Ed Shultz says, "Just break the law"

[ProudDad]

Guy just called into Shultz' show, just moved to DC from Kansas. Now he's all paranoid about the n*gg*rs with guns that are going to rush his front door, rape his dog and take his antiques (I guess).

Guy says he tried to buy a gun and found out "HE COULDN'T BUY A GUN IN DC!"

Ed says, "If it were me, and I was truly afraid of someone coming to my door...I'd break the law!"

"Ok" I think, "So, Ed. Sounds like you're advocating breaking any law you don't like."

"Let's see, that's how those folks in the South felt about Civil Rights Laws. So it would be ok not to serve black folks at your lunch counters or keep them from entering your schools because you felt threatened by the n*gg*rs."

"Or, let's see, bush breaks the FISA law and wiretaps American citizens because he's afraid of terrorists messing up his re-election plans."


Way to go, Ed!

[ellacott]

1. Didn't DC just overturn their gun ban?

Maybe there's a reason he couldn't buy a gun.

[originalpckelly]

2. Have you ever considered that the D.C. ban was violating the 2nd Amendment?

People ought to be able to defend themselves with more than a kitchen knife.

[crikkett]

5. last year in San jose a woman tried to 'defend' herself w/ veggie peeler

and got shot dead by the * cops.

[jgraz]

3. We should allow guns and ban Ed Schultz

[razors edge]

4. What if it where an unjust law

like slavery or even segregation?

Myself I would break a law I saw to be of no value to society.

Pot smoking in my earlier days comes to mind.

[riverdale]

30. or

The freaking law that says you can't get into an NCAA tournament pool.

[MGD]

6. And you were accusing me of creating a false analogy?

FALSE ANALOGIES occur when writers overlook the fact that two things being compared are more different than they are similar. http://www.siue.edu/~smoiles/fallac.html

Cute try though...

[librechik]

7. after days and days whining about college kids stealing tunes

"IT'S Breaking the LAW!! BOTTOM LINE!!"

He's got a lot of nerve or something...

[dogman]

8. Ed is right about this.

Self-defense is a basic human right. The DC law was struck down because it was a violation of the Constitution according to the Judges.

[ellacott]

9. So why couldn't this guy buy a gun? n/t

[dogman]

13. I came in on the tail end of the call.

The guy was mistaken in some of his claims, like the Brady Bill giving cities the the power to do this. Then I believe he said he was from Ft. Wayne, IN. I don't think he was a credible caller. Ed said that if he felt he or his family were in danger he would have a gun because, unless you used it in self-defense, no one would know you had it. There was a case in Illinois a few years back in which this exact thing happened. I believe he was set free. I know the state legislature was supporting the man.

[kstewart33]

19. I agree. If anyone fears for his life in his home, time to get a gun.

A person's life is more important than whether he broke the law or not. If there is that much fear, and he wants to get a gun, then so be it.

I say that, never having owned a gun, and I never will. I don't live in high risk neighborhoods.

[nolabels]

26. So your real answer is, to paraphrase 'move to a new home'

That would be mine also. Lesson learned: additions always win over subtractions when dealing with life's issues

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

10. and this ass gets on instead of hartmann on most aar affiliates

the new ownership at aar really needs to court the owners of these stations andd get them to put hartmann in that spot. schultz is just a clear channel hack using aar's good name to get listeners.

[11 Bravo]

11. Doesn't this belong in the dungeon?

[ieoeja]

12. Huh?

"Let's see, that's how those folks in the South felt about Civil Rights Laws. So it would be ok not to serve black folks at your lunch counters or keep them from entering your schools because you felt threatened by the n*gg*rs."


Actually, they wanted to keep segregation THE LAW. And it was frequently those who opposed this unjust law that called upon people to break the law. You just got 90% of the history of the Civil Rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s back asswards.

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[ORDagnabbit]

15. LMAO....dang flip flop on the law mister ed....

he went off on people downloading music and how it was against the law...he pounded it home they were breaking the law and didnt matter how trivial it seemed...the law was the law.

[dogman]

16. And you don't see an ethical difference between stealing and self-defense?

Obeying the law is a moral choice. He stated he would be willing to go to jail to save his life or that of a family member. Would you be willing to go to jail to steal a song?

[ORDagnabbit]

17. obey the corporate masters..

I like ed and defend him here regularly, I also point out areas I dont like about him. I havent listened to the show today so I am unable to get a full read of what he said.

all that being the case.... telling someone one week the laws the law and the next week to break the law goes against my idea of what is right and what is socially responsible for a radio host to be saying. What other laws do we get to break? The guy next door said he hated me, so I get to pre-emptively kill him because he was threatening me and my family?

slippery slope.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

18. Ed's show today was all about guns

and the overturning of the DC gun ban. Ed was surprisingly even handed when talking about this, I thought. But when talking to a listener, he used what I thought was a poor analogy--people are killed in car accidents, so we should then ban all cars.

There is a big difference between gun ownership and car ownership. For one thing, to get a license to drive, you have to pass both a written AND a driving test. What tests do you take to show you know how to safely store and use a gun? If you have a car, you have to show proof of insurance, in case you are involved in an accident. Do you have to show you have some sort of liability insurance to own a gun?

