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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:16 PM
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TIME: Rove Joins Gonzales as a Target
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1600145,00.html

Rove Joins Gonzales as a Target
Friday, Mar. 16, 2007 By MASSIMO CALABRESI/WASHINGTON


The new e-mails showing Karl Rove's early involvement in the decision-making over the firing of U.S. attorneys are inconclusive on the central question underlying the dismissals: did President Bush or his top advisers put their own political interests ahead of the public interest? But on Capitol Hill, where ill-will toward the White House is growing by the day, lawmakers are more interested in learning who, if anyone, lied to Congress — and these e-mails will only further raise suspicions and keep investigators digging.

The e-mails show Rove was involved early on in figuring out which and how many U.S. attorneys would be fired. A Jan. 6, 2005, e-mail from one White House lawyer to another states that Rove wanted to know "how planned to proceed regarding U.S. Attorneys, whether we were going to allow all to stay, request resignations from all and accept only some of them, or selectively replace them, etc."

It's impossible to tell from this e-mail what position Rove took on the issue, only that he was interested in finding out what the plan was. But it does appear to fly in the face of White House attempts to distance top Administration officials from the firings. On Tuesday press secretary Tony Snow played down Rove's involvement in the early handling of the U.S. attorney firings and told reporters traveling with Bush that Rove had "expressed disagreement" with a proposal by then White House counsel Harriet Miers around the same time to fire all 93 of them. Deputy spokesman Tony Fratto insisted the White House has not been trying to distance Rove from the matter. "Karl recalls that Harriet raised it with him and he thought it was a bad idea and said so," Fratto said. "Nothing in this e-mail that was released contradicts that in any way."

The e-mails have come as Senators are grilling the White House for other details of its involvement in the firings. In a letter sent to President Bush Wednesday, Senator Charles Schumer cited a Feb. 23, 2007, letter from the Justice Department saying that "it was not aware of anyone lobbying" for the appointment of Tim Griffin as U.S. Attorney in Arkansas. Schumer then referred to a Dec. 19, 2006 e-mail by former Justice Department chief of staff Kyle Sampson saying that getting Griffin "appointed was important to Harriet, Karl, etc." Schumer asked Bush to "explain any involvement of Karl Rove or members of his staff in the decision to request the resignation" of the U.S. attorney Griffin was to replace.

Sampson, who resigned as chief of staff Monday, is the focus of much attention on the Hill. But the person most squarely in Congress's cross hairs is Sampson's former boss, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. On Tuesday, Bush said Gonzales "has got work to do up there," pacifying lawmakers, and though some read that as a possible prelude to Gonzales' forced resignation, most Administration watchers doubt the President would ever pull the plug himself on a Texas loyalist such as the Attorney General, who has been with Bush for years.

Whether or not he would accept Gonzales' resignation is another matter, and Gonzales is in enough trouble on the Hill that he may have to proffer it. Two Republican Senators are already on record calling for him to step down. And his disfavor is far more widespread. One senior G.O.P. aide calls Gonzales, "by objective measures a crony," and says, "We want it over." Minority Whip Trent Lott thinks Gonzales should stay, but says, "It's not good and the Democrats will poke at it for all it's worth."

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:18 PM
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1. Target? That's loaded language
How about "fellow conspirator"?
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:52 AM
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9. "Fellow Conspirator"? that's so tame
I prefer fellow scumbag minions of Satan.
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ourvoicescount Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 07:55 AM
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17. I'm with you on that one. K&R.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:33 PM
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2. Political interests about the public interest?
Glorioski! Next thing you know, Time will be telling us that water is wet.

It just baffles me how media outlets can put on this attitude of being shocked, shocked! to find out that the Bush administration plays politics. And furthermore, that the Bushistas and the Republicans might play politics with matters most folks would deem a little too important to be playing games with, like homeland security, disaster response, appointment of federal prosecutors, writing environmental legislation, going to war, and so on.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:44 PM
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3. Uh oh Karl, you better dust off that big stupid 'I am not a target' button
and put that puppy on your lapel again.
Asshole.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:00 PM
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4. Welcome to Mayberry--
Home of the Machiavellis.
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19jet54 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 12:49 AM
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5. Illegal?
Rove - "Washington State's Governor was decided by only a few hundred votes; investigate the Democrats and we can take that one away!!!"
Washington US Attorney - "No"
Gonzales - "Your Fired!"

Rove - "If we somehow arrest Rep Shelly Berkley, we can pick up another seat in Nevada or just make some shit up!!!"
Nevada US Attorney - "No"
Gonzales - "Your Fired!"

And on, and on, and on, and on, and on...

Well, I think you get the "Rove Strategy" with G.W. Bush in "election fraud"?

And Congress understands the lies too... the only question is where the buck stops!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 01:36 AM
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6. I think that's it, in its simplest form. And Welcome to DU, btw!
I think these people got so fat and arrogant that they became sloppy. VERY bad damage control ops going on there. They got caught flat-footed, with their pants down BELOW the ground, and are so spoiled by now that they're horribly flabby and not as nimble in fending off trouble. Besides, they're used to having the deck stacked so it's not that hard to fend off trouble in the first place. Unfortunately for them, the voters took care of that free ride last November.

Isn't it amazing, though, how much shit has come out just since late January? SO many scandals, SO little time. Seems like we get a new one at least once a week. And the committee work really has only just gotten started. Weeks ago, Henry Waxman did say that there was so much crap to poke into and clean up that he wasn't sure where to start. I can see that playing out rather obviously now.

The really sweet thing is how radically the complexion of the face of official Washington has changed. And how fast somebody can turn from King of the World to a Pet Goat. And once that turn has been reached, loyalty among the troops is gonna be that much harder to come by.

Which is a VERY good thing. We may get our IMPEACHMENTS yet! Here's hoping the whole mess just reeks SO horribly that even Nancy can't put it on ignore anymore.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:10 AM
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8. From the King of the World to a
Pet Goat.

Beautiful!

:thumbsup:

It happened to Nixon, too. He won his second election by a landslide.
I remember lots of people voting for Nixon, but being dissatisfied that he was the choice. There have to be repukes who feel that way about *. I wonder who is going to tell HIM he has to resign.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:11 PM
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13. Yes, it DID happen to Nixon. And I know there's buyers' remorse
in play now. Especially as the Dems manage to unearth more and more and more of this disgraceful shit. It's almost like the making of sausages. You like 'em. Just don't wanna know what's in 'em, or how they're made. In this case, those who "bought" the bush crap liked the sound and the look of it, especially early-on when everything seemed to be coming up roses and bush himself seemed invincible. But now we find out his whole thing is full of rat hairs and mouse pellets and bug bits and hog noses and floor dirt. WE knew this going in because we cared enough to make ourselves fully informed. But many others mindlessly trusted and bought the bullshit. And now they're seeing what's gone on behind the curtain and it offends their delicate sensibilities.

And one more thing, too. I think there are people in this country (and in EVERY country) whose self-image is caught up in the strength, macho, health, and virility of their leadership. The words you heard most frequently about John F. Kennedy were words like "young" and "vigor." And everybody loved that, especially coming out of the Eisenhauer era when all you got was elderly gents with no hair and heart attacks. Along comes a guy with a full head of dark, thick hair, relatively wrinkle-free skin and no age spots, tanned with muscles and sense of great fitness, a guy who's into contact sports, and his wife is elegant and charming and looks like a fashion model instead of a grandma. Everybody glommed onto that. America fell in love. That's how we saw ourselves. That's now we got to see ourselves now. New and improved! Young and vigorous. Vitality Incorporated. And when they were on view, whether they traveled or not, THAT was our face to the world. THEY were Mr. and Mrs. America, and we ALL reaped the benefit from it. Who wouldn't want to be associated with that, or have THAT representing them, image-wise? To a lesser, once-removed extent, that's what we got with the Clintons after years of doddering old reagan and his snippy, aging twerp successor bush I (whose wife looked like the guy on the Quaker Oats box). And Clinton had this outgoing, youthful, vigorous charm and sparkle about him and who couldn't love him? And his wife was modern and smart-as-a-whip and had worked as a lawyer so she was a savvy professional who brought a lot to the table, too.

