Doug Schoen in new book wants Harold Ford to replace Dean as chairman.

[madfloridian]

Does that sound familiar? Hmmm...let's see. I believe James Carville said it...yes, that's it. And then Harold Ford became head of the DLC since the DNC was taken.

And then Harold Ford became a Fox News consultant recently in addition to being DLC chairman.

Just like Doug Schoen, who is/was part of Penn Schoen Berland, the polling company that works for Hillary. Well, Doug Schoen is a Fox News Consultant now.

That is THIS Doug Schoen.....

Penn, Schoen & Berland, Mark Penn a pollster for Hillary. Just in Venezuela.

And he wants Howard Dean out and Harold Ford in. Goodness, are we seeing a pattern here? Howard Dean out...Harold Ford in. Hmm....mm..

Doug Schoen's book

"Pollster Doug Schoen, the longtime partner of Clinton strategist Mark Penn, has harsh words for Howard Dean and the Netroots in his forthcoming book, The Power of the Vote.

Schoen, who left Penn, Schoen & Berland at the end of last year, advises Democrats to move to the center, and calls Dean' style of politics "a depressing reminder that old habits die hard."

He deplores the fact that "Democrats like Howard Dean are still channeling Bella Abzug thirty-plus years after she flamed out with New York's overwhleming Democratic electorate."

"Democrats like Harold Ford -- not Howard Dean -- should be chairmen of the Democratic National Committee," Schoen writes in the book, due out April 1.

Schoen's shots at Dean come as part of a broader critique of the activist, web-centric wing of the party, which he describes as the inheritors of George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy. Schoen writes that last year's Connecticut Senate race proved the limitations of Dean's "'Democratic wing of the Democratic Party' -- a designation that of course excludes moderates and outright insults conservatives."

He refers to the Republican support of Lieberman as a sign that the activist wing is dying.

This is so tiring. This whole spiel they have had going against the grassroots, webroots, nutroots, whatever since 2003. Shades of Al From and his "fringe activists" from 2003.

No more fringe activist stuff from the centrists

QUESTION: Are they deliberately trying to anger the "liberals" "activist" whatever and make us mad enough to leave the party?

I think the answer is yes.

Well, I am very angry. But I am not going anywhere just yet. I just will make it a point NOT to vote in 08 for anyone connected to this guys. Period. Bottom line.

[hippiechick]

1. Bwaaahahahahahaaaa ...

... yes, because Dean has done such a shitty job for the Democrats, right?


:sarcasm:


Somebody please shut these talking heads the FUCK up !!


:mad: :spank:

[madfloridian]

2. May I wholeheartedly agree with your passionate Bwaaahahahahahaaaa

:rofl:

[LSparkle]

8. Me too -- and I also agree with your plea for them to STFU!

[Cha]

20. The talking heads are part and parsel

of the mediawhore complex.

[melody]

3. The covert GOP wing of the DNC at it again

Sure, Schoen wants Dean out and Ford in. He wants the Democrats to lose.

[madfloridian]

4. Didn't Bob Shrum, another Clinton consultant, just come out with a book?

Was it a book in which he talks about advising Edwards on the war?

I think so.

Is this National Centrist Book Week?

[Cha]

21. That's right! bob schrum admitted

he advised John Edwards WRONG! That's rare right there. I bet John Edwards takes his own council now.. and Elizabeth's, of course.

[aquart]

5. He can say what he wants.

No skin off my nose if he wants to look stupid.

[OHdem10]

6. Should the Republicans come up with a Moderate

as their Candidate--tell me, Mr Shoen, how will the
public distinguish between the Dem and the Repub??

Will they say as Harry Truman famously jousted--
"Give the people a chance to vote between a real
Repubican and a Fake --they will choose the real
thing everytime."

[LSparkle]

9. Like Chuck Hagel maybe ... ???

[sharp_stick]

7. Of course he should

I mean Dean sucks doesn't he? What's a little thing like winning the House and Senate when in June there wasn't a chance in hell we'd get either? If Dean was a real leader we'd have veto proof majorities that lazy prick.

Fakes like Schoen just need to STFU for awhile and get on the bus.

[msongs]

10. who wants a republican as head of the DNC? nt

[Rusty MacHenry]

15. I do

There's nothing I want more then a Republite like Ford to replace Dean as chairman. Let's scrap that 50 state program, it's everything like what Carville says, sending people down to Utah to pick their noses. I want to see Ford as chair so I can see him systematically destroy the infrastructure of the party just as long as the corporations has there voice.

Dean's dumb, he's brought us the majority in Congress, why would I want that then the Democrats would have to quit bitching and start doing actual work. No I want a strong man like Harold Ford to guide us back in the minority cause that's where we belong.:sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[shance]

11. You mean Doug Shoen, THE FOX NEWS CONSULTANT......

boy, the Republicans in our party sure grasping for straws.....

I guess all these people do is try and destroy all that's good?

I'm beginning to wonder if some of these individuals, particularly in the DLC and Washington Democratic elite, are sabatoging our party by using money and Washington, are simply bitter, nasty people who get some kind twisted satisfaction in trying to marginalize and bring down local movements, people who disagree with them, and those like Dean and others who actually deserve the appreciation and recognition they get?

Perhaps that is why Harold Ford and others like him, even Hillary Clinton engage in guerilla war fare from the sidelines and sheepishly zap their perceived enemies through other people. They are cowards and bullies. Really, a watered down version of those in the Republican party.

People like Doug, Harold and even Hillary don't seem have the guts to lob their baseless, divisive criticisms face to face because they know how supported Governor Dean and other good leaders like him are. Instinctively as we all do, they know where the truth lies and it isn't with them and their disinformation camp.

None of the likes of these DLC Washington addicted individuals have earned an ounce of respect and admiration with Americans in truth. They have not lifted a finger for those who need help the most. So they must resort to plan B, which is shooting their toxic darts from the shadows. How pathetic really.

One would hope if they are going to be vendictive and continually sabatoge what's authentic in the Democratic party, the least they could do is have the courage to do it in the light of day.



Enough said.

[Dr Fate]

12. I'd like to know Hillary's preference. n/t

n/t

[Cha]

22. She'll leave that for others

to "conclude".

[madfloridian]

13. Fox consultant Schoen says Fox is not a right wing station.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1189

""Schoen: Well, A. They're not a right wing smear machine. B I don't think that trying to something media as part of partisan politics is a healthy thing to do. I wouldn't say that Air America couldn't sponsor debates. I think it would be great if Air America sponsored debates in the Republican Party as well as the Demcoratic PArty. I think this is a very very bonechilling trend. And I think given that Senator Harry Reid was one of those who was involved in embracing the idea, this has really becaome - as Roger Ailes said - a case of a left-wing pressure group trying to put pressure on the Democatic Party. One other thing. Roger Ailes, and I spoke to him, his comment about Obama and Osama was a joke about President Bush. It was not, in any effort, to smear, criticize, Senator Barack Obama. It was a joke that he made to a group of broadcast journalists who he thought would get a kick out of it given that, as you said, the president is not exactly all that popular and he hasn't after all found Osama Bin Laden. I think this is just MoveOn using this as an excuse to try to put pressure on the Democrats and on Fox to advance their narrow agenda"

He manages to smear many Democrats without saying he is a Fox consultant. This was on radio yesterday.

[Cha]

23. I'll tell ya what's "bonechilling"..dougie..

harold ford jr as the DNC Chairman..replacing our esteemed leader Dr Gov Dean. :scared: :nuke: :scared:

Edit~ To add..I'm glad you're keeping track of this mad, thanks a lot!

They think they're so sneaky! Maybe before the Internet that Gore invented!

[JetCityLiberal]

14. Go away Schoen, Shrum, Brazile, DLC

and please take the Clintons with you.

jeez madfloridian, I am not going anywhere either...yet. My local is my salvation anymore.

As always, :thumbsup:

[madfloridian]

16. "Overthrowing Dictators, and Promoting Democracy Around the World"

That is part of the title of Schoen's new book. Here is the full title..."The Power of the Vote: Electing Presidents, Overthrowing Dictators, and Promoting Democracy Around the World "

Ok, so the overthrowing dictators and promoting Democracy ain't been working so well lately. Maybe it's time we stopped doing that.

[xxqqqzme]

17. WTF would he know about

electing, overthrowing or promoting? The dlc can't do any one of those let alone 3!

[MasonJar]

18. I am getting really sick of these panderers. Dean is doing an

incredible job. The best I have ever seen and I have been around a long time. Now he is meeting with leaders of other countries so that when the dems get the WH in '08, our former allies will know that most of us still value them. Howard is out there continuously with sound and workable solutions.

[Cha]

19. Too bad what this doug guy wants..it's

what the people want that's important. Course, we know that's not the way the dlc(damn losers club) operates.

[madfloridian]

24. Right...but they don't see it that way.

:hi:

[saltpoint]

25. No need to replace a man doing a hell of a good job in a tough position.

Dr. Dean is effective and necessary.

[Rusty MacHenry]

26. I agree

DLC supporters fear and lothe Dean because he's effective, he puts us in the majority and he gives power to the states rather then DC Dems and corporation.

If that's a good plan then give me a amen

[saltpoint]

27. Hi, Rusty MacHenry, and welcome to DU. I think Howard Dean

will survive all the rumblings around him.

He's a reform Democrat and does things differently than they've been done by others in the past, and that rankles some folks.

But I love the guy and am glad he's our Chair.

[Rusty MacHenry]

28. that's why I love him

Cause unlike alot of other DNC chairs before (terry mcauliffe for example) Dean has a new plan for the party and created reform within the party's infrastructure.

I like Dean and I know he has the strghenth to fight the DLC/Corporate Dems cause he's a true progressive fightning for the cause.

Gotta love Dr.Dean

[Hippo_Tron]

29. Howard Dean will likely step down as DNC Chair if we win in '08

When there is an incumbent President, they run the party and the DNC Chair basically takes orders from the White House political director. Doesn't matter if it's Hillary, Obama, Richardson, or whoever, Dean won't stay in the job because it will no longer give him any power to help implement the 50 state strategy.

Harold Ford would be well suited for the DNC Chairmanship when it is a puppet position under the incumbent President. But should we not win the White House in '08, god forbid, I hope that Governor Dean will be keeping his current job.

[ellisonz]

30. Nuts?

:spank: