Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. NO!

[Pryderi]

No, I say! I do not want 2 families controlling the White House for 24-28 years in a row.

[illinoisprogressive]

1. And controlling the country. I say out with the old and in with the new.

[El Supremo]

2. I agree. n/m

[sce56]

3. I agree 1000%

[job777]

20. also

in agreement, enough is enough. Key word NEW.

[iamjoy]

4. How 'Bout Another Bush, Clinton

You know, 8 years of Hillary, then JEB is ready. After he serves two terms (:puke:) Chelsea will be old enough to run!


GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Chelsea! :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[Nedsdag]

5. Then the twins should be ready by 2024.

Enough is enough!

We need new blood on the political scene.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. Chelsea isn't interested in politics and Jeb has too many family problems

Sadly there will probably be another Bush family member in American politics but not in the next three election cycles or so.

[NDP]

37. Yeah, and Bill Clinton had "family" problems and Dubya was a cokehead. So what?

[ccpup]

6. absolutely!

let's all go ahead and blatantly ignore someone's qualifications and the simple fact that they may have the intelligence, the brilliance and the know-how to get things done for the American People -- for ALL the American People -- and arbitrarily deny them the right to try based solely on the fact that they were married to someone who held the position or were born to someone who held the position or they're the second cousin twice removed from someone who held the position or ...

Or perhaps we could just allow the process to unfold and let the American People decide who they want?

Denying someone the Opportunity to be a part of what is a wonderfully American Process -- one we all profess to cherish and wish to hold safe and dear and free from dishonesty or unfairness -- doesn't sound like the America I want to live in.

Not to be disagreeable, but it's just my two cents.

[oasis]

7. I want the best qualified team to head the Federal government. Fix-it people.

That's a "bill" best filled by Hill.

[Alamom]

11. I couldn't have said it better. eom.

[blm]

25. Hillary will push against the fascist agenda? Poppy Bush's BFEE? Halliburton?

If Bill wouldn't do it, what makes you think Hillary will?

Tinkering around to fix aspects of the country's domestic policy isn't going to be enough this time out. You can't keep letting Poppy Bush and his cronies have free rein to continue their agenda the way Bill allowed.

[Tellurian]

45. I bet she will..

Enough time has gone by for the erosion of the VRW and enough time to publicly expose the Bushes for the charlatans they really are. I doubt there would be much resistance to their prosecution from Congress. After comprehensive investigations are concluded by Democratic Committee chairs have enough evidence in hand to hang them all high.

In case you haven't heard the old saying.."Don't get even. Get elected, then get even!"

[bullimiami]

8. think for a second. what the hell do 2 total bastards named bush have to do

with bill clinton, a relatively decent president and hillary, who worked on the nixon prosecution, tried to bring us universal health care, an effective and balanced senator and who would probably be another decent president.



NO MORE CLINTONS BECAUSE the bushs suck.

[JohnnyLib2]

18. Agreed. The history of the U.S. would be very different if

family names were limited to one president each (Adams, Roosevelt).

[ccpup]

9. In my mind,

it's more the precedent that's set than anything else. What if we have a brilliant Clinton born two or three generations from now that is THE answer for the Nation at that time? Yet they're prevented from serving because of a Supreme Court 5-4 decision in Bush v. Gore and a whole lot of uncounted ballots in Ohio in 2004.

[fuzzyball]

10. Bush-No, Clinton-Yes, Bush-No, Clinton-Yes

[NDP]

12. The elite (aka, the bigs) love manipulating people like you who can't see anything but a "D" or "R"

Even in the movie "Blade," the vampires had to have human accomplices who ran errands for them during the day time.

What's my point? Based on the same logic, the powers that be need both Democrats and Republicans to get their way. Maybe "Hillary Clinton" isn't one of them, but the fact that we may have Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush should make everyone say, "Hey, what in the heck is going on here."

We don't have to have a Bush or a Clinton in the White House, you know. And yes, I am conflating the two, because that's the rotation that's going on right in front of your face.

[AtomicKitten]

14. your solution?

I'm all ears.

Because when push comes to shove, a D is a hell of a lot better than an R. Perhaps you don't agree. Perhaps your not voting the shirt is more important even if it means allowing the R to squeak into office.

Just keep in mind the next president will appoint the next Supreme Court justice (Justice Stevens is 86). That matters to me.

[NDP]

34. My solution? Choose someone other than Hillary Clinton, genius

[Tellurian]

48. Check for tandem puncture wounds near the jugular..

There isn't a candidate in the field that can fight the Republicans for the White House like Hillary can.
Know it...believe it. The Repugs aren't going to give up power and control, just because an 'Inconvenient Election' comes along, kicking them to the curb.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. Yea, it's a real conspiracy...

Al Gore won the election in 2000.

But I'm sure that the Clintons helped Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush rig the vote to keep the rotation going.
:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

16. self-delete

[NDP]

35. Exactly, and they got cover because the bigs wanted Bush in there

[Hippo_Tron]

50. So... you're saying that Bill Clinton wanted Bush in office over Gore?

Good luck proving that one.

[SaveElmer]

21. Ditto...!

[knight_of_the_star]

17. Ditto

This isn't like we're talking about the Holy Roman Empire here people.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

19. 300 million people

In a nation of 300 million people surely we can look outside two families to run the country? Let's not forget that Bush also had 8 years as the #2 under Reagan. Do we want to have two families running the country for 24 years by 2008 and 32 years of either a Bush or Clinton occupying one of the top two posts in the nation?