Even in reagan's case, by the time he replaced Jimmy Carter, he brought in a new and, yes, vigorous era, with the sunny smile and the cheery charm and, to some, the movie-star good looks. I read this column in the LA Times by Bill Maher who noted that, at least reagan made people feel good about America, and about being Americans. That much, at least at first, was correct, and Jimmy Carter unfortunately left us in a bad mood from the hostage crisis and his landmark speech about the general American malaise. He was depressing, if truthful (and sometimes people don't want to know the truth). reagan came along with "Morning in America! YAY!" New and improved! YAY! Don't worry, be happy! YAY!

Look what we have now. Except in this case, we have things SO MUCH WORSE, SO MUCH MORE CORRUPT, even CRIMINAL, SO MUCH MORE SCANDALOUS on so many fronts you can't even count that high anymore.

I also think that bush II had this swagger and strut that he kidded about, at first (YEAH, SUUUUUURE) with the "it'd be a lot better if this was a dictatorship and I was the dictator" stuff. Remember "l'etat c'est moi"? The French king Louis the XIV, the so-called Sun King, who strutted and posed and declared "I am the state"?

The phrase "L'État, c'est moi" ("I am the State") is frequently attributed to him, though this is considered by historians to be a historical inaccuracy and is more likely to have been conceived by political opponents as a way of confirming the stereotypical view of the absolutism he represented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIV_of_France

"...the absolutism he represented." Indeed. Remind you of anybody? Well, it was so for Louis the XIV, and it's been true in dubya's mind, too (and in the minds of his sycophants and supporters and apologists and cover-up crews) for a long time. And I guess some people need, or needed, that strong absolutist, no-questions-allowed father-figure. bush certainly WANTED to be that. After all, he had a prominent, accomplished, and previously powerful dad to show up. And others around him wanted that, too. In the schoolyard, it was always preferable to hang out with the toughest bully. It made YOU tough, too, by association. But now, it's becoming painfully obvious to EVERYONE how badly we've been misled (well, SOME of us were misled), and what a phony front this all was. And as Americans (and especially other republi-CONS) get too much of a bellyful of this, they're gonna react. And rebel. And you won't be hearing the "I" word (IMPEACHMENT) only from Chuck Hagel.

Crap. I'm really running off at the mouth this evening. Just another fart from some gasbag, I suppose. :D
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 04:30 AM
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16. Great post and excellent analysis of American opinion. n/t
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:19 PM
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14. Rove thinks he's Donald Trump?
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 10:21 PM by djmaddox1
He's auditioning for 'The Apprentice'! :rofl:

I want to hear "You're fired" directed to the lot of 'em in our WH!

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 01:56 AM
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7. WOW surprised to hear Lott say that.
Of course, Gonzales is not Rove.
OTOH, perhaps he wants to make sure Bush tanks as far as he can go...
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:53 AM
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10. Chimpy may have to decide between Gonzo and KKKarl.
cuz the longer this drags on the closer KKKarl will come to being subpoenaed, and that I believe would be the mother of all cans of worms.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 01:28 PM
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11. Nah Nah Nah Nah... Nan Nah Nah Nah... Hey... Hey... Goodbye !!! - K & R !!!


Sigh...

:evilgrin:
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:36 PM
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12. Oh, yeah. That is just too sweet!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:20 AM
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15. You forgot the pee spot in his crotch
And never forget the hubris....

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