% with an 80% or better rating.

[onenote]

52. which DC court judge has not been replaced by Bush? Most of them haven't

On the US District Court for the District of Columbia, a majority of the active judges are Clinton appointees. Only 4 of 13 were appointed by chimpy. On the Court of Appeals, only three of 10 were appointed by chimpy, although a majority were appointed by repub presidents (2 by Reagan, 2 by Bush I, 3 by Clinton, and 3 by chimpy.)

[peacetheonlyway]

54. easy to get judges reassigned

it's a slippery slope to depend that the right judge get assigned.


whereas immediate investigation BY DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN would commence immediately.

please watch this video of NM citizens asking for a simple invesigation.

I'm getting goosebumps to see the courage of these NM people
http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=442

[rinsd]

100. How clueless can you get?

So far you have called for the recall of a Senator which is not allowed by the Constitution.

You have said Congress has been in session for almost 3 months when its all of Mar 6th.

You claim no investigations have happened when there are hearings underway.

You claim Bush has replaced all the judges but that was proven wrong with an easy google search.

So how about you quiet down for a second and educate yourself because you do your cause a great disservice by being so uninformed about basic things.

[Greeby]

5. Asking a Senator for impeachment

Is like asking a bull to produce milk :eyes:

[Fenris]

6. Oh yeah, that will accomplish a lot.

She's absolutely right to avoid such a pointless action.

[zbdent]

7. I wonder ... if we impeach him and (of course, without the super-majority

of the Senate - ) he wasn't CONVICTED,

Would he be able to weasel out of war crimes trials on "double indemnity"???

[peacetheonlyway]

10. ask any European country

that has as their goal the arrest of Bush/Cheney if they set foot in their country.

Milosovic was tried, and so can Bush.

regardless of impeachment efforts.

this EITHER (investigation) OR (impeachment) Thinking is killing any chance of concensus on both.

[zbdent]

22. They should be able to detain him now

and then you would see Repukes calling for actions which would make their mythical version of Elian Gonzales' return to his family look like the Walton family reunions at Christmas ...

[NoPasaran]

107. Could you actually name one of those European countries?

And then you might want to google "sovereign immunity"

[MonkeyFunk]

12. Umm....

there's so much wrong with that, it's hard to know where to begin.

So instead, I'll just say "no thanks".

[peacetheonlyway]

14. the sound of mass inaction by democrat activists

is deafening...

the inaction is so loud my ears are exploding....

[Fenris]

19. Inaction?

This is a pointless, stupid campaign, and should be soundly rejected by anyone with a basic civics education and an ability to do basic math.

[LynneSin]

23. No, it's the sound of people not wanting to shoot ourselves in the damn foot

:D

I can assure you that I've done alot of work with way too many of these DUers and inactive is hardly a word I would use to describe any of them. I think we have people who are smart enough to realize what it'll take to impeach AND remove a pREsident from the White House and are working their asses off to get the investigation ball rolling

[peacetheonlyway]

28. how is your investigation theory working?

the friggin jury has not even done a slam dunk libby conviction.

i'm not sure a year from now, the world will be a better place that you succeeded on a DU argument thread and the Bush administration is simply out of office and the lame dems that could not even support censure, or impeachment, have lost most their investigation attempts with Bush Judge appointees or the illegal ways that an all powerful executive branch thwarts a congress that has long been rendered useless.


even if it is only lip service, the US Citizens demand it, a majority of the US citizens voted these democratic majority senators into office to do what we ask and they are shirking their responsibility.

history will see nothing less than this analysis.

[peacetheonlyway]

39. My Thread is higher than yours!!

hee hee...

that makes my day.

[MaineDem]

42. Now that's very adult

And productive.

:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

35. Action

that is guided by pure stupidity and constitutional ignorance is NOT better than inaction. It just makes you look like an idiot.

One cannot recall a US Senator. Also, Senators do NOT vote on impeachment. Any knowledgeable person would laugh at that letter.

[peacetheonlyway]

38. THe point of the SB016

bill is to demand the House begin impeachment investigations which
would allow subpoenas and other vehicles to elicit a whole torrent of truth
about what has been happening behind closed doors.

