Are Lee, Grijalva, Kucinich, Stark, Waters and Woolsey all wrong for opposing the supplement?

[Exultant Democracy]

Poll question: Are Lee, Grijalva, Kucinich, Stark, Waters and Woolsey all wrong for opposing the supplement?

This issue seems to be heating up and MoveOn just had a very interesting poll. Here is a post in support of the 6 holdouts http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/no-more-blank-checks-vot_b_43834.html

And here is the question a it was put to MoveOn members.
"Dear MoveOn member,

We've got a big decision coming up this week, and we need to make it together, as a community.

As early as Wednesday, the House may vote on a Democratic proposal on Iraq. The proposal was put together by Speaker Pelosi and Congressmen Obey and Murtha. It is going to be a close vote—the Republicans are against it and some conservative Democrats are uncomfortable with the bill.

Most, but not all, of the progressives in Congress are planning on voting for the bill. These progressives, like many of us, don't think the bill goes far enough, but see it as the first concrete step to ending the war. And President Bush is threatening to veto it for the same reason.

I've told Rep. Murtha that this was a decision for MoveOn's members to make. Now I'm asking you to help make it. Should we support or oppose the Democrats' plan? Just click here to register your view:"

Well I also want y'all to register your views so vote and comment if you have anything to add.

[Exultant Democracy]

1. Kick

[Exultant Democracy]

2. interesting

when MoveOn sent out the letter above they received almost the exact opposite response from its membership then we have gotten here so far.

[IndianaGreen]

3. The bill, as it stands, is full of pork and it gives Bush a blank check on Iran

Published on Monday, March 19, 2007 by PRWatch.org

Why Won't MoveOn Move Forward?

by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton

This week marks the fourth anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. To commemorate the occasion, the online advocacy group MoveOn.org is organizing more than 1,000 candlelight vigils throughout the United States. "We'll solemnly honor the sacrifice made by more than 3,000 servicemen and women, and we'll contemplate the path ahead of us," states MoveOn's website. "We cannot send tens of thousands of exhausted, under-equipped, and unprepared troops into the middle of an Iraqi civil war. ... Honor the sacrifice. Stop the escalation. Bring the troops home."

MoveOn's 3.2 million members strongly oppose any continuation of the war, and the language above seems to suggest that MoveOn's leadership agrees. But MoveOn's organizing around Iraq has become notably ambiguous lately. Although it talks in general terms about bringing the troops home, specific timetables or meaningful steps in that direction are nowhere discussed. Most strikingly, MoveOn has adamantly refused to support the Iraq amendment from Congressional Progressive Caucus leaders Barbara Lee, Lynn Woolsey and Maxine Waters, which calls for "a fully funded, and systematic, withdrawal of U.S. soldiers and military contractors from Iraq" by the end of 2007.

Politically, the Lee amendment cannot pass; fewer than 100 members of Congress are expected to vote for it. However, the same thing is true of weaker legislation that MoveOn is currently supporting, in league with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha and David Obey. The Pelosi bill merely establishes "benchmarks" of progress in Iraq, so that all Bush has to do is certify that he is making progress on those goals to keep funding flowing for the war. Instead of withdrawing troops this year, the Pelosi bill talks about beginning to withdraw them in March 2008. Even so, it faces united Republican opposition and is not expected to pass the U.S. Senate, even if it is approved by the House of Representatives. And even if it does pass, Bush has already said he will veto it. So why was the Democratic Party leadership so determined to prevent the Lee amendment from even coming to the floor - and why has MoveOn.org avoided even mentioning the Lee proposal to its members?

On Sunday, MoveOn distributed a survey asking its members to vote on three options: support the Pelosi bill; oppose it; or "not sure." MoveOn's Eli Pariser described the survey in an email as an opportunity for members to participate in "a big decision coming up this week. ... MoveOn is a member-directed organization - we believe that all of us, together, are smarter than any one of us." In fact, however, MoveOn's survey was designed to conceal from its members the option of supporting the stronger anti-war amendment put forth by the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

There are, of course, other ways of running a survey. When TrueMajority.org recently surveyed its members about the best way forward, they offered three choices: the Lee plan, the Pelosi plan, and the option of demanding that Congress reject any further war funding, period. Only 24 percent of TrueMajority's members supported the Pelosi plan - which appears to be the reason why MoveOn's survey gave their members no choice but the Pelosi plan.

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0319-28.htm

[Exultant Democracy]

4. That article brings to light some very important issues.

It is one of the reasons I wanted to put a poll in the field here, but it seems as if I don't have the nack for a catchy poll question.

[IndianaGreen]

5. It is a good poll dealing with a pending legislative matter

I don't think most people know that the Pelosi approach is futile and shallow, and that what Congresswomen Waters and Lee propose is substantive. We got to stop this war, and that means cut the funding off for everything except withdrawal.

I suspect that the establishment Democrats want to keep US troops and bases in Iraq in perpetuity. They just want to reduce the number of troops to a point in which the violence in Iraq stops being reported in the American press. Out of sight, out of mind!

[Exultant Democracy]

6. We do love our bases, and the bet and biggest are being built in Iraq.

or just most expensive the jury is out still.

[IndianaGreen]

7. Don't forget the one billion dollar embassy we are building in Baghdad

It is as large as the Kremlin complex! Don't look like we are planning to leave Iraq anytime soon.

[mmonk]

8. I'm with the six.

Their position is the only real alternative to current politics on the subject.