I am THROUGH with Obama

[BamaLefty]

I had no idea that Obama had supported Shrub's "Class Action Fairness Act" until now. I had gone to an Obama workshop and was prepared to donate my money and time before I learned this gory detail. I know, my bad... I should have known this before now.

Obama, a freaking sellout, can side with his big business buddies of the right and I'll stand with a real Democrat in John Edwards. The last thing we need in this country is another kisser of corporate ass.

P.S. If Obama is our nominee, I'll vote Green and encourage all of you to do the same. "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything..."

[rinsd]

1. "I'll vote Green and encourage all of you to do the same"

Good because then you'll get your tombstone and we won't have to listen to your inane BS.

[samq79]

2. call me an idiot if you like

but what was the purpose/context of the bill in question...?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. The bill in question...

Makes it incredibly harder for a lawsuit to obtain class status, thus letting corporations who have egregiously violated laws and safety standards to get away with...well, in some cases, this word is appropriate...murder. It moves class actions out of state courts and into federal courts, where the standard for class action acceptance is a lot higher, and perhaps, under this administration and its judges, unobtainable.

[Alamom]

12. Basic from wiki....

Personal. My 50 year old brother has abestosis from working for a company who did not adhere to safety laws. Men 50 & older have & are dying of lung cancer, already. A class action suit that was won hands down had started giving all affected a good settlement. The oldest workers to the youngest and taking into account, health. My brother has a lesion that has to be checked every 3 months. This is serious. He would have gotten a good sum due to the lesion. He needs to quit work.
Right before his (health) group was compensated, this law went into effect. He got virtually nothing and now can not get Life Insurance due to the abestosis being on record. He will most likely not live a normal life span and his wife will be left with nothing.

There are worse stories with younger men with kids.



The U.S. Class Action Fairness Act of 2005, 28 U.S.C. Sections 1332(d), 1453, and 1711-1715, expanded federal jurisdiction over many large class-action lawsuits and mass actions.

The bill was the first major legislation in the second term for the Bush Administration. Business groups and tort reform supporters had lobbied for the legislation, arguing that it was needed to prevent class-action lawsuit abuse. <1> President George W. Bush had vowed to support this legislation.

The Act accomplished two key goals of tort reform advocates:

Reduce "forum-shopping" by plaintiffs in friendly state courts by expanding federal diversity jurisdiction to class actions where there is not "complete diversity"giving federal jurisdiction over class actions against out-of-state defendants. Proponents argued that "magnet jurisdictions" such as Madison County, Illinois were rife with abuse of the class action procedure.
Requires greater federal scrutiny procedures for the review of class action settlements and changes the rules for evaluating coupon settlements, often reducing attorney's fees that are deemed excessive relative to the benefits actually afforded class members. For example, in an infamous Alabama class action involving Bank of Boston, the attorneys' fees exceeded the relief to the class members, and class members lost money paying attorneys for the "victory."
The Act gives federal courts jurisdiction to certain class actions in which the amount in controversy exceeds $5 million, and in which any of the members of a class of plaintiffs is a citizen of a state different from any defendant, unless at least two-thirds or more of the members of all proposed plaintiff classes in the aggregate and the primary defendants are citizens of the state in which the action was originally filed.

[Dr Fate]

3. I have yet to find a candidate that I agree with 100%.

The best yet is about 75% or so- and that is Obama & Edwards.

[Lost-in-FL]

4. IBTL!!! IBTL!!!

[tandot]

5. "...I'll vote Green and encourage all of you to do the same."

thanks for your concern. :eyes:

I vote for the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it will be. Any Democrat will be better than a Republican.

[PBS Poll-435]

7. You have a point

Because the last time a mass of people voted for the unelectable GP candidate, it worked so well for all of us!

[elocs]

8. Good for you! I'm sure Obama will pull out now and lose the will to live. n/m

[Just-plain-Kathy]

9. How do we get people who we want to run to run?

I would love a Feingold/Webb ticket

[onenote]

10. y'know 18 Senate Democrats voted for it

I'm surprised you didn't switch to the Greens in 2006.

[LoZoccolo]

11. Uh, you support the "Class Action Fairness Act" as well. n/t

[citizen snips]

13. what is the Class Action Fairness Act?

[illinoisprogressive]

14. And Edwards and Hillary voted for the war. You are not going to find 100% pure in anyone

sorry but, a little realism now. No one you support you are going to find 100% pure.

[ElizabethDC]

18. Too true. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

15. THIS THREAD IS A HIT AND RUN! OP STARTS A COMMOTION AND LEAVES! ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR!

GREEN PARTY WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE PARTY WITH THE MOST BUSTED BALLS IN 2008!

[Donnachaidh]

16. yeah -- that LAST Green Party candidate REALLY helped the country

Dear GODS!

STOP this crap immediately!

Do YOU own a crystal ball? Do YOU know who is going to get the nomination?

How many MONTHS do we have to wait?

After all the struggling to get some sort of SAY in Congress we actually have this sort of SPEW going NOW?

*I* haven't decided. *I* don't like 98% of the nominees. But g-d it all -- we need a DEMOCRAT in the white house.

We don't NEED this division over ONE aspect of someone's record!

(and I know that last line is going to come back and bite me square in the ass):rant:

[davidwparker]

17. I'm for Edwards so far. I think Gore/Edwards would be great. Clark as Sec.

of Defense since he is showing no sign of entering it.

[proud patriot]

19. I'm locking this thread

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