Pelosi Cautions Bush Not To Veto An Iraq Bill - AND

[Bobbieo]

what will she do if he does????

[kimmerspixelated]

1. Drop everything and start impeachment hearings.

[Bobbieo]

3. I sure hope so !!!! Because cautioning that man is like waving a red flag

in front of a raging bull, so she had better be ready to move on impeachment!!!,

[rodeodance]

15. i doubt that.

[dekerivers1]

19. President Cheney?

[ClassWarrior]

20. Yes, because he'd come out of it unscathed...

:eyes:

NGU.

[frogcycle]

2. well, we can hope...

come out for impeachment with guns blazing

i mean AGGRESSIVE!

I mean namecalling

I mean "get this criminal out of here"

I mean "national emergency"

[Pab Sungenis]

4. Not override the veto

and not introduce a replacement bill. Thus, Bush will have killed the funding for the war and have to bring the troops home.

[Bobbieo]

5. Do we have the votes, now, to get an impeachment???

I sure hope so with all of ---ups by the administration. If Not, WHAT will it take??

[Evergreen Emerald]

6. very clever!

[BayCityProgressive]

7. What will happen if he does?

They will just pass the bill he wants. That's about it. Can't cut off the funding after all. "Gotta Support The Troops" by prolonging their stay in Iraqnam.

[sce56]

10. I'm not an expert on this but I do recall one time when there was no budget they used an old law

that allowed for them to pay for feeding the horses that kept us lowly soldiers from going with out pay. I'm sure the crooks would use that to continue the war.

[durtee librul]

8. As much as I hate to post this - -

they ain't gonna do anything, impeach or 'caution' or anything. They only care about themselves. Wake up people.

Every once in a bit, one of them will grab a microphone and make some 'i' noises about *, and then it all dies down.

Why am I so pessimistic? What have they done so far? Not a F*g thing....non binding resolution.....my fat butt. Next time I speed on the highway, I am going to tell the trooper, it's a 'non binding' speed limit.

[Bobbieo]

9. Well durtee librul - I'm very much afraid I have to agree with you.

I'm not holding my breath!!!! All of this noise and no action!!!

[BayCityProgressive]

11. I agree

we should seek truth from facts and not words. I voted Democrat faithfully, but quite frankly I am not holding out fo rmuch. This whole thing is a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Ever since the 80's the Dems have done nothing to stave off the move to the right...they have participated in it. Once they knew that the Soviet Union was going to collapse they no longer had to pacify people..they could bring out their true corporate agenda. the 90's saw very little in the arena of progressive legislation and for the first 6 years of the Bush presidency..the Democrats merely rolled over and took it up the ass.

Many of them voted for his tax theft for the rich and the war in Iraq..along with the fascist Patriot Act. The only reason the Dems are even making a little noise now is because the Left in this country is more energized than at any time since the late 60's-early 70's. It is all a dog and pony show. 90% of the bills that congress passes will never make it through the senate or to the president and even if they do they will be watered down or found unconstitutional. Our system has a great way of keeping the status quo and ignoring the will of the people. I propose a direct democracy system where all officials can be recalled and voters can place national issues on a national ballot. The Democrats have some value because it gives some voice to the people if we SCREAM enough. To get any real action it is up to us.

[enough already]

12. She'll probably get really, really mad.

She may even hold her breath and threaten another non-binding wrist-slap.

[BayCityProgressive]

13. Or maybe they will take up that

bill the Senate is trumpeting to stop puppy expirements...that will teach him.

[enough already]

17. We can surely rally the House for impeachment around Bush and his illegal puppy experiments

Lying about intel that led to war? No. Torture chambers? No. Outing a covert CIA agent? Sorry. But dammit, we're not going to let Bush get away with being mean to puppies.

[partylessinOhio]

14. Pelosi is too weak. She has already exposed herself. She should be

replaced by someone who has the strength to lead without being vindictive as she was with Jane Harman.

[BayCityProgressive]

16. Well there is the problem

Pelosi is far better than the last few leaders we have had and that isn't saying much. The rest of the leaders we have had couldn't keep the Dems together on a vote if their lives depended on it. The problem isn't so much Pelosi as much as it is 1/2 of our party. She didn't push anything but a nonbinding resolution because I would venture to guess that as much as 1/2 the party would have sided with the GOP. The GOP is united on their agenda...social conservatism and corporate dictatorship. The Democrats don't have a unifying ideology. SOme are economically the same as the GOP but support liberal social issues, some want regulated capitalism, some are financially progressive and socially conservative, some are more like Democratic Socialists, some just want to be in office to enhance the position of their own industry, profession, or one pet issue they have. Makes it hard to craft an agenda.

[Bobbieo]

18. If we have the votes why don't we impeach????

[AshevilleGuy]

21. The Senate wouldn't even debate the nonbinding resolution;

how could it possibly convict bush or cheney after impeachment? The resolution needed 60 votes to end the filibuster - conviction and removal requires 67. Failure to convict would be seen by the WH as acquittal. That is why, by the numbers. But the Dems wouldn't do it anyway.

[meldroc]

22. Time is on our side with this issue.

Bush will have to sign this bill or a bill like it. There's no way that the conditions he wants will make it out of committee in the House. We can just send him bill after bill with restrictions on his ability to wage war until he cries uncle and signs one.

It's nice having the power of the purse...