The Bushes have Bush III waiting in the wings. He may even find himself on the Republican ticket as VP. He is popular among the right-wing base. They also have Bush IV in the long-term. Don't be surprised if Jeb Bush's son George P. Bush gets into politics down the road.

1980 Reagan-Bush Carter-Mondale
1984 Reagan-Bush Mondale-Ferraro
1988 Bush-Quayle Dukakis-Bensten
1992 Bush-Quale Clinton-Gore
1996 Dole-Kemp Clinton-Gore
2000 Bush-Cheney Gore-Lieberman
2004 Bush-Cheney Kerry-Edwards
2008 McCain?-Bush Clinton-Obama?

The four biggest states in the nation are California*, Texas, New York, and Florida. The Bush dynasty had the governorship of the second largest state from 1995-2001 and the governorship of the fourth largest state from 1999-2007. The Clinton dynasty has occupied a Senate seat from the country's third largest state (and probably the second most influential after California) from 2001 to the present.

In fact, briefly in 2001 the two "royal families", held the presidency, governorship of the second and fourth largest states, and a Senate seat from the third largest state at the same time.


Do we want to continue down the dynasty road? Is the best we can do is rely on two families to run the nation, our key states?

*Which itself has been ruled since 2004 by a member of the Kennedy dynasty!

[Tellurian]

22. Theres only one family, out of the two, that has 'run' the country not ruined it..

and we're working to make it so, again!

[YOY]

27. How are those blinders?

Thank you for making the lie that anyone can grow up to be president a great big flaming lie.

[wyldwolf]

29. why are you asking her? Your the one wearing them

[YOY]

32. Sure I am...

:eyes:

[wyldwolf]

36. well, at least we agree on that.

[blm]

46. Yep - name the ONE Democrat who has protected Poppy Bush more actively than

any other the last 14 years.

[wyldwolf]

23. I say we demand a constitutional amendment so Pryderi will be happy

[mtnsnake]

24. I'm curious. Why weren't you whining about this BEFORE -- with just the two Bushes?

What, it was okay with you to have two Bushes in the WH but you only stamp your feet when there's a threat of having two Clintons?

It's clear that you and everyone else who are crying about these family dynasties NOW...now that Hillary is a potential threat to become president...are ONLY doing so because it has more to do with your dislike for Hillary than it has to do with any disdain you have for family dynasties. Gimme a break.

[tridim]

26. I have to say it every time I see this thread, Hillary is a Rodham, not a Clinton.

Not that I want a Rodham as prez either, but that's a fact.

[Nedsdag]

30. But she's running as Hillary Rodham CLINTON

She's not running away from the name. She's using it for her political benefit.

[tridim]

33. So what? Doesn't change the fact that she's not a blood relative of W.J. Clinton. n/t

[Nedsdag]

38. Well, I guess you like a two-family oligarchy.

Whatever!:eyes:

[tridim]

42. Well, if you read my previous post you'd understand..

That I don't want a Rodham presidency either.

In your opinion is Bill a Rodham? Because saying Hillary is a Clinton is the same thing. Certainly Hillary is a Clinton by marriage and by law, but she's not a Clinton by birth, which is what political legacies are based on.

[NDP]

39. Is she Bill Clinton's wife? I was just wondering. She's Hillary Clinton.

[Nedsdag]

40. Then I guess you like two families running this country.

I can't argue with you.

[mopinko]

28. to pretend there is some equivalence between them is a lie.

just a flat out scurrilous lie. slander of the most base sort. i am not a fan of hillary, but to pretend that the bush families infiltration of our government, and the republican party going back to prescott, and their crimes against humanity, have any correlation, any correlation at all to having bill and hillary clinton both serve as president is just the lowest sort of slander.

[RobertSeattle]

31. But I think this pattern is much worse...

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[NDP]

41. So, you advocate that we keep voting for Presidents based on subjective foolishness instead of

who would be the best President?

Would Hillary be the "best" President? No way, so she doesn't need to be President. That white male garbage is for the lazy-minded. Who would be the "best President"? That's where the real thinkers are at.

[RobertSeattle]

43. Wow - you must be a non lazy real thinker!!!

It would be a great thing for this country and this world if we had someone other than a white male as president after 230 years. Even if this person wasn't your theoretical "best President" it would be a great thing.

[paulk]

52. so... not voting for HRC because her last name

is Clinton isn't subjective?

And you say that Hillary wouldn't be the best president, therefore she shouldn't be president.

damn.

Do you even know what "subjective" means?

[ourvoicescount]

44. Great to point out.

[Learn2Swim]

47. AGREE!!!!

This is not an oligarchy.

[Bridget Burke]

49. Gosh, I've heard this one before.

I can easily understand why you might prefer another candidate than Senator Clinton.

So--tell us why your guy is better.

[Radical Activist]

51. A Bush or Dole has been on every GOP ticket since 1976.

They'll have to get Liddy Dole for VP this time.

[AzDar]

53. One could get the impression that it is simply a matter of the new regime covering

for the predecessor.
If one were cynical, of course..

[durrrty libby]

54. Comparing the Booshs to the Clintons is beyond ignorant

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