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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 07:21 AM
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Will 04-06 Obama's "good soldier" I didn't have the intel so I can't critize IWR votes mute his main
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From 2004 to 2006 there are several Obama quotes/emails that could be called being a good soldier - if you are a Obama supporter, or be called telling the truth, if you support someone who voted for the IWR. Will the revelation of these quotes existing mute Obama's only developed issue and force him to move on to other issues in detail?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 07:32 AM
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1. He's trying to stay above the mudslinging...good for him
If he stepped down into that, he'd have a handful of democratic primary candidates after him as a group.

I'm not taken to supporting any of the candidates at this point, but I think avoiding the mudslinging at this point is a darn good idea.

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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 09:03 AM
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5. "Edwards is good-looking"? What's that about?
Do you think when he referred to the only candidate who has put out any real ideas (another today on energy) as merely "good-looking" he was intending to compliment Edwards or denigrate him? Quit seeing the guy you want to see in Obama and start seeing the guy (or shadow of a guy) who is there.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 09:11 AM
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7. Obama has put out many real ideas. Read his proposition in the Senate on many of the same issues.
The good thing is that he did not wait to run for president before he presented his ideas.

As for Edwards, he started with absolutely no positions on issues. Good for him if he is starting to put some meat on the bones, but this is totally new (just a few weeks).
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 09:33 AM
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8. My point is that Obama can't unite the other opponents against him
Obama nor any of the other candidates can afford to do that. Edwards is also avoiding making any general condemnation of others' IWR vote.

For Obama it makes sense that he avoid unifying his opposition along their IWR votes, or other issues. By not entering into that he avoids a round of mudslinging.

But Obama, and the each other candidate, can take the others on an individual basis.

Obama has been interested in building support on campuses and he finds plenty of ammo that he can feed the YouTube generation. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Obama say something about Hillary's ability to sing on key and doing it in a way that is loaded with double meaning. And I'm wondering if his statement about Edwards wasn't playing with the combing hair video.


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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 07:37 AM
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2. The Clinton campaign is obviously feeling the pressure and this reeks of desperation.
Obama was out and up front in opposition to the war from the beginning. Hillary can throw up all the dust in the world but her vote for the IWR and her subsequent cheer-leading and flip-flopping on the issue will haunt her.

Obama's opposition to the war, and his plan for withdrawal, is hardly his only developed issue.
----> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 07:55 AM
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3. Yes. Watch the YouTube video from Barack Obama: Bringing an End to the Iraq War
Bringing an End to the Iraq War

Video at link: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/iraq

Before the war in Iraq began, Senator Obama had the courage to stand up to the politics and propaganda and speak out against a war he knew to be ill-conceived.

Over the last four years, Senator Obama’s position has been clear and consistent: the decision to go to war was a mistake. And we should be as careful pulling our troops out as we were careless going in.

In January, Senator Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007. It moves to reverse the President's dangerous escalation and set a new policy for the United States in Iraq that will bring a responsible end to the war and make the prospect of a long-term peace possible.
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Learn2Swim Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 09:03 AM
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6. more of this will start happening as Hill slides
Edited on Tue Mar-20-07 09:04 AM by Learn2Swim
further and further down in the polls. :hi: Toodles, Hill.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 09:00 AM
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4. May be - People are stupid enough to accept statements taken out of context.
Edited on Tue Mar-20-07 09:01 AM by Mass
And yes, by the same way, I can probably find a few statements that make Hillary look like the leader of the out of Iraq caucus. We all know that both impressions are totally distorted, and those who believe that probably also thought that Bush was a "compassionate" Conservative.

Frankly, if Obama was ready to be responsible, think about issues, and try to find solutions, rather than grab the first slogan that will please people, all the more power to him.

Of course, it is very unsatisfying to those who think that the louder you yell, the more convincing and useful you are.

This said, it seems that we are all the more ready to accept the first panderer if he says what we like.

In fact, this article makes me like Obama a little more.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 06:25 PM
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9. The IWR context for "I did not have the intel that they did" was Kerry 04 n/t
n/t
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