Hillary Clinton - America's choice!

[quinnox]

After seeing a positive thread I thought I would join in. It is a nice change of pace from all the crap that is usually here about the wonderful lady, Hillary Clinton.

She is so smart and the republicans don't like her for that, and she has the steel necessary to slug it out with the republicans in the trenches.

Hillary is also charming and she cares about the common man. She has so many sparkling qualities. It is very easy to adore Hillary, and many Democrats do. And her lovely husband ain't bad either!

Hillary Clinton - a shining light for America!

[babylonsister]

1. ...

:eyes: But good for you for thinking that!

[MannyGoldstein]

2. We Are Not Worthy

Twice each day I pray that God makes me good enough for a Hillary presidency. While I've not yet achieved this exalted state of being, I draw strength and comfort thinking of how she must so love us that she can overlook our iniquities.

[silverweb]

3. ...

:D

[Whoa_Nelly]

4. Now that's a prayer

:spray:

[Clarkie1]

76. .

:rofl:

[Clarkie1]

78. delete. nt

[MADem]

5. I think she deserves a fair shot like everyone else, not cheap shots.

She gets so many here, it offends my sense of fairness.

I look forward to hearing her at the debates. I look forward to all of the candidates, actually.

I hope the questions are good, and not pandering GOTCHA horseshit questions, I hope they get down to REAL issues, and I hope they give the candidates time to answer fully, as opposed to forcing them to speak in soundbites.

I actually prefer debates where the candidates SIT at a table and exchange views with the help, guidance and governing of a moderator. Those standing-at-the-podium things just are too contrived, to me.

I wish her and the rest of the field the best of luck. That said, if Gore jumps in, I shed my "undecided" veneer!

[quinnox]

8. you are so right

so many cheap shots are taken of her, it is a shame. And if Gore gets in I might join you!

[Hardrada]

11. Here in Iowa, we are accustomed to asking questions

of the candidates in quite relaxed surroundings and in small groups. I would like to eat cheese and crackers with with Hillary since I do have some questions for her. If she answers them to my satisfaction, I'll give her some more thought. Incidentally, I was more impressed by Theresa Kerry than I was by her husband. He was in our town twice and she was here once and did well, I thought.

[Tom Joad]

6. She won't ever see the white house again.

[quinnox]

9. we shall see!

[Tellurian]

27. Great thread, quinnox...

:toast:

[MADem]

18. Well, that's not true even if she loses or withdraws from the race.

She has a house near the WH, and surely she'll get over there for the odd grip and grin, like they ALL do. She probably sees it most days of the week. I'm guessing she probably likes her current digs better--those "family quarters" in the WH aren't all that hot, really. They're ok, but they aren't terribly luxurious. It's the staff that makes the place, really.

But hey, it WAS a dramatic kinda statement. I guess that's what you were going for....cue the dire music?

[Tom Joad]

33. Should have said, the inside of the White House... and of course that is the hope of

everyone who works for peace.

[MADem]

46. See, even that's not true. Senators, especially those with seats on the SASC, are frequent guests

at the White House, especially in times when that committee's work has prominence.

And to suggest that a former first lady would never again enter the building is just...well, as I said..."dramatic"...but that IS what you were going for.

[lvx35]

7. "she has the steel necessary to slug it out with the republicans"

Yeah, I'm not gonna stand in her way. Hillary Clinton puts the fear of God in me.

And on the positive side, I do like what she says, once I get past the surface. Here is the video that was featured in the Obama 1984 apple ad:


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/11.aspx

Once you get past the beginning, She starts talking about doing what somebody has to do, which is standing up to big oil in a serious way. I recommend anybody check it out.

[Colobo]

10. I guess I'm not part of America then...

[AtomicKitten]

12. She doesn't deserve the disrespect she gets here at DU.

This place makes me ashamed to be a Democrat sometimes.

[IndianaGreen]

15. She disrespected LGBTs, and the people of Venezuela (the workers, the poor, the indigenous)

and last week she talked about keeping US troops and bases in Iraq beyond 2009. Give me a break!

[AtomicKitten]

17. maybe you should consider giving her one

This "disrespect" you allege is conflated to suit your agenda.

I was just wondering tonight if your head would explode if she gets the Democratic nod.

[IndianaGreen]

19. If she gets the Democratic nod, she will hurt our slate in Indiana

Hillary is polarizing and she will hurt our chances to retake the governorship from an unpopular first term Republican governor, and will hurt us in the statehouse where Democrats control the lower chamber.

