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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:05 AM
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The Politico allows Dan Gerstein, who works for Lieberman....to critique activists and Howard Dean.
Dan Gerstein was just plain ugly to anyone who opposed Joe Lieberman in CT. He is still working for him. Yet The Politico has allowed him to write at least two columns which critique Howard Dean's role (that's not his job as Lieberman's advisor...Lieberman's not a Democrat) and which bash anti-war and anti-Fox activists.

Here is his job description given at Politico:

Dan Gerstein is a political consultant and commentator based in New York. He recently served as communications director for Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman's successful general election campaign in Connecticut, and continues to serve as a paid advisor to Lieberman. He is also the author of the blog Dangerous Thoughts.


This is similar to James Carville's CNN consultant job which he recently used to say that Howard Dean should be fired. Something is wrong with that picture. He is by his own admission, and by many articles...either a formal or informal advisor to Hillary. Not a good thing. Begala is also a CNN advisor and works for Hillary's campaign. Doug Schoen is another...he recently called for Harold Ford to replace Dean as chairman. He is now a Fox Consultant, as is Harold Ford whom they wanted to be DNC chair, but who is now DLC chair. These are not good things.

Carville, Begala, and Schoen as consultants

Back to Dan Gerstein who is a paid advisor to Joe Lieberman.

This is his lovely article about the immature bloggers and liberal activists, written while he is a paid advisor to Joe Lieberman.

Liberal Bloggers Demonstrate Their Political Immaturity, Democrat Says

If the liberal blogs want to understand why so few people outside their narrow echo chamber take them seriously, and what it will take to gain the broader credibility they crave, they should look no further than their handling of the recent flap over John Edwards’ foul-mouthed blogger hires.

This ugly morality tale - which mercifully concluded Tuesday with the second of the two offending online staffers resigning from the Edwards campaign - revealed the Kossacks in all their angry adolescent glory: impudent, impotent, unreflective and unaccountable.

Throughout the course of the controversy, the left’s bigger digital diatribers never stopped to address the substance of what the Edwards bloggers actually wrote before joining the campaign. Had the bloggers done so, they might have found the postings were widely deemed by Democrats and Republicans alike as bigoted and patently offensive to many Christians, not just devout Catholics or evangelicals.

...."Catholics are one of the biggest and most important swing-voting blocs in this country. They often tend to decide elections. So it’s probably not the smartest idea for a leading Democratic presidential candidate to hire people who openly defame Catholicism’s sacred figures by talking about the Lord filling the Virgin Mary with “his hot, white, sticky spirit.”


Next, while this article about Howard Dean is not really an ugly one....it is not his business as Joe Lieberman's advisor to tell Democrats what to do.

REMEMBER: Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. He is an independent.

Howard Dean’s Dilemma

In this Dean vs. Deaniac struggle, we vividly see the most consequential fault line in the 21st century Democratic Party. The primary conflict is no longer an ideological split between left and center, or a structural split between outsider and insider, as the Netroots would have us believe. It is far more of a tactical split between the purists and the realists, between those who loath conservatives above all else and those who like to win elections.

It is a measure of how far our party has shifted in spirit and tone that the author of the Dean scream now falls squarely in the realist camp. One could argue that it’s more a measure of the difference between campaigning and governing, and the extent of the challenge Dean faces in wedding the angry Democratic wing of the Democratic Party with the far less polarized and partisan voters that the party leadership hopes to add to our ranks.

Therein lies Dean’s delicate dilemma in reassembling a Democratic majority: how to harness the admirable and valuable passion of his energized base, which he is largely responsible for unleashing, without letting it descend into electoral poison for the independents that our party must attract to win the White House and hold onto Congress. The more immediate question, in the wake of the Fox fight, is how to convince the party activists that our main goal is to beat the right at the ballot box, not punish them on the idiot box.


Methinks someone should tell him that the party chairman honestly believes in the power of politics from the ground up. He wants the power to stay outside of DC. Tell Danny boy that Howard Dean believes that you get power by giving up some of the control to the ground level. It is his policy and his strong belief.

Tell Dan to shut up, that the guy he works for is an independent now...one who often threatens to leave the Democrats for the Republican Party.

Fox, CNN, the Politico....advisors working for Hillary and Lieberman...advising Dean and grassroots as to their role in the party.

Not proper. Gerstein even gets his picture posted large on the Politico website. I made it smaller.



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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:19 AM
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1. Bill Clinton tipped off why some are angry with us.
His rantings this week exposed the desire to capture the netroots. The DLCers in particular are upset because they desire to have the netroots in their camp to blog their agenda and support their candidates. The dislike of Dean is because of our loyalty to him and his ideas that are at odds with the DLCers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:26 AM
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2. Right you are, I think. Read this Hamsher post from FDL to Clinton.
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/23/bubba-dont-sista-souljah-us/

It is my sense that the centrist Dems are rather surprised, very irked, and a lot irate at having the new voices speaking out.

My belief is that we would not have had the Iraq War if we had the powerful blogs we do now. In 2002 though many were just getting their feet wet.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 09:48 AM
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5. I don't agree with Hamsher completely, but do partially
I don't believe the war could have been stopped if the blogs were as mature as they are now. Much of the netroots had 2 years or so under their belt when they were formed around the 2000 election.

I do think the netroots could have had a great impact in 2002 if they were as mature as they are now. But nothing could have stopped them from going in.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:49 AM
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9. Yes, something could have stopped them.
If a former president had spoken out against Bush's invasion, it could have made a huge difference. It could possibly have stopped the war.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1220
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:34 PM
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16. And another post at Kos about his diss of the activists.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/23/114513/670

When Bill spoke of Obama.

""This dichotomy that’s been set up to allow him to become the raging hero of the anti-war crowd on the Internet is just factually inaccurate."

The Democrats who are in the leadership positions have got to start speaking of and about party activists in a more respectful way.

As I always say...we were totally right about Iraq. They were wrong. We were and have been talked down to about it, like they were right and we were wrong.

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 05:01 AM
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3. What a puke smile.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
23. Yeah, not too
trustworthy.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 09:34 AM
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4. dumpster diving again with an article more than a month old. And YOU started the last thread on it!
Here ya go: Madfloridian from last month - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3116952

Not that there is any rule violations in regards to milking the same articles over and over again for maximum faux outrage effect, but it does smack of desperation. Here are a few quotes from your current post that are questionable in their honesty:

Dan Gerstein was just plain ugly to anyone who opposed Joe Lieberman in CT.

And the netroots were just plain ugly to anyone who supported Lieberman and opposed Ned Lamont in CT.

He is still working for him.

So?

Yet The Politico has allowed him to write at least two columns which critique Howard Dean's role

So? Is that illegal? No. Unethical? Not if it is clear who he is. Your problem is you don't want anyone to criticize Dean.

(that's not his job as Lieberman's advisor...Lieberman's not a Democrat) and which bash anti-war and anti-Fox activists.

What difference does it make? Are you saying only advisors to Democrats can critique Dean? Do YOU decide who gets to critique Dean?

Tell Dan to shut up, that the guy he works for is an independent now...one who often threatens to leave the Democrats for the Republican Party.

Do you have a problem with free speech? Show some examples of Lieberman threatening to "leave the Democrats for the Republican Party."

I'll bet you'll change the subject, ignore this, or go off on an Iraq war rant...


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:41 AM
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7. I will continue doing so. I was waiting for you. You keep all my posts lined up.
And you can pick one out when I mention certain key words.

There are more than that post as well. Go find them and post them.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 04:59 PM
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12. And I'll keep pointing out the misrepresentation of the facts in your posts
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:06 AM
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10. There's a video up about it.
In the video section...he was very pointed in saying he is not ruling it out. It got a lot of play.

You very much depend on me to find everything for you. Maybe someone else can help you out. It was recent, and it got a lot of air and internet time.

He smirked while he said it.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:20 AM
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18. So who's side do you take- Lieberman ( I) or Dean (D) ? I prefer the Democrat myself.
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 01:12 AM by Dr Fate
Why do you seem to be defending a Lieberman employee who is attacking us Democrats?

Fighting amongst ourselves is one thing- but you shouldnt take the side of an outsider attacking the DEM Chairman of the DNC.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 11:06 AM
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20. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 11:34 AM
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21. LOL...you are saying it is all about me. That is what you are about, isn't it?
Trying to embarrass me or make me look foolish. I find it funny, but rather sad.

If it doesn't work here, you write snide stuff in your blog to embarrass me.

