Hillary's "genuineness" problem

[cleveramerican]

this is it, the thing that has many many dems taking a hard look at weather we want four years of staged, poll-tested "positions".She comes off as no fire in the belly, fully resumed for the presidency, but not sure why she wants it, or what she'll do with it once its achieved.At its worst it resembles arrogance, which after four years of W, the voters want no part of.
I know its largely Bill's baggage but its stuck to her and its not going away.
I just think every other candidate seems twice as genuine with half the effort.
If she gets the nod this is the thing she will be hammered endlessly about by the republicans, and it WILL resonate with the electorate, it could unravel her campaign, no matter who the republicans nominate.

[Missy M]

1. I think Hillary has plenty of "fire in the belly" and is genuine...

in wanting to be president. Why is Hillary running for president viewed as her being arrogant, yet the others running are not arrogant. Amazing how all the other candidates are genuine, but not Hillary. I'm sure Hillary knows why she wants to be president, like the others running she believes she can do a good job.

[cleveramerican]

7. I'm sure you're right

its that she APPEARS less genuine, rightly or wrongly.

This came to me during The Edwards' press conference, I was thinking Hillary would never ever do a press conference like this.

By the way I'm quite sure they are all equally calculating and driven, it just shows with her more.

[Missy M]

8. How do you know what Hillary would or wouldn't do?

Of course she would do a press conference if she was in the same situation, as would any of the other candidates.

[cleveramerican]

18. never ever has she

been willing to be that vulnerable in front of the press or the nation, its just not in her nature, which is why it struck me so.

[paulk]

2. sure, whatever

what a pile of right wing crap

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[snowbear]

3. Ok, that's an ucky picture...

Looks like a poop pretzel or something.

QUICK.. we need a photo of a sourdough pretzel !!!

[Missy M]

4. Thanks for saying it....

it's what I really wanted to say.

[papau]

10. Hillary is - fill the in the right wing crap word of the day - seems to hit DU daily - I

personally do not know Hillary - but I do personally know how hard she fought for single payer in 93 - giving up only after our Lobbyists had fooled Bill into believing he would have insurance company support for universal coverage that did not affect insurance company profits. It was the same ploy we used when Nixon wanted single payer back in 73 - and it worked again with Bill.

And until Bill bought in to the health insurance company con job and ORDERED everyone to drop the single payer idea, saying he was going to start up a task force that would have Hillary as its head, and saying the task force would not be allowed to consider single payer - until that point, Hillary fought hard as hell for single payer.

To say she is a fake is bullshit. Indeed I KNOW that she is as real a progressive liberal as any on DU, one that sticks to the beliefs she had in the 70's. Where she differs from many on DU is that she, like Bill, is into the art of the possible.

I do not know who I will support in the primary, but these crap posts only please the GOP and do nothing to help my decision making. If Hillary does not come out for more than the child care health measure she has proposed I will conclude she and I differ on the amount of change that is possible, and I will go to Edwards or some other candidate that both has a chance and has a more optimistic view on what is possible for health care.

But these dumps on Hillary all read like they are written by the GOP - and are getting old - very, very old.

[cleveramerican]

16. is fake and appears fake is not the same thing

subtle difference I know

[cleveramerican]

17. these are genuine concerns from a Dem

these are voter concerns, what benefit is there to denying it?
The scrutiny every candidate must bear comes from would-be supporters as well as political opponents. I was unaware that tough scrutiny of candidates is discouraged here.
You think the unease is only mine?

[napi21]

5. If you watched the forum today, you may rethink your statement.

TWO of the 7 candidates came off very good: Edwards & Clinton
One had good ideas, but most likely not passable: Kusinich
Two did OK, but certainly not impressive: Richardson & Dodd
One stated he didn't have a plan yet: Obama
One appeared to be a fish out of water. Where did this guy even come from: Gravel

I realize this was a forum ONLY on health care, and there are many other issues that may change the total package of any of the candidates, but today, you really CAN'T say Hillary didn't have "fire"!

[youngdem]

6. Kucinich's ideas are sophmoric and poorly thought out

And wouldn't stand a chance of passing unless Greenpeace won every seat in Congress.

For example, his super silly Department of Peace. Ugh. What in the hell is the Dept of State for then Denny?

He means well, and I am glad to have him in the caucus for his fire and his ideological bend, but he really is super goddamn silly.

[papau]

11. I had grandkid duty today - where can I see a write up on the forum? thanks n/t

n/t

[napi21]

12. You can try to check this web site. They are the ones who sponsored the video

and still have a link. I don't know if it will still work or not, but it's worth a shot.

www.thinkprogress.org

Go about 2/3 down the pageand you'll see the write up and two links one for broadband and another for dialup.

[papau]

13. Thanks :-)

:-)

[papau]

15. Consensus assessment is Edwards and Clinton did best - w/ Obama no ideas to discuss doing poorly

But all Hillary added to her child care was the VA like central data system for all - I was hoping for more.

Edwards is now looking more interesting.

[Labors of Hercules]

9. It's all a moot point since Gore will get the nomination.

:evilgrin:

[Forkboy]

14. Don't worry,once she learns to fake it she'll be fine.

[cleveramerican]

19. precisely what I'm afraid of.