On a more personal level, a fellow DUer is challenging a long-time Republican incumbent at a city council. If Hillary is the nominee, those independents that are now leaning Democratic for the first time since forever, will be turned off from voting Democratic.

We have strong blue districts in Indiana, and Democrats won several House seats last year.

Hillary is a loser for Indiana Democrats!

[AtomicKitten]

20. and I have no doubt whatsoever

... that you are doing everything you can to make that prediction come true

[IndianaGreen]

21. I am trying to prevent the fiasco that a Hillary nomination will entail

and I will tell you, I told you so!

I don't appreciate your insinuation, AK. Par for you!

[Tellurian]

26. Apparently, Indiana is as tired of Republicanism as the rest of the country..

Democrats should be a shoe in for the 09' vote..

[karynnj]

24. Indiana made gains in the House that I would never have thought possible

and all those freshmen Democratic House members will be running for re-election.

I grew up in Indiana and still speak (and see) many people there - in the biggest Democratic stronghold. I was shocked to hear (known coonservative)friends, of my parents speaking of the war. Many sounded like they could fit here on DU - though they would freak at some of the language.

[Ethelk2044]

30. Clinton

She deserves to be criticized just like all other dems. If she can not take a dem criticizing her what will she do if she wins the primary. Face it yes we criticize all of them. Yes, they all deserve it at some point and time. She needs to have stuff skin if not she will not win. IF any of them do not have stuff skin they will not win. So when people say we bash her then they really need to take a look at the rwing. They are going to try to eat her alive. She comes with baggage. They are going to use that baggage in the general election. If you can not take it now. Wait till the general election. Then you post another post stating how people criticize her. You would think we were being polite to her and loved her to death once the rwing gets finished with her.

[Tellurian]

38. I don't have a problem with

criticizing Hillary for legitimate issues included in her campaign platform. It's the made up ones propagandized as fact, that are unfair to her as a candidate. Those same talking points given freely by some here that will be used against her by the Right Wing. My point is, why give them ammo they should be mining themselves. Hillary IS the only one that has the wherewithal to fight the GOP effectively, guaranteeing a Democratic president is inaugurated into the WH in 09'

[sendero]

70. She seems to be...

... a lot better at criticising other Dem potentials than she is Republicans.

Everyone talks about how "tough" she is, but where is the rhetoric? She's had 6 years to comment on the ongoing fiasco that is the Bush presidency, and I've heard her do it about 4 times.

If she gets the nom I will hold my nose and vote for her, but I don't have any particular respect for her because she hasn't earned any respect. Being the wife of Bill is just not enough.

[quinnox]

16. yup

same here.

[JeffR]

13. She ain't so bad

but she ain't my shining light. I admire your admiration for her, quinnox, but I won't share it even if I have to cast my vote for her should she win the nomination.

[skipos]

14. I don't dislike her personally

but I can't think of any reason to support her in the primaries.

She doesn't have the best voting record of all the candidates.
She doesn't have the most experience.
She sure as heck won't be any kind of unifier.
About 45% of America is already commited to voting against her.
Many rightwingers (like Falwell) want her to be our nominee, which isn't a good sign.
She has the most name recognition but still gets spanked by Dame Rudy and Weathervane McCain in most polls.

[MGKrebs]

84. I would offer the following:

- If "best" voting record means "most progressive" voting record, you are correct. But in this case, that record must translate to primary and general election wins; something the candidate with the "best" record is unlikely to be able to do.
- "Most experience" is a double edges sword. This is a big part of the reason that Senators rarely get elected President- they have such an extensive voting record, and the process is such that their voting record can be used to support ANY criticism, that limited experience can be beneficial (sad as that is).
- I happen to think she could be a unifier, but I realize there is not much evidence for this at this time.
- That 45% is related to the name recognition thing. Her name recognition (I believe) is tied closely to the vague sense of negativity people feel due to the RW hate machine spew over the last ten years. Most of that is baseless and just petty rumor mongering, and if HC's campaign is worth what she is paying them, they will shine a bright light on that stuff and make people realize how bogus it is.
- To believe that the RW wants HC to be the Dem nominee, one would have to believe that they believe they have done such a good job creating negativity about her that it can't be overcome. First, I don't believe that is the case, and second, I refuse to help them in their effort.


Some people do vote on a single issue or a single quality, but I think most people evaluate based on a number of criteria and arrive at a balance that meets most of their needs the best. Being superior in one quality is not much help if one is seriously deficient in another (this may be Guliani's problem).

I do think it is a fascinating campaign to watch. She is clearly very willful and a very capable fighter, but she will be going up against formidable obstacles.

[JNelson6563]

22. Nice positive post!

While Senator Clinton is not my first choice I do appreciate your post. A nice change from what I've seen lately from some of her supporters.

:toast: Julie

[Clark2008]

23. It is a nice, positive post.

Too bad talk radio has now annointed Fred Thompson.

Granted, I'm in Tennessee - but that's all the callers are talking about, too.

[Township75]

25. Your post epitomizes what I think the problem is

Your post is filled with sparkling adjectives about how smart and swell she is, but doesn't say anything about her record. Is she more charming and caring about hte common man than Edwards or Obama? Is she smarter?

How about starting a post telling us why HC is America's choice based on her voting record? I think that would do more to persuade people to share your view.

[MADem]

47. Here you go--I believe that it is best if people do their own research

That way, they can't be taken in by bullshit, lies, half facts, and rightwing talking points.

Here is the voice of the candidate: http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/

And here is a link to a site where you can compare her record with that of others who are running. For undecided voters, like myself, it's especially helpful. It even includes a handy graph of where she sits politically! Enjoy, now!

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[Tellurian]

49. Senator Clinton's Voting Record

at the first link below:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm



and if you scroll down to the very bottom, you'll see her Scores on her Political Philosophy
where it shows strong support for Sexual Orientation Protected By Civil Rights Laws.

Overall her scores are most in line with Hard Core Liberals.

http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a1=1&a2=2&a3=1&a4=4&a8=2&a9=5&a10=5&a5=5&a6=2&a7=5&a14=5&a15=1&a16=4&a19=2&a17=5&a18=2&a20=2&a11=1&a12=5&a13=2&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=55&e=33&t=17

[MasonJar]

73. Hill's record as the senator from New York speaks volumes about

her committment to what is right and fair. She has stood up for New Yorkers, including the firemen and policemen. She exposed the Bush lies on the pollution at the WTC site. Etc.

[BoneDaddy]

28. I hear she craps gold

and can turn your soul to pure light when she smiles.

[Alamom]

29. That would sure help with our gigantic deficit............n/t

[BoneDaddy]

42. lol

I know i am picking on the Hillary folks, but it is hard not to with the way they speak of her.

[Ethelk2044]

31. Let me put my boots on

It is getting really getting thick. I do not want it to get on my feet. :rofl:

[MadHound]

32. I hear ya!

Sorry, but a Hillary nomination would be disastorous for the Democratic party. The left would leave in droves, as would the anti-war folks. As far as her being for the common man, that's a real load of crap, being that she's a bought and paid for corporate whore much like her husband was.

Sorry, no matter what the question is, Hillary isn't the answer.

[DemKR]

34. Hillary for president!!!

[churchofreality]

41. Finally some sense on DU. I was getting bored with all the Hillary bashing.

She is the best candidate by far.

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[ShortnFiery]

35. IMO, she's no role model for young women ... I supported her in the past but Never More. n/t

[LibDemAlways]

36. She's the choice of repukes who want to

see the Dems lose in 08. No one candidate would motivate the wingnuts more than Hillary. And I've never understood how she'd be able to cobble together an electoral victory. No thanks, I'll pass.

[churchofreality]

39. Thats a load of crap. They are afraid and rightly so.

She is the only one who fights back. They had their way with Dean and Kerry. She will knock their teeth out and expose them for who they are.

[Ethelk2044]

40. I disagree

CEO of faux donating?

[LibDemAlways]

43. Repukes I know have been talking about a Hillary

candidacy for a couple of years like it's a done deal. They expect her to be the Dem nominee and they expect her to galvanize the opposition.

Not trying to pick a fight, but I really wish someone who supports Hillary and thinks she'd be a strong candidate would explain how she'd gather enough electoral votes to win.

[churchofreality]

58. Easy, Florida and Ohio.

Plus the states Kerry won. End of story.

[LibDemAlways]

60. Big assumptions there.

You assume that Hillary would win every state won by Gore and Kerry. New Mexico flipped to the repukes in 2004 - and yes, I recognize that vote fraud was probably an issue. Wisconsin went Dem by only 11,000 votes and is by no means "safe."

Chimp and Cheney won Florida by almost 400,000 votes in 04. Even assuming repuke dirty tricks, that state seems to be trending red. Ohio is probably a toss-up, by no means a sure thing.

[HughBeaumont]

68. Yeah, I think the 65+ bright red Ohiah counties would stick a wrench in that little assumption . ..

She'd be in danger of turning some lavender counties red.

And aren't you forgetting that some states BARELY went blue (MI, PA, etc) in 2004?

[ChiciB1]

64. Agree With You & Said Same Many ,Many, Many Months Ago!

Down here in Florida, Repukes are salivating for her to be the nominee! Count me OUT!!!!!

[Ethelk2044]

44. She is not the only one who Fights

Matter of Fact, her group has been trying to pick fights with Obama since she announced. He has punched back and punched hard to let her know he will not be taking her mess.

[Tellurian]

45. Obama has made a decent showing so far..

will he go the distance is anyone's guess. He's never had to before. His opposition has always dropped out just before voting day. This is his first outing at having a popular candidate to duel it out with on primary day.

[Ethelk2044]

54. He will go the Distance

From watching him so far. He will not back down and his wife will not back down from a good fight.

[Tellurian]

61. Hillary is in it to Win..

She and former President Clinton are prepared to hit the ground running with programs already in the works putting this rogue Junta terrorizing our country into a perpetual slumber. I'd say, it's way past time backing up these charlatans and putting them in their place. Bill and Hill are just the people who can do it!

Best Wishes, though, to Obama...as always!

[lwesty]

37. 4 of your 8 sentences contain her name

and that has me wondering... :)

[mtnsnake]

48. Ya know something....I think I'm starting to come around to Senator Clinton

:evilgrin:

[Arugula Latte]

50. I'm jumping on her bandwagon right now!!! ...

On second thought ... Nah.

[Learn2Swim]

52. .

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

51. Hillary Clinton - Quinnox's choice!

[Dr Fate]

53. I liked Bill while he was being impeached. And I liked Hill when she was being attacked.

They both stood up to the GOP & media pretty well. When it's their own skin, they stand up to the GOP- when it's major issues that *I* care about, not so well.

Hill seemed to have lost her ability to fight the Right when she caved into Rove, the media & Bush and supported a war that was based on lies.

I like the Clintons for the reasons you state too- but now I'm looking at issues, not just their ability to bait the Right of the 1990's.

[Tellurian]

63. It was more than pretty well, They prevailed!

and are coming back to finish unfinished business!

[Dr Fate]

67. Hillary failed when it came to protecting me though.

She fought the GOP well when it was her own skin at stake- and I loved her for it at the time- when it was my skin at stake- she turned her back and supported & defended Bush's war on several occasions.

[Greyhound]

56. LOL!

See, Kool-Aid does come in a variety of flavors!



:rofl:

[Alamom]

57. kick

[SOS]

59. America's choice!

...except for that pesky 46% of voters who say they would never vote for her under any circumstance.

[HughBeaumont]

62. Not the American worker's choice -

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/538674.cms

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/593175.cms

[SaveElmer]

65. Kick on this one!!!...nt

[Tellurian]

72. America's Last Chance..

for successfully electing a Democratic President..



FOR PRESIDENT!

[Zhade]

66. America's LAST choice, hopefully.

NT!

[tammywammy]

69. My thoughts exactly

[martymar64]

71. And her farts smell like fresh baked cinnamon rolls

She forged the landmark deal between UNICEF and Smith and Wesson

She also rides around in an ice cream truck covered in human skulls

Not to mention, she was considered the 6th Go-Go

TO HILLARY!!!!!!

[liberal renegade]

77. how would you know what her farts smell like?

[Tyo]

74. America's choice for what? n/t

[liberal renegade]

75. nobody stands a chance against her!

i'm predicting a landslide victory for Hillary.....

[Clarkie1]

79. American's resent being told who their "choice" is by anyone.

Keep posting theads with that in the title line, please.

[Clarkie1]

80. The kind of crap in the OP's title line is the basis for the 1984 utube commercial.

That kind of title line just goes to show that it was right on message.

Don't ****ing tell ME who MY choice is, thank you very much!

[Larkspur]

81. Hillary is the Corporatist's Choice

She favors free trade and the shipping good paying American jobs overseas in exchange for corporate donations to her campaign.

[zulchzulu]

82. You have to admit that the tagline is a tad corny...

"America's choice"...sounds like dog food or coffee...

[Clarkie1]

83. spoon-fed to the massses

:puke: