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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 05:36 PM
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Dark Horse Candidates for Vice President
The most oft-mentioned potential Democratic running mates are familiar. Mark Warner of Virginia, Evan Bayh of Indiana, Tom Vilsack of Iowa; Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, or Wesley Clark should their presidential bids (or expected bids) fall short. Chris Dodd and Richard Durbin would make good running mates for John Edwards. Also, many have mentioned Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

There are several good names previously listed. But keep in mind that the Vice Presidential pick is often, historically, someone not many people would have expected. Often, the vice presidential spot is filled by someone well-liked in Washington but who may not be all that well-known outside the capital. And from the Democratic side they nearly always come from the Senate. Every Democratic ticket since 1944 has featured a sitting senator as the running mate, 1984 being the only exception (Rep. Geraldine Ferraro). Also, Sen. Tom Eagleton (R.I.P.) was named to the '72 ticket then dropped and replaced with non-senator R. Sargent Shriver.

So who are some people, especially from the Senate, who are generally unheralded and often relatively unknown?

I could actually see Harry Reid on the ticket, although I would bet against it. Reid is generally popular with Democrats, is a feisty and combative campaigner (good for being the "attack dog"), and comes from a swing state (albeit a small one). The downside - some of his pro-corporate and anti-choice stands will make him a potential liability. His governor is a Republican and at 70 he almost certainly wouldn't get the opportunity to run for president himself in 8 years time; he'd probably be in a much more powerful position remaining as Senate Majority Leader.

Among the other names I could throw out there are Sen. Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico. He's a strong environmentalist, has been in the Senate for a couple decades, voted against the Iraq War and is a strong conservationist. His voting record is generally liberal and he is popular in New Mexico. He's also well-liked by his colleagues, known for his good sense of humor while simultaneously low-key. He'll be 65 in 2008, so, like Reid, he may be less likely to run for president in 2016 (when he would be 73). But he remains a possibility and many up-and-coming Democrats (Eliot Spitzer, Illinois State Treasurer Lisa Madigan, Maryland's Martin O'Malley and Chris Van Hollen, etc.) might like a non-heir-apparent vice president so to keep open the nomination for them down the road.

Also worthy of mention are North Dakota's senators Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad. They wouldn't flip a state, but they could give the ticket some gravitas. They're both folksy populists, popular with labor yet acceptable to moderate voters and Conrad I know voted against the Iraq War (I'm less sure about Dorgan). However, unfortunately, like Reid, their governor is a Republican.

Any thoughts on these names? And any names you guys might propose?
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 05:39 PM
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1. Sam Nunn
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 05:44 PM
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3. Sam Nunn was the lead opponent of gays in the military
Although he's moderately pro-choice he basically is a social conservative. Plus he'll be over 70 in 2008.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 06:33 PM
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6. Didn't say he was perfect. But he has immense foreign policy experience.
70 is still younger than McCain would be.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 08:55 PM
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23. The difference is McCain is running for President, not for Veep
Let's assume that Sam Nunn -or for that matter Bob Graham -is selected for the Democratic VP nomination in 2008. Let's also assume that the Democratic presidential ticket wins and the Democratic presidential nominee serves two terms in office. By that time Nunn would be 78 and Graham would be 80. They would not be viable candidates for the presidency.

Of course there could be a mutual agreement that Graham or Nunn would serve for one term as Veep and then be replaced with a younger VP. Or Nunn/Graham could be picked on their experience and knowledge in foreign policy and serve as a VP in a similar capacity as Cheney (in position, not in policy obviously). But the problem with having Nunn or Graham as VP if they have no intention of running for the presidential nomination is it kind of leaves the Administration in essentially a lame duck position for the duration of its second term because everyone knows that you won't be dealing with the two main figures in the Administration when it leaves office

I do think that Gore should have nominated either Graham or Nunn in 2000. Graham would have probably won Florida for Gore and Nunn could have possibly helped Gore win Georgia and perhaps one or two other southern states. I think we probably would have kept Connecticut without Lieberman on the ticket. But what's done is done
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:25 AM
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28. Something like 2 VPs in the past 100 years have been elected president.
Nunn and Graham would be Obama's closest advisors--not political proteges.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 11:16 PM
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26. Isn't Cheney 103 or something?
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AshevilleGuy Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:48 PM
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12. No. He is homophobic. n/t
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 05:42 PM
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2. Richard Holbrooke
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AshevilleGuy Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:49 PM
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13. Yes. n/t
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 10:18 PM
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15. Nobody could out-debate Holbrooke on Iraq/foreign policy.
He completely annihilated William Kristol on Charlie Rose a few months ago.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 05:46 PM
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4. I came across this a week ago:
Published: February 28, 2007 12:26 am
Manchin poised to go national
By Justin D. Anderson
Charleston Daily Mail

CHARLESTON — Some political observers say Gov. Joe Manchin is poised to take his career to the next level.