Don't get me wrong--I think guns have their place. BUT--I also think that people who own guns should be able to prove that they know how to use them and that they know how to safely take care of them. I've known of families who lost loved ones in gun-related accidents that were preventable if people had taken the time to learn something about guns before getting them.

[benEzra]

27. To operate a gun in public, you DO have to get a license...

just like a car.

No license/training required to merely own a car, or to operate it on private property (such as a race track). Just to drive it in public.

To get a license to carry a gun here in NC, I had to pass a state and Federal criminal records check, have my prints run by the FBI, pass a mental health records check, attended a training class, demonstrated proficiency shooting a handgun, and passed a test on NC gun laws administered in person at the sheriff's office. Plus shelled out lots of $$$ for fees, and time off work to jump through all the hoops.

Bet you didn't have to pass a Federal background check to buy a car...

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

29. More states should be like NC

but not all of them are. Too many times people get guns and have no clue how to use them.

[benEzra]

31. Almost all of them already are. (Those requirements are for a carry license.)

As I mentioned, most states treat guns like cars, in that you may purchase and own one without licensure, but a license is required to carry the gun on your person in public. Two states (Illinois and Wisconsin) do not issue carry licenses, and two states (Vermont and Alaska) do not require licenses in order to carry.

Only a couple of states require licenses in order to actually own a gun, and I don't think licensure to own is a particularly good idea.

[LittleClarkie]

20. The quote marks confuse me

Who are you quoting, the listener, Ed, or the voice in your head?

[ProudDad]

32. When the quotes were

attributed to Ed, they were ed's words

When attributed to the voice in my head, were the voice in my head's...

[LaPera]

21. There's no one more conservative on any liberal radio show than fat Ed!

Half the time hes a disgrace to liberal progressive ideology.

[snowbear]

22. BULL---------SHIT

There were no comments by either Ed or his caller that even came close to the words that the OP here chose to use.

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---- An obnoxious rightwing caller phoned into Ed's show to revel in the joy of the two judge's decision to change the gun law in D.C. and to rub it in on a leftie radio program.

When the caller complained about not being able to own a gun when he moved to D.C., Ed laughed and in a sarcastic tone said "go ahead, break the law". Ed then likens the caller to a certain Republican congressman who states that he favors a "shoot now, ask questions later" law.

Ed argues back and forth with the guy telling him that the law in D.C. had been in place for a good reason, and he'd stake his life on it that it was gun lobbyists and the NRA who were able to get the Bush appointed judges to change it.

He asks that if any D.C. area callers were listening, he'd sure love their input on they feel about the law being repealed. A short time later, an Arlington, VA caller phones in to tell Ed that she thinks he's right; that the residents were content with the law the way it was. She explains to Ed that since residents can't vote on hot button items like this, that just as they did with an earlier drug law, the judges are able to change laws without the input of residents.

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*** The b.s. that follows was never said on the program and was concocted by the OP :

"Now he's all paranoid about the n*gg*rs with guns that are going to rush his front door, rape his dog and take his antiques (I guess)"...

Neither Ed Schultz or the caller ever said ANYTHING like this!!!

"So it would be ok not to serve black folks at your lunch counters or keep them from entering your schools because you felt threatened by the n*gg*rs."

Not one single word of this came off of the program today -- WHERE (and why) Proud Dad is dredging up such insanity is CRAZY!!

"By this time the Supreme's had spoken...The crackers were just dragin' they feet...

Incredible. JUST INCREDIBLE.

It's pretty sad that some of the members here actually bought this b.s. thread hook, line and sinker.

I think it's one thing to take the comment out of context, but to insert racial slurs and make it appear as if it was part of the radio program is going too far in my opinion.

Ed (as he always does, made it clear that he uses guns for hunting and that he has a gun for personal protection at his residence.

But as far as the slurs quoted on here -- -- if anyone seriously believes that they were said, copy Proud Dad's thread and take it up with Ed Schultz' producer - James Holms (nickmame "Holmey") [e-mail]

I'll bet anything he'll provide you with the audio clip and as LittleClarkie suggested, you'll see who's head those b.s. quotes came out of.

Shame on you P/Dad, those of you who fell for it, and those who let these RACIST comments remain on this board.

[ProudDad]

33. You obviously

didn't hear the show I heard or you are seriously spinning what Ed Shultz said and the tone with which he said it.

And you don't understand the use of quotes and attribution. For your edification: http://www.ablongman.com/professional/catalog/academic/product/1,4096,020530902X,00.html


On Edit: the racism was an undercurrent in the comments of the caller into Ed's program (which, to his credit, Ed recognized but didn't encourage) it was NOT mine.

I encourage anyone who's interested to find and listen to the soundclip of that call. I'm sure you'll come to much the same conclusions I did (unless you're one of the few tone-deaf 2nd amendment fundies that are denizens of this board now)...

I stand 100% behind my OP...Ed Shultz DID say that he'd break this law if he felt like he "had to"...

[leftofthedial]

23. Schultz is an idiot

if he didn't sound so much like Limpballs, no one would ever have heard of him

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[Irreverend IX]

25. This has to be the most incoherent thread...

I've ever read on DU.

[Javaman]

28. a rushbot in dem clothing. nt