I think it is sad you feel everything is about me.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:06 PM
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22. don't flatter yourself
Is isn't "all" about you. But my problem with your COPA is all about you.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:13 PM
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25. In post #4- you defend a Lieberman ( I ) lackey who attacks DEM voters & the DNC.
Post #4 speaks for itself.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:50 PM
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27. no, I defend his right to free speech
I guess I have the unique ability of being able to separate words I disagree with and someone's right to say them.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:13 PM
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28. Fair enough-but in post #4 you ardently defend a 3rd party's right to attack DEM voters and the DNC.
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 01:15 PM by Dr Fate
Whether people have a free-speech right to attack the DEM voters and the DNC is not the issue- the issue is who you side with in the attack.

If you disagree with the Lieberman(I)lackey and support the DNC and the DEM activists being attacked by them, you have a funny way of showing it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:18 PM
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29. I wouldn't say ardently ... but a third party DOES have the right to attack DEM voters and the DNC.
If you see anything in post 4 that says or implies that I agree with what he said, please feel free to point it out.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:29 PM
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30. I wont argue with you- Folks can read post #4 and decide for themsleves who you agree with. n/t
n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 02:13 PM
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32. ok!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #32
39. Free speech my foot- you side with Liberman ( I), not Dean & the netroots.
It's downright silly at this point for you to pretend otherwise.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Since you're gazing into that crystal ball, what are the winning lottery numbers this week?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:46 PM
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41. Ashamed to answer, arent you? Is it Joe ( I ) or the DNC that you side with on this?
???
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Admit it! You really love greasy pork sandwhiches served in dirty ash trays!
If you can divert, so can I.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:55 PM
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43. Joe ( I) or the Dean & the DNC? Which is it? I prefer the Democrat. n/t
???
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:56 PM
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44. I prefer the Dem, too, but I am so glad I live in a society where people have free speech...
...Isn't Hugo Chavez clamping down on those who criticize him?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:59 PM
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45. Wow- so you now side with with Dean & net-roots over DLC talking points- GREAT!!!
I'm glad I could help you on your Road to Damascus.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:00 PM
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46. I've state since the CT general that I sided with the Democrats. But Dean is not above criticism
...from ANY source.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:02 PM
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47. You dont side with Dean on this- you agree with the Liberman ( I) lackey's DLC talking points.
Edited on Fri Mar-30-07 02:05 PM by Dr Fate
You are pulling our legs here!!! Stop that!!! ;)

So you disagree with Harold Ford too?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:04 PM
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48. and you agree with Chavez's tactics. Criticism of Saint Dean is NOT TO BE TOLERATED.
:)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:06 PM
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49. Suuure I do. And you disagree with the DLC & Harold Ford now, apparently.
Welcome to the fold, fellow Nut-roots Deaniac!!!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:07 PM
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50. Dr. Fate don't need no stinkin' first amendment!
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:11 PM
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24. He's already LEFT the Democratics...n/t
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:31 AM
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6. is anyone purchasing the mag? or does it have a sugar daddy


Brian Lamb of c-span pushed the mag when it first came out several months ago. I figured then it was nothing but a neo con rag.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:47 AM
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8. And Lanny Davis is another...just saw him on CNN. Tied to Lieberman
hates grassroots, activists, netroots.

He was saying he and the right wing spokesperson were on the save wave length...right after the rw spokesperson said it was perfectly fine for Bush to fire attorneys for political reasons. Instead of taking an opening to correct him...Davis disagreed only mildly. But he did not clarify nor did he really stand up to his pontifications.

Lanny Davis:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/12/livin-lovin-lieberman/

"Lanny Davis was on the Washington Journal last week, calling Lieberman’s critics "bigots" and "liars." He was introduced as "former White House Counsel," and according to Colin McEnroe, Davis is also an advisor to the Lieberman campaign. But maybe when he shows up to hurl merde on behalf of "Short Ride" Joe, he should be mentioning that he’s also on the White House payroll?"

On the WH payroll. My, Lanny, that's a surprise.

"In June 2005, President Bush appointed Mr. Davis to serve on the five-member Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, created by the U.S. Congress as part of the 2005 Intelligence Reform Act."

I posted about Davis before also, ww. You need to find it.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
31. Great info- BTW- I for one dont mind you re-posting these facts.
I missed it the first time around- and so did others.

Dont listen to the folks who's only arguement is that you have already posted this once before.

Keep them coming!!!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:41 AM
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11. The bitter-enders are, well, bitter
and they ain't goin' quietly, nosiree!! They're going to be dragged out kicking and screaming like three year olds. Their exit from the stage will be as clumsy and ungraceful as they always are. Bunch of damn mayberry machiavelli's just like the wretched Bushies.

:puke:

Julie
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 12:45 AM
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14. Kicking and screaming.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:25 PM
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13. Politico: "we muffed it" ....two mea culpas
VandeHei :
"On Gerstein: Yes, we muffed it. We should have clearly stated Gerstein is a paid adviser to Sen. Joe Lieberman. It was wrong to assume our readers would know Gerstein is not only a Liebermaniac but a paid one at that!"

Hell, yes, VandeHei, your readers may have thought he was a "former" advisor only.

Harris:

"As long as we are talking about the left's critique of Politico, we'd be remiss in not addressing the criticism we are getting, mostly from liberal blogs, for running Democratic operative Dan Gerstein's attack on the left-wing blogosphere without saying that the former communications director for Sen. Joe Lieberman happens to STILL be on his payroll. What about that? (Ben, I believe you got us into that fix by directing Gerstein to our pages in the first place. Shouldn't you have warned your editors that this would make the blogs mad?)"

Ben Smith...isn't he the one who put out the missive that Edwards was stopping the campaign? Is that who Harris is blaming?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3013.html




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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:37 PM
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26. I wonder if Lieberman ( I ) orders him to attack us Democrats and the DLC?
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 12:42 PM by Dr Fate
I'm getting really sick of these paid 3rd party sympathizers going after DEM voters, Dean and the DNC.





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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 12:58 AM
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15. The Likudnik Gerstein
One American Likudnik is one too many, if you ask me!
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:05 AM
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17. Drudge loves The Politico
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 12:05 AM by antiimperialist
Media Matters for America reports that Drudge has linked to The Politico 45 times in the short existence of The Politico.
You draw your own conclusions.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703290002
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:50 AM
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19. kick n/t
n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 03:31 PM
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33. And Carville on CNN yesterday....critiquing Obama while advising Hillary
in an either formal or informal capacity. There is nothing mentioned during the interview about his loyalty to Hillary. Nothing. This is the kind of thing I am talking about. Paid or unpaid advisors working for one campaign having free reign on TV.

CARVILLE: But what's happening...

BLITZER: ... "USA Today" poll.

CARVILLE: ... to Senator Obama is, he has had a couple of less- than-impressive performances at a health care forum out in Las Vegas and things like that.

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: But he's not -- he's a very talented guy. And he's very effective.

And -- and, you know, he started out pretty good. I mean, it's pretty remarkable he is where he is, in terms of somebody...

STEELE: Right.

CARVILLE: ... new, and -- and burst on the scene like that.

But I think that what might be a little troubling, if I was running Obama's campaign, is, is that he seems to get up -- need to get up to speed on a couple of these issues.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/28/sitroom.01.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Comments on this interview from MyDD
"What CNN doesn't mention is that Carville is also sending out fundraising solicitations for Hillary Clinton's campaign for President and is an advisor for her campaign.

This is crazy. It's just crazy. When CNN commentator Bay Buchanan took over the Tancredo campaign, she resigned from the network. This isn't exactly the same situation, but the lines are thin. Carville isn't getting money from Clinton, but there are other ways of compensation in politics and everyone knows that.

Yet there Carville is, on CNN, as a political analyst, and also on message for the Clinton campaign. This is just embarrassing for everyone involved. Stop it already."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/29/16320/1408

I am not sure if Carville is getting paid or not by the HRC campaign. I had heard "informal" advisor but not sure.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 03:52 PM
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35. D Gerstein always sorta reminds me of someone who
used to post a lot - always in favor of Lieberman and always snidely snippy and dismissive to any DUer who was critical. Sorta like there is an 'archtype' that defends moderate dems while attacking green dems always alleging that progressives are not necessarily loyal when it comes to the vote - but somehow not holding that same skepticism to someone like Sen Lieberman "I Con".
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Ain't it funny- the most ardent Nader haters LOVED Lieberman's 3rd party run.
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 04:57 PM by Dr Fate
And besides those people, some still feel a need to defend those guys for one reason or another- see post #4 and the responses in this thread for some defenses for Lieberman.

I agree with you- Lieberman sympathizers are the last people who need to lecture anyone on DEM party loyalty.

For the record, I dont like Naderites or Holy Joe's guys too much- peas in a pod if ya ask me.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. In less trying times - I might be more sympathetic
to 'third party' runs but the stakes, frankly, are just too high.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. kick n/t
n/t
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