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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 11:44 PM
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Clark discusses Iraq policy: "The real danger is....
, and one of the reasons this is so complicated is because -- let's say we did follow the desires of some people who say, “Just pull out, and pull out now.” Well, yeah. We could mechanically do that. It would be ugly, and it might take three or four months, but you could line up the battalions on the road one by one, and you could put the gunners in the Humvees and load and cock their weapons and shoot their way out of Iraq. You'd have a few roadside bombs. But if you line everybody up there won't be any roadside bombs. Maybe some sniping. You can fly helicopters over, do your air cover. You’d probably get safely out of there. But when you leave, the Saudis have got to find someone to fight the Shias. Who are they going to find? Al-Qaeda, because the groups of Sunnis who would be extremists and willing to fight would probably be the groups connected to al-Qaeda. So one of the weird inconsistencies in this is that were we to get out early, we’d be intensifying the threat against us of a super powerful Sunni extremist group, which was now legitimated by overt Saudi funding in an effort to hang onto a toehold inside Iraq and block Iranian expansionism.

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I think Congress should take a strong stand to get the strategy changed. I don't think that if you cut off funding for the war, it’s in the -- right now that's not in the United States' interest. What is in the United States’ interest is to change the strategy in the war. You cannot succeed by simply stopping the funding and saying, “You've got six months to get the Americans out.” That's not going to end the misery in Iraq. It's not going to restore the lives that have been lost. And it's not going to give us the power in the region to prevent later threats.

What we do have to do is have a strategy that uses all the elements of America's power: diplomatic, economic, legal and military. I would send a high-level diplomatic team into the region right now. I’d have no-holds-barred and no-preconditioned discussion with Iran and Syria. And I would let it be known that I’ve got in my bag all the tricks, including putting another 50,000 troops in Iraq and pulling all 150,000 troops out. And we're going to reach an agreement on a statement of principles that brings stability and peace and order to the region. So let's just sit down and start doing it. Now, that could be done with the right administrative leadership. It just hasn't been done.

You know, think of it this way. You're on a ship crossing the Atlantic. It's a new ship. And it's at night. And you're looking out ahead of the ship, and you notice that there's a part of the horizon. It's a beautiful, starry night, except that there's a part of the horizon, a sort of a regular hump out there where there are no stars visible. And you notice, as the ship plows through the water at thirty knots, that this area where there are no stars is getting larger. And finally, it hits you that there must be something out there that's blocking the starlight, like an iceberg. So you run to the captain. And you say, “Captain, captain, there's an iceberg, and we're driving right toward it.” And he says, “Look, I can't be bothered with the iceberg right now. We're having an argument about the number of deck chairs on the fore deck versus the aft deck.” And you say, “But you're going to hit an iceberg.” He says, “I’m sorry. Get out of here.” So you go to the first officer, and he says, “I’m fighting with the captain on the number of deck chairs.”

You know, we're approaching an iceberg in the Middle East in our policy, and we've got Congress and the United States -- and the President of the United States fighting over troop strength in Iraq. It's the wrong issue. The issue is the strategy, not the troop strength.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/02/1440234

From "Democracy Now!" with Amy Goodman, 3/2/07
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:18 AM
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1. Clark knows.
He seems to be the only one who knows what the hell he's talking about. It's just not as simple as "pull out and fuck it". This is a very serious, very complex problem and he is just the sort we need to fix it.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:25 AM
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2. A great analogy
It's always been an argument only about the troops, because BushCo has basically only made it about the troops. I haven't heard anyone else talking about all the levels of this disaster and what can be changed and how; I still only hear "solutions" in terms of the troops -- staying, redeploying, withdrawing immediately, withdrawing on a timetable, redeploying on a timetable, etc. etc... There's a lot more to this horrific puzzle.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:46 AM
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3. This is what happens when you lie youself into an unjust war - there are no pretty exits
I just wanted to remind everyone how we got to this point.

This is another reason to deny Bush any leeway regarding Iran.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:22 AM
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4. Cut the damn funding. Any further delay would be uglier than remaining at all.
It can be an orderly and swift withdrawal... but i'd be just fine with a chaotic one.
The US LOST in IRAQ... and i want that lesson learned for this generation and many generations of people to come.
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