When Patty Murray said she has 2 words for the activists demanding this bill (the over 17K washinton folks who signed the petition) and she said "Dick Cheney" she showed her ignorance that we are thinking way to far ahead of ourselves. Her trying to convince democrat State Senators in Washington not to back the bill put her in the crosshairs of a fight she is on the wrong side of.

start impeachment hearings and let the information found by subpoena to guide the order (cheney first then bush) in which we impeach.

the mere act of trying, even if we lose the ultimate goal of impeaching will elicit such a torrent of great information and facts, that investigations and many other actions will come from that information.


not doing anything however, Murray admits she has courage in many ares of her life, but not the one area that her constituents put her in office to fight for...

[MonkeyFunk]

41. A prosecutor doesn't

indict before investigating. You don't impeach, THEN hold hearings.

You investigate, then if there's sufficient evidence, you indict (aka, impeach).

Seriously, this is the dumbest thread I've seen in a long time.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

81. Can you please post links

Nobody voted for Patty Murray because of her pro-impeachment stance.

I'll PayPal you a billion dollars for every instance wherein she said she would on the campaign trail. I'm contacting my banks in Geneva, so fucking get on it.

[SemperEadem]

25. you might want to run that letter past another set of eyes before mailing it out

"DO YOU WANT AIDAN to grow up in a world that let's criminals spend billions of dollars on illegal killing in Iraq? "

1. Who is Aidan?
2. It's "lets", as in allows, not "let's" as in possessive of let.

This would probably be discounted on that first sentence alone and dismiss those who send it as a bunch of loonies, even though it is right on the money.

[flamingyouth]

27. Plus her name is "Patty," not "Patti."

But really, does it matter at this point?

[peacetheonlyway]

30. consider it fixed

consider it fixed..

it all matters very much.

these are very serious times.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

87. Impeach Correct Spelling!

These are very serious times.

[Richardo]

31. And it's 'on this site' not 'on this sight'

Which is where I stopped reading

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

84. Then you missed out

He's impeaching everybody.

[regnaD kciN]

32. I have two words for you...

...GROW UP! :spank:

You may recall Patty Murray was the one Democratic senator from this state who didn't vote to give President Bush a blank check in Iraq (as distinct from, say, John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and our own Maria Cantlistentoherconstituentswell). She was also the Publican subject of a smear campaign last election that suggested she was an al-Qaeda sympathizer. So, now we're supposed to turn on her for not backing an impeachment effort that has zero chance of success (because there are enough Publican supporters of Bush in the Senate to make obtaining a conviction impossible)?

This truly is an example of the legendary "Democratic firing squad" -- whose first instructions are "stand in a circle." :crazy:

[MaineDem]

34. Very good point!

A good reason this is a dumb idea.

[peacetheonlyway]

36. all POLITICS IS LOCAL

the suffrage movement started from GROUND UP.

as did the civil rights movement.

as now the impeachment movement.

We are grown up. Check the video and footage of the last 3 DC marches where over a million people get in cars, buses, planes, etc. to tell BUSH NO.

We are not telling Congress NO.

This is not symbolic. Congress is the representative of the people. if they do not do what they are told, we have power to evict them enmasse.

if we cannot evict Federal senators, we can start by evicting governors and anyone who does not consider the seriousness of the need HOWEVER SYMBOLIC to tell the world the US congress does not condone the acts of Bush.

winning is less important than trying.

from this thread, I'm embarrassed to call myself a democrat or an American and can see the kind of childish armchair strategy going on all over the country.


our children will be the benefactor of an economy that can no longer bear the billions we spend on proving what??? that Bush still has power to do anything he wants.

[MonkeyFunk]

44. You really ought to

read the US Constitution. I'm sure you can find a copy online.

[peacetheonlyway]

47. WE CAN RECALL Gregoire The Governor

and begin grassroots organizing to oust Murray because of this
one very ill guided time in her carer.


we can mount serious democratic candidates to oppose their next
run for office.

we have so much power you cannot even imagine.

[MonkeyFunk]

51. The only way you can oust Murray

is to have someone else elected the next time she's up. And now you want to recall Gregoire? It's senseless.

Seriously, again I suggest you read the US Constitution - there's a wealth of good information in there.

[peacetheonlyway]

53. If New Mexico Passes the Bill

Then Congress has to begin Impeachment investigations.

The will of the people is making itself heard.

How do any of you on this thread ignore 800 people showing up at Washington hearings and NOT A SINGLE PERSON OPPOSED TO the SB016 bill?

how can any of you ignore the will of an 800 to 0 citizen demand for impeachment?

[MonkeyFunk]

55. No they do NOT

have to begin investigations.

Seriously, please read the constitution.

[peacetheonlyway]

57. Yes, they do..

http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/statebasis.html

History of State Initiated Impeachment

Impeachment is normally initiated by a Member of the US House of Representatives. But there is another way that impeachment can be started. This mechanism was first promoted by blogs from arbortender and Kagro X.

According to the Jefferson Manual, a State Legislature can initiate impeachment through their Representative in the House. Section LIII on Impeachment, section 603 states :

"In the House there are various methods of setting an impeachment in motion: ... by charges transmitted from the legislature of a State (III, 2469) ..."

The (III, 2469) refers to the Hinds Precedents, section 2469. It tells of how in 1903 the Florida legislature passed a bill to impeach a corrupt US District Judge named Charles Swayne. With the power of a joint resolution from his home state behind him, Mr. William B. Lamar, of Florida, claiming the floor for a question of privilege, said:

"Mr. Speaker, I believe that the impeachment of a civil officer by this House is a question of privilege. I have made a joint resolution adopted by the legislature of the State of Florida a part of the resolution which I desire to submit to this House for its adoption. In pursuance of this joint resolution of the legislature of the State which I have the honor in part to represent, I impeach Charles Swayne, judge of the northern district of the State of Florida, of high crimes and misdemeanors;"

The house voted to bypass the Judiciary Committee and ordered the investigation of Judge Swayne.

A House Representative can always initiate impeachment by introducing a resolution as a question of privilege. But after consultation with senior staff in the US House of Representatives, we have determined that a state can initiate impeachment without requiring that a Member introduce the resolution. This does not mean that a state can give a mandate to Congress to start impeachment. But it gives the states a mechanism by which impeachment may be initiated if acted upon by Congress.

Impeachment charges from a state can be sent to the Speaker of the House of Representatives. The charges from a city should be marked with the word “Petition” at the top, and bear the authorizing signature of the Secretary of State from that state. The Speaker will route the petition through the Parliamentarian office to the Clerk. The Clerk must then note in the Congressional Journal that the charges were received. The charges will then be referred to the House Judiciary Committee for consideration.

The Judiciary Committee may then investigate the charges, draft Articles of Impeachment and submit them to the floor of the House for a vote. It is also possible that the Committee may ignore the charges. That will depend on the ever shifting political situation and cannot be predicted. But the fact that success is not guaranteed does not relieve the state legislature of their obligation to do whatever they possibly can to defend the United States Constitution according to their oath of office.

The Jefferson Manual LIII, Section 604 also states:

"A direct proposition to impeach is a question of high privilege in the House and at once supersedes business otherwise in order under the rules governing the order of business".

Note that in order to have Privilege, the proposition to impeach must be introduced by a Member, or by a House Committee. Read more about "privilege" and how it relates to impeachment.
Resources

* "Messages, Petitions, Communications, and Memorials to Congress" by Paul Rundquist, CRS Report to Congress, 8/5/03

[MonkeyFunk]

59. sorry

you're simply wrong.


"The Judiciary Committee may then investigate the charges, draft Articles of Impeachment and submit them to the floor of the House for a vote. It is also possible that the Committee may ignore the charges."



And no "rule" of the house can supercede the US Constitution.

I'm constantly amazed at how many people glom onto this so-called Jefferson rule as if it were some overriding, and heretofore secret provision. It's always been known - the House publishes these rules every session.

If you can't get ONE representative to offer a bill of impeachment now, no urging from any state will or can force it.

[onenote]

63. No. They. Don't.

First, let's see whether New Mexico, or Maine, or Vermont, or any other state actually passes a bill calling for impeachment. Then, even if they do, see what happens. Which will be nothing. The Constitution (as suggested by others, you should read a copy) states quite clearly that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole power of impeachment." (Art.I, Section 2).

If a state or city or anyone else presents Congress with a resolution calling for impeachment, it still would take a member of Congress to introduce the resolution. And that raises the question: if there is a member of Congress willing to do so, why doesn't he/she just introduce his/her own resolution? Probably because they know what will happen to it: it will be referred to the House Judiciary Committee where it will be ignored. That's what happened in 1991 when a resolution to impeach Bush I was introduced; even though the Democrats controlled 63 percent of the House seats, no attempt was made to do anything with it by the House Judiciary committee.

[MonkeyFunk]

61. I just noticed you live in Hawaii....

what's this "we" stuff?

[peacetheonlyway]

65. I worked in Hawaii but am a resident now of Washington

argue for your limitations MOnkeyman and sure enough they're yours!

[MonkeyFunk]

69. Yes...

MY limitations are on display here. :eyes:

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

89. Impeach Monkeyman!

No limitations!

[mitchtv]

70. Murray, now the (D) governor Gregoire?

good Republic goals.
I don't wanna hear your Anti-Democratic nonsense. Interesting angle, however shallow. I am not deceived

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

82. SECRET INTERNET POWER

I await only your orders, Governor peacetheonlyway.

[rinsd]

102. What has Gregoire done to deserve recall?

Or is it just a target to lash out at because Murray can't be recalled?

Is that what you are calling for?

Next time break 'em in half.

:eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

48. A RECALL in tennis shoes!

I like it.

But Cantwell goes first.

By a longshot.

[peacetheonlyway]

50. New Mexico Grows a Backbone and Does What Washington Also Trying to Do

The people of washington are not the only smart people demanding impeachment hearings.
GO NEW MEXICO!!! we're with you 100%

this is one of several states (Vermont also trying).

the will of the people is rising up and notwithstanding the few folks on this thread, the tide is turning and the citizens demand and will ultimately win impeachment hearings.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3146772

[AX10]

58. I will work to crush this campaign!

This is the dumbest thing I have read in some time. You want to recall Patty Murray so that some crapbag like Dino Rossi can get a chance at that seat? :wtf:

[peacetheonlyway]

60. go for it!

it's YOU agains 17K folks in Washington and probably so many more in New Mexico and Vermont.

the citizens will succeed.

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[LynneSin]

67. Look on the bright side - if you read the thread you're in good company

Most folks find this a total waste of time.

Patti Murray is the safest thing in that seat and she's a pretty decent senator compared to some of the stuff we have out there. Maybe I'm just an idealist but after having Rick Santorum as my senator for 8 years, I'm a bit more forgiving with democratic senators - probably why I'm a big fan of the guys I have now that I'm in Delaware

[AX10]

68. I agree. I approve of the job she is doing.

[peacetheonlyway]

72. I was quoted in USA Today

as saying that Rick Santorum threatens everyone not just gays.
I hated him more than anyone and spoke truth to power in the largest paper in the nation.


I think you'll find that considerable and ongoing pressure from citizens while not immediately,
will eventually have success in turning the tides.

I saw one citizen change the fate of Rumsfeld when she stood up and called him a war criminal in an Atlanta visit. That elicited a former CIA member Ray McGovern to call Rumsfeld out for his lie about WMD and that made national news. not less than a few months later, Rummy was out.

one citizen, however seemingly small our activities do in the long run, like dominoes have an effect that will drive this administration to FULL ACCOUNTABILITY for their crimes.

we may differ in how, but I'll note that those on this thread agree in principle with me that citizens, congress and everyone NEEDS TO DO MORE to get rid of this corrupt administration.

on that concensus I will rest my case and respectfully agree to disagree with your nebulous 'invesitigations' plea when my plan and the plan of many washingtonians and new mexicans is more solid than yours.

[LynneSin]

73. So was I

Google LynneSin USAToday - Appartently they caught on that I don't watch Network News.

Read this thread and listen to what people are talking about.

Getting rid of Patti Murray is not the solution to your prayers. Getting 'Ma & Pa Voter' out there who do their duty to vote every election but who don't really think much about politics beyond that to understand what is going on with the Bush Regime and get them angry. No, get them FUCKING angry.

That's the action we need. Personally the Patty Murray thing is a waste of time that if anything, would delay the process and weaken a seat that is currently held by one of the more left-leaning senators

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

86. Impeach LynneSin

We have to be devoted to changing the world!

[LynneSin]

95. What happens if I get impeached

Gitmo?

:scared:

[onenote]

108. nothing. the votes aren't here to remove you from the office DU member

You're safe!!

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

111. Why aren't you taking this seriously?

The future of the country is at stake.

[onenote]

74. oooh...17K....oooh....

Murray received over 1.5 million votes in 2004; Cantwell, who is generally perceived as less progressive than Murray, received almost 1.2 million just four months ago. I don't know whether the Green, Libertarian or Indpendent party candidates in Washington advocated impeachment, but if they did, it didn't get them very many votes and if they didn't, doesnt' that suggest that, just maybe, your assumption about the extent to which the voters of Washington state want impeachment is a tad overstated?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

105. Let me know if I can help. (nt)

[ncteechur]

76. Yeah, that's good for our side--let's turn on each other.

I'm frustrated as many others are, but it is simply idiotic to turn on each other because we are angry at W and Darth Cheney. Let's remember who has really screwed up the country--it wasn't Patty Murray. These 17K can take a flying leap if all they want to do is to threaten dems because * screwed things up.