The first-term governor has been catching the eye of national Democratic Party officials and is getting opportunities to speak before national audiences as he assumes leadership roles in a handful of influential organizations.

On Sunday he was a guest on Fox News talking about energy independence as the chairman-elect of the Democratic Governors Association, a post formerly held by Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico. Richardson is a potential presidential candidate and Manchin ally.

Manchin, 59, also is the chairman-elect of the Southern Governors Association. The governor currently heads the Southern States Energy Board. ...

If Manchin doesn’t become a vice presidential candidate with one contender such as Richardson or another, Rupp said he could probably end up with a cabinet spot.

Richardson would be a “very strong” candidate, Rupp said, mainly because of his participation in immigration issues. And Richardson and Manchin have a lot in common, Rupp said.

Both are prominent governors of currently Republican-leaning swing states. Manchin, who’s up for re-election next year, can draw the Republican vote, Rupp said. That could be attractive to Richardson if that’s a part of his campaign strategy.

Both governors are moderates from relatively small, rural states. Manchin’s popularity in West Virginia would pretty much sew up a win here, Rupp said. ...

http://www.timeswv.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_059002645.html

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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 06:03 PM
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5. Good catch!
Can't say I'm that enthusiastic, but he might be a good candidate.
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Doc_Technical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 06:49 PM
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7. Mike Gravel

n/t
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 06:53 PM
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8. If he doesn't win the nomination or doesn't run, Clark.
Also if they don't win the nomination: Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama& Bill Richardson.

Other names: Mark Warner, John Kerry, Evan Bayh, Dick Durbin& Tom Vilsack.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 07:09 PM
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9. Brian Schweitzer, Kathleen Sebelius or Russ Feingold would be good.....
Edited on Tue Mar-06-07 07:12 PM by Rowdyboy
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Brad Alan-Desjardins Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 07:57 PM
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10. I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary gets the nod
If Vilsack becomes VP if fact most people thought he was just running to posture himself for the position. Conservative Democrats, deep roots in the mid-west and both him and Hillary are DLC so that helps.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:47 PM
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11. I REALLY hope it is someone who is
1. good
2. from a flippable red state

Republicans have an electoral advantage (Gore officially took 266 electoral votes, if our candidate wins the same states as Gore, s/he will only get 260) and we need all the electoral votes we can get.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 10:10 PM
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14. Dick Gephardt
Is beloved by the unions and still has a strong presence in the midwest. He wouldn't lose a Congressional seat.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:31 PM
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16. Former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida
He would be a wonderful choice, in my opinion. He was right about Iraq and the Patriot Act, is from a purple state and has gravitas on foreign policy and security issues.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:38 PM
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17. My pick is Sebelius.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:41 PM
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18. Gen. Anthony Zinni (ret.)
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:53 PM
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21. Not a Democrat, much less a liberal or progressive.
Zinni never has shown the guts to denounce Bush, and instead tries to lay everything at Rumsfeld's doorstep. He seems to has more integrity than your typical Republican... but he's still a Republican.
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gratefultobelib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:49 PM
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19. Rocky Anderson!!!!!
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:42 PM
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20. Mario Cuomo
;)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 08:07 PM
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22. Here's a "Dark Horse." Gore/Brian Schweitzer.
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 08:08 PM by KoKo01
Your analysis of Dems picking Senators is a good one. Hard to go against that call. But, given that Edwards was a One Term Senator...who could he pick? Who WOULD he pick? ...Given that Obama is a One Term Senator....who would he pick...Who COULD he Pick?

So...I'm thinking "DEEP" Dark Horse since all the other candidates were Senators..or ARE SENATORS...then if Gore is the Dark Horse (former Senator and VP)...he just might pick a liberal GOVERNOR from a WESTERN STATE...????

What do you think? :shrug: Governors are always great Presidential Candidates for winning Presidential Races..but Gore is a former Senator...so TURN THE TABLES...a Governor might just make an interesting pick for him to throw the "Statistics" out the window for a race. ????
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rep the dems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:09 PM
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24. Durbin would be great, except if Obama is the nominee.
Feingold and Schweitzer would also be good, though Schweitzer would probably be better since he could hopefully win western states.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:11 PM
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25. Mark Warner or Brian Schweitzer
I think Warner works with either Hillary, Obama or Edwards.

They're all going to need a centrist governor or ex governor, as all three were/are Senators.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:15 AM
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27. Gov. Brad Henry of OK
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 01:16 AM by Ninja Jordan
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:28 AM
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29. What a nice-looking man!
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