Folks - The Pardon Is Coming - Sooner Rather Than Later.....

[global1]

these people have no scruples. They still criticise Clinton for the Rich pardon - which was helped by Libby. But they have no shame to now ask in editorials in newspapers across this country and on the cable news channels for a pardon for Libby.

And the WH.

Well Snow is being coy about this now - but give this groundswell of requests coming from these * apologists and supporters to go on for a couple of weeks and you watch - soon * will have to say - you know that the pressure from the American people is just so strong - I have to give Libby a pardon. He will do so under the cover of the very people that made such a stink about Clinton's pardon of Rich.

Fox will spin this as coming from the American people and have at least their lemmings repeat that - and soon history will record that * is quite a guy - he listened to the American people and pardon this poor soul Libby.

It's coming folks - and not because * feels sorry for Libby. He is doing it to protect Cheney and himself and perhaps other treasonous criminals that work for him.

He is not going to wait until 2008 to do this. He needs the cover now and soon - before the Dems initiate any major hearings and haul Libby and Fitz in front of them. * needs to put this to rest now or risk even greater scandal - if he waits.

Well before the conviction came in for Libby - the * apologists were talking pardon - that is not by coincidence. This is well choreographed.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. This Country Needs An Enema nt

[Frustratedlady]

4. What a great slogan for a bumper sticker! Love it!

[CrazyOrangeCat]

9. indeed!

[cyberpj]

2. They probably promised him one asap to take the fall. They're not even talking about

whether or not to do it --- it's already been spun to now or later!

[emulatorloo]

3. Well, it could really really backfire on his ass -- because then CHENEY will look GUILTY AS HELL n/t

[patrice]

6. That doesn't matter. They simply do not care.

And they're rich enough to hide from the consequences of being un-popular.

[Vinnie From Indy]

12. You're right! They simply do not care

They also have a gargantuan media megaphone to incessantly pound the message that Scooter was railroaded. They will use the Mark Rich pardon as their absolution.

[emulatorloo]

17. OTOH if it isn;'t good for BUsh, rove won't do it. . .all they care about is Bush, not Cheney

I am pretty sure they are about ready to throw Cheney under the bus anyway

[tularetom]

5. Pardon him now before he sings!

They don't want him offering to testify against his old boss, so if they get him off before the heat really gets on, he won't be tempted to rat them out.

On edit: bush is really on the spot. He is going to catch a ration of shit from the majority of people in the country who now believe the whole Iraq rationale was bullshit if he pardons libby. OTOH, I guarantee that cheney is reaalllly puttin the screws on him to issue that pardon quick before scooter blows the whistle on him for outing Plame.

[Joe Chi Minh]

7. I don't understand why you're all carrying on like this. It's driving me nuts!

Surely, if Bush tries to pardons Libby - even if he does - the Democrats are not so bereft of initiative that they wouldn't be able to rescind it and/or any others. Even if it means dragging them back to jail from their fireside. Sipping cocoa.

[patrice]

10. Is there any precedent for that sort of thing?

[global1]

11. How Can The Dems Recind A Pardon - It Is A Privilege Given To The President By The Constitution...nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

24. The Constitution is evidently open to considerable interpretation,

and was never intended to be the last word. It has certainly been very strangely interpreted by the Neocons.

Reason and the rule of law should trump everything, including a slavish adherence to the Constitution, devised centuries ago, and doubtless not all of it intended to express eternal truths. Laws and consititutions are devices devised by fallible human beings, with a timeless perspective no doubt, in part, but also largely the products of their epoch and culture.

[patrice]

8. This is why we should ask for a Senate Select Committee to inquire

into the whole thing and make it a matter of record at least and prepare the way for Impeachment at best.

[patrice]

13. Time to use the Impeachment card? n/t

[Geek_Girl]

14. dems have got to call for hearings now!!!

regardless of whether Scotter is pardoned now later or never.

[Old and In the Way]

15. A pardon date is contingent on well Scooter's lawyers can drag

out the mortions of retrial and appeal. If he can dance until 11/08, that would work out best for the Republican Syndicate. If he's pardoned, it needs to be soon, so the MSM can sweep it under the rug.

[kenny blankenship]

16. I hope Bush pardons him tomorrow

So we can start the impeachment proceedings first thing Monday morning.

[emulatorloo]

18. agreed, I think the sh*t would hit the fan if Bushboy pardoned Libby tomorrow. EOM

[Missy Vixen]

19. I'll repeat this one more time

>he listened to the American people and pardon this poor soul Libby.<

A pardon is more than political suicide for Bush and Cheney. A pardon ensures Libby takes a trip before the nearest grand jury and finally gets to tell everything he knows. With a pardon, Libby loses his Fifth Amendment right.

