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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 03:52 PM
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Bush Cites Upbeat Bloggers From Baghdad (AP)
Source: Associated Press

Bush Cites Upbeat Bloggers From Baghdad

By BEN FELLER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, March 28, 2007; 4:33 PM

WASHINGTON -- To back up his point that pulling out of Iraq would be a disaster,
President Bush has quoted opinions from the secretary of defense, the Joint Chiefs
of Staff, the top U.S. general in Iraq _ and now, two bloggers from Baghdad.


Then he began to quote: "Displaced families are returning home, marketplaces are
seeing more activity, stores that were long shuttered are now reopening. We feel
safer about moving in the city now. Our people want to see this effort succeed."

His point was that Iraqi people are seeing signs of progress _ and what better
example of their unbridled expression than blogs.

It turns out, the White House made clear hours later, that he was quoting two
brothers, Mohammed and Omar Fadhil. They write an English-language blog from
Baghdad called IraqTheModel.com. Both of them got to meet