[ncteechur]

77. Perhaps a lesson on the Constitution is appropo for these 17K

Impeachment begins in the House of Representatives. They investigate and hold hearings and bring charges. If a majority of the House agrees with those charges, then it moves to the Senate for a trial presided over by the Chief Justice of the US. If 2/3 or the senate (that is 67 votes) agrees that the charges equate to high crimes and misdemeanors, the official is removed from office.

Patty Murray cannot impeach. She would be the jury.

Now is it worth it to impeach--maybe. I first thought no, but have since changed my mind. I think * and Darth should be impeached. Will they be convicted? No.

[MonkeyFunk]

78. but don't you understand?

we must "do something!!!!!1!!1!!!"

Even if that something is pointless, unconstitutional and guaranteed to fail.

[NoPasaran]

109. yeah! Call Congress! Right fucking NOW!!!!

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

79. I have 2 words for you...

Suck less.

You've apparently spent about six seconds actually reading about this, so why not Oemig's own words:

http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2007/03/report_from_the_oemig_hearing

For another, the resolution wasn’t really an impeachment resolution at all. Oemig even opened the hearing by acknowledging that “this is not directly about the war. In fact, it is not even directly about impeachment. It is about getting answers. It is a petition to Congress asking them to do a serious, real investigation.” Among the claims Oemig and his supporters want Congress to investigate: That Bush misled the country into war; that his administration illegally diverted funds toward the war effort; that the administration’s admitted torture of prisoners of war is a war crime.


I offer here and now to pay to castrate each and every one of your so-called 17,000 strong army, just on general principle.

[Suich]

88. This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read!

I don't think I've ever seen anyone quote The Stranger on DU, either! Well done!

:hi:

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

90. The only newspaper in Seattle

Emoticon right back at you.

[peacetheonlyway]

97. The 17K were submitted via petition at the hearing of Said Sen. Oemig

and all that you wrote is why we are demanding action
from the Washington Senate to pass this SB016

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

112. And look!

Impeachment of Senator Murray is already underway!

[mloutre]

83. Sheesh. It's fruitcakes like this that give the rest of us moonbats a bad name.

n/t

[CalebHayes]

92. LOL - forget it!

[Rowdyboy]

93. The logic escapes me. Sick of right-wingers? Then just attack liberal Democrat Patty Murray.....

I'd rather spend my time, money and energy tearing down the Republicans that are blatently trying to steal my country.

The National Journal just listed Murray as the 14th most liberal senator in congress but apparently her voting record and career of service is not enough if she's not lockstep with you 100%. She must be "pure" on the non-issue of impeachment.

Must be nice to be perfect.

[Evergreen Emerald]

96. Murray is one of our own.

Your anger is misplaced. Direct it at the Bush administration.

[rinsd]

98. Ya know it just strikes me as creepy to mention her kid

In addition to the already poiinted out fact that Senators are not subject to recall.

[rinsd]

99. Ya know it just strikes me as creepy to mention her kid

In addition to the already pointed out fact that Senators are not subject to recall.

[Freddie Stubbs]

101. About as likely to happen as her getting arrested for war crimes

[RFKHumphreyObama]

113. I would find this amusing except that the people who wrote this up

Apparently aren't intending this as satire. They really want to get rid of a Senator who votes with the progressive side most of the time, who voted against the IWR and is therefore not morally responsible in any way and who has frequently been a strong critic of the Administration.

If you recall Murray, YOU will decrease the ranks of senate liberals. You will most likely be giving control of the Senate to the Republicans.

I'm sure that whoever replaces Murray in your scenario -George Nethercutt, Dino Rossi, Jennifer Dunn -will be the shining light of progressives and liberals everywhere and will definitely be to the left of that horrible right-winger Murray :sarcasm:

And I'm sorry, bringing up the name of Murray's grandchild on a public petition is way beyond reprehensible. Whatever you think of Murray, her grandson is not responsible for her decisions and should not be used as a political pawn

[Trajan]

114. Off with their Heads !

Off with her Head !

:sarcasm: