Hillary Clinton's interview with the Irish Times. - 03/08/07

[IChing]

SNIP>>>>>>.
Interviewer
You also speak about America remaining true to its values, and what many Europeans would ask is `how does Guantanamo, or how do the secret prisons the CIA ran, and the practice of extraordinary rendition fit in with America's values?'

Hillary

"Well, I don't think that they are a good fit. I think that there's always a balance between security and liberty, and, certainly, under our constitution the pendulum has swung back and forth.

We had one of our greatest presidents, Abraham Lincoln, who suspended the writ of habeas corpus which is one of the great legacies of Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence. Well, we've got to get back to striking that balance in a more thoughtful way than we have been doing under the Bush administration.

And it's not easy. I'm not going to sit here and say it's self-evident exactly how to strike it. But certainly, the imbalances, the rather extreme reactions that we've seen out of the Bush administration to some of the real threats we face and the desire to protect us against those threats, I think can be recalibrated more in line with our values.">>>>>snip


Interviewer
But would you close Guantanamo?


Hillary:
"I'm not going to speculate on that now. I think that's the kind of tactical decision that has to be considered depending on what the real facts are at the time. Obviously, I feel that the administration has misfired in the way that it has refused to expedite the treatment of the individuals down in Guantanamo. And, frankly, it has relied on unreliable, hearsay evidence and we need to clean up the processes.

Then we can get to the point of what will we do with the people once we have totally considered them on the basis of legitimate concrete steps to determine whether they should be held or released. Then we can deal with the actual facility issue. That's not the real problem. The real problem is the processes we've used."

SNIP>>>>>>> http://www.ireland.com/focus/2007/clinton/index.html

[dflprincess]

1. A few weeks ago I said that I'd vote for Senator Clinton if she was the nominee -

I'm becoming less sure of that as time goes by.

Now it's down to just how bad the Republican nominee is - and is it someone whose positions are so similar to Clinton's that s/he could be tolerated for 4 years so we could try and elect a real Democrat in 2012. - Not that I'd vote for a Republican, I just might skip voting in the presidential race if my choices come down to TweedleDem and TweedleRep.


On edit:
Check out this thread on her response about whether or not homosexuality is immoral. She is in serious need of a spine transplant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3161767

[IChing]

2. EU's president said that the US should close Guantanamo

EU lawmakers approve critical CIA report
14 February 2007

Brussels/Strasbourg (dpa) - European Union lawmakers on Wednesday approved a final report which slams EU governments for tolerating or assisting the United States' practice of secret detentions of terrorist suspects.

German minister for Europe, Guenther Gloser, said the US must close down the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay on Cuba. The EU would not accept any compromise on human rights, he added.

Germany currently holds the rotating EU presidency.


http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=52&story_id=36546

[ElizabethDC]

3. Thanks for posting this, I hadn't seen it. n/t

[bigdarryl]

4. She is such a PANDERER

[DemKR]

5. I guess it's "Bash a fellow Democrat" day on DU!

[IChing]

6. Nowhere did I bash her

This is an interview with her words not mine and it is in a foreign press so I thought that for the voter to be informed it would be enlightening.


Orwell defined Doublethink as,

“… the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. …

Confucius sought to improve language in order to improve the society and culture. He wrote,

“The correct use of language leads to the correct behavior of people”


Confucius wrote,

“The correct use of language must begin at the very top of government.”

You can read anything you want into what she said, or by what she didn't say.

[donco6]

13. This isn't "bashing". It's commenting on a candidate's stand.

Which is EXACTLY what this board is all about.

[karynnj]

7. I realize that speaking outside the country is different than inside,

but Hillary needs to stand up against these evils.

[IChing]

8. Why should it be different?

Inside the country and outside the country.

Which ones should I believe?

[Clarkie1]

9. Unbelievable. Un****iing believable! Thank you for sharing this.

AMY GOODMAN: General Clark, do you think Guantanamo Bay should be closed?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.

AMY GOODMAN: If Congress cut off funds for the prison there, it would be closed. Should they?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think the first thing Congress should do is repeal the Military Commissions Act. I’m very disturbed that a number of people who are looking at the highest office in the land have supported an act which advertently or inadvertently authorizes the admission into evidence of information gained through torture. That's not the America that I believe in. And the America that I believe in doesn't detain people indefinitely without charges. So I’d start with the Military Commissions Act.

Then I’d get our NATO allies into the act. They've said they don't like Guantanamo either. So I’d like to create an international tribunal, not a kangaroo court of military commissions. And let's go back through the evidence. And let's lay it out. Who are these people that have been held down there? And what have they been held for? And which ones can be released? And which ones should be tried in court and convicted?

You see, essentially, you cannot win the war on terror by military force. It is first and foremost a battle of ideas. It is secondly a law enforcement effort and a cooperative effort among nations. And only as a last resort do you use military force. This president has distorted the capabilities of the United States Armed Forces. He's used our men and women in uniform improperly in Guantanamo and engaged in actions that I think are totally against the Uniform Code of Military Justice and against what we stand for as the American people.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/02/1440234

[IChing]

10. To me Gitmo is not a "tactical decision "

My son works for Amnesty International in Denmark.

Need I say more?

[Clarkie1]

11. This thread needs more attention.

I'm definitely keeping this info in the "Clinton file"

[IChing]

12. kick