The RW noise machine is playing a very dangerous game right now. IMHO, YMMV.

Julie

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. SAY WHAT???

O.k. Lemme get this straight. Libby gets duly convicted for a crime and the Repubs want him pardoned immediately? I thought that they were the so-called "law and order" party? The "rule of law" seemed SO important to them when Clinton lied under oath about Lewinsky which, as we all know, led to his impeachment in the House. GOPers apparently seem to think that they deserve to live under a different set of standards. In fact, it sounds like they want "special rights"! And WHAT is with these jurors who voted to CONVICT him saying that he should be pardoned? If they didn't think he deserved to be convicted, they should have voted against conviction. They must have ultimately felt that the facts warranted his conviction, right? It is their "duty" as jurors to determine guilt or innocence, right? If Libby and/or his allies feel that he was convicted unfairly, he has legal avenues to pursue (i.e. appeals) and his "friends" can help him out with his appeals but what makes him (and other "pardonees") so special and sympathetic that he deserves a pardon more than thousands upon thousands of people out there locked up for victimless crimes or, even more frightening, not even guilty AT ALL? Frankly, I believe that we, as a country, need to do away with allowing Presidents (or anybody) to pardon somebody. People need to be held accountable to the "rule of law" and if they are duly convicted of crimes, then they should be punished. A lot of people in our country seem to have forgotten this need for accountability (no thanks to Bush et. al) and look where it has gotten us.

[Left Hook]

30. Is there a chance

we can get a ammendment passed that a 2/3rd senate majority can override pardons?

[Mr Rabble]

21. I'm not so sure. I think they go another way.

Ultimately, the judge will have actual control over his sentencing. Then, the dept of corrections will assign his detention facility.

First, the judge will do what it takes to make sure that Libby does no more than 24 months. That much is clear from the word go.
Then Libby will be sent to a carefully selected Club-Fed by some apparachik, tentacle of the Bush monster. As important as Libby is, you can imagine that every conceivable string is being pulled to ensure Libby's cell looks like a scene from Goodfella's.

Also, I think Libby has the stones to do 24-36 months. He is definitely a scumbag, but I see him as a true believer.

Of course, all that is dependant on whether Libby even bothers to actually appeal. He may just decide to man up and do the stretch.

There is lots of wheeling & dealing to be done between now and June with Libby's attorneys.

Regardless, after 12/12/2000 there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think that our judicial system is anything but a joke; A laughing stock, where the powerful can and often do whatever they want. You all know it as well as I do.

I don't think there is a pardon coming. I really don't. I think Bush will be so angry with Chaney for getting caught, and thereby further ruining Bush's "legacy", that Bush will let Libby rot to teach him and the rest of the Capo's a lesson.

This may be the real lesson learned from Watergate. Jail time is a possibility, and there will be no pardon.

[ebayfool]

23. What makes you so certain that the judge will go easy on Scoots?

"First, the judge will do what it takes to make sure that Libby does no more than 24 months. That much is clear from the word go."


He has actually seemed pretty careful to make Scoots & his lawyers tow the line during the trial. I didn't get any impression that he would go out of his way to play nice w/sentencing.

Scooter.

Every time I see the printed word 'Scooter' I get a mental flash of a poodle scooting it's ass on the floor, getting in a good scratch or rubbing off some dingleberries! I guess the dignity level is equivalent for both.

Scoots.

[Joe Chi Minh]

25. Surely, the judge will consider the gravity, the magnitude of the offence,

which in this case, could scarcely be greater.

Libby's perversion of the course of justice, in principle at least, has epoch-making implications, in that it contributes to the protection from the due process of the law of those, such as Cheney, who have been identified as the real culprits.

[ddeclue]

22. More like the impeachment is coming sooner rather than later

[dsweet]

26. The Civil Suit then would be coming sooner than later

Thanks to Paula Jones, we could be treated to Cheney testifying under oath before the '08 election. Maybe Bush too.

[newyawker99]

28. Hi dsweet!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ObamaNationYes]

27. The Jurors are calling for a pardon - WHAT!

check it out front page www.msnbc.com

last night on KO juror 9 (Collins) said he would have NO problem with it.

[Left Hook]

29. Here is my take and predictions

I believe that Libby will not start his sentance for a real long time. There is great posibilities there might stays on sentancing granted until all appeals are met. That could take a many months up to a year before serving. And if or when he does get the book thrown at him, for which he obviously deserves, I say he would have stayed a year in prison and then pardoned by Bush when he leaves office. Thats my take, so be vigilant on that.