Pat Oliphant attacks Hillary

[El Supremo]

Bueno!

[n2doc]

1. That's not an attack- This is an attack:

[bigdarryl]

7. OH SHIT!!!! that is so funny

[LittleClarkie]

13. More sad, really

I really hope we don't get stuck with her.

[eleny]

23. That's how it hit me, too - just sad

[Greyhound]

11. And for your viewing pleasure...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x19777
:kick:

[Cha]

30. Who else does that

remind you of?

[Tom Joad]

2. this is unfair. She has not flip-flopped on the war. Supported it in the beginning,

Supports it now. Supports it in the future.
Hillary, one of America's warlords.

[Danascot]

3. She's losing me

I used to be her base. I live in NYS, went door to door for Hill and contributed to her campaigns. I thought she was an excellent Senator. But her triangulation, refusal to say her war vote was a mistake, and lack of courage have really alienated me. There are several other excellent Dem candidates and I'll support them over her.

[blm]

4. I used to be the Clinton base, too. Defended them fiercely for many a year - then I read his book.

And I now understand WHY he has worked so pointedly to rehabilitate Poppy Bush's legacy over the last 6 years.

[IndianaGreen]

5. Let's make sure that Hillary remains in the US Senate past 2009

She also said that she will keep a footprint of US troops and bases in Iraq past 2009. Got to protect Israel and that OIL.

[Learn2Swim]

6. with you. n/t

[Divernan]

8. And some of her wealthiest backers want a permanent US presence in the Middle East.

nt

[bvar22]

9. YES, Keep Hillary in the Senate!

America needs a champion to courageously fight against those evil flag burners and violence in VideoGames!

[enough already]

43. I predict she won't stay on in the Senate when she loses

It was always just a steppingstone to this run.

[Greyhound]

10. K & R

:kick:

[mtnsnake]

12. How little it takes to amuse you!

...especially if it's our current top Democratic candidate, Hillary, that's taking the beating!

Hey, everyone knows that Pat Oliphant is Kerry's personal good buddy, and he's just trying to take the heat off his old pal by portraying someone other than Kerry, in this case Hillary, as a flip flopper. Sorry, Pat, your cartoons are usually good, but there's only one official flip flopper, and his name isn't Hillary!

[SaveElmer]

14. More Republican propaganda...

Courtesy of the "progressives" at DU!!!

[Clarkie1]

15. Who is Elmer?

Is it Fudd?

[SaveElmer]

16. Nope...

If you really wanna know....

My wife was leaving the house one day and I yelled "Say you love me," but I talk kind of fast and she thought I said Save Elmer...

Been an inside joke ever since!!!

So there you have the first time I have revealed the etymology of my handle!!!

[Pirate Smile]

28. I've always wondered. That's cute.

[Kurovski]

32. RE: "More Republican propaganda...Courtesy of the "progressives" at DU!!!"

From the army manual on psy-ops:

"Disapproval

This technique is used to get the audience to disapprove of an action or idea by suggesting that the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or held in contempt by the target audience. If a group that supports a policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or contemptible people also support it, then the members of the group might decide to change their position."

--Two can play.

[SaveElmer]

33. Doesn't mean it isn't true...nt

[Kurovski]

34. So are you saying that Sen Clinton has told us definitely that she will either

1)Continue sending troops to Iraq.

2)Get the troops out of Iraq.

Since when is making an observation on reality Republican propaganda?

Clinton is cagey. Many politicians are cagey.

And many people are done with that brand of politics. It is the old politics, and we are entering a new era.

[SaveElmer]

36. She has laid out a responsible plan...

For disengaging us from Iraq. We are in a situation there where no option is going to work out particularly well. I think that so far, she has given us the best option for getting our troops out of there while giving some hope that all out massacre is not the result of us leaving...

These cartoons do not accurately portray her current or prior position on the war...

[Kurovski]

40. I respect your decision.

I'm still shopping.

Here are five pieces of information:

Americans want out of Iraq.

Iraqis want Americans out of Iraq.

And the massacres will continue regardless.

There are powerful forces that wish us to remain in Iraq to continue the on-going billions-of-dollars boondoggle/catastrophe.

From observation, the cartoon is accurate on her style as a politician.

[Kurovski]

37. Hillary has top name recognition. Anyone in the world who has seen a TEEVEE

knows who she is.

I'm not entirely certain at this early juncture that she is as you say, "...our current top Democratic candidate..."

[BenDavid]

17. Well, all I can say to all you

haters, best give it all you have this year because in 08 hrc will have weathered all the negative crap coming from most democrats, and all republicans.
HRC will be the nominee and will be the 44th president of the united states.

[Kurovski]

18. Perhaps you might also feel that they "hate non-beheaded people with clean rooms."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x445635

If "most Democrats and all Republicans" dislike the idea of Sen. Clinton for president, who will be voting her in? Diebold? You've got me a little worried here. :-)

[churchofreality]

20. Cheers!

Thats the spirit!

[blm]

22. and you'll be the first to hold her accountable when she closes the books on Bush2

the same way Bill closed the books on Bush1's crimes of office - - Right?

[Andromeda]

19. Cute.

I'll bet Hillary is laughing her head off...

And she'll still be laughing when she is elected first woman president of the U.S.

[Tellurian]

25. Hear, hear!

when you hear the same repetitive crapola over and over again, "footprint", "closing the books", "corporatist", "DLC".
You know who these these people are: "If they ever had an original thought, it would die of loneliness."

'Kewel private joke' to Save Elmer! Thanks, for sharing..:hi:

[Kurovski]

26. Things are what they are.

A truth is told more than once. There is no "original thought" when it comes to a set of facts and observed behaviours. They are what they are.

So, is Hillary bringing home the troops, because that's what Americans want, #1 concern. That's it. that's what the OP is about.

Your post is a psy-ops "bandwagon" basic, writ small:

"Disapproval

This technique is used to get the audience to disapprove of an action or idea by suggesting that the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or held in contempt by the target audience. If a group that supports a policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or contemptible people also support it, then the members of the group might decide to change their position."

Oh my stars, garters and doctorate degree! "unoriginal thinkers"! perish the thought...

[Tellurian]

29. Things are what they are..

And your point is?

[Kurovski]

31. Read the whole post, not just the title.

Please don't dick around with me. I'm not in the goddam mood for game playing.

Sen. Hillary Clinton is who she is. She is what she does and what she says. All of it. Not just the things we may happen to like.

People look at her full record, her actions and what she says and they make there decisions from that. it does not make people "haters" or "predictable types" , "unoriginal thinkers", or even stupid.

It makes them people who happen to disagree with you.

There is a wee crew here at DU who are using some shit-ass psy-op techniques (whether purposefully or not) when it comes to folks disagreeing on a HRC presidency.

Or maybe Hillary just has the rude, flippant, and bullying contingent sewn up.

Please knock it off.

Thank you and have a pleasant evening.

[Kurovski]

42. OK, so now it's two days later,

and I regret being so rude. Although I can understand if you don't accept my apology, I nevertheless extend one to you, Tellurian.

We're not enemies here. My anger overtook what shred of manners I have left to me.

I'm sorry.

And as I've said before elsewhere, if Sen. Clinton gets the nomination, I will vote for her and support her.

Additionally, I'd like to say that I hope you just brushed me off, but in case I created any bad feeling for you, please know that I feel real regret that I might have hurt you.

[churchofreality]

21. The republicans laugh at us

We spend so much time bashing out own candidates, they don't have to lift a finger.

[Kurovski]

24. Right-wingers are notorious for having no sense of humor,

so anyone worrying about what freeps laugh at is wasting their fucking time, and might be in need of a shrink. (see, it's easy to post mind-fucking statements! :D)

Better to use that time and instead thoroughly examine the candidates. Things are what they are, candidates do what they do, and --for crissake--it's going to be DISCUSSED and CRITICIZED.

When a candidate plays old-time political games of hemming and hawing, they are going to get their ASSES KICKED, and possibly KICKED TO THE CURB. This is NOT the day and age where we can afford that brand of morally bereft commitment to...nothing.

We're fucking SICK of politicians who say NOTHING so they can later take no responsibility, or claim they did or did not say something--whatever expediency demands. We know the game Hillary plays. We know the game. She's not alone in playing it.

Sen Clinton is right there in the open! we can see how she operates. And there is NOTHING that a Hillary Clinton operative or anyone else here on DU can do to change that fact.

What a manipulative, mind-fucking post you've shared here, cor. It's basic message is "Shut the fuck up."

When Republicans and their Democratic right-wingers-in-arms want to down a candidacy, they just DO it. What we say means fuck-zero to them. If they wanted Hilary out, they'd have flattened her long ago.

With a "Dean scream" or some "swift-boat" shit, a plane crash or...well you get my point.

[Kurovski]

27. Kick.(nt)

[unkachuck]

35. kick....n/t

[unkachuck]

38. hi Hillary....

....supporters....how was your day today?....

[unkachuck]

39. I'm sorry, please excuse me....

....just one more time, you Hillary supporters did see the two political cartoons at the top of the thread, didn't you?

[Kurovski]

41. Stop by anytime.

It's a Hillary "chat". Apple pie and hot sizzling slices of pizza will be served as soon as she shows up with the caterer.

[Learn2Swim]

44. I'm starving...

You think I could get a slice of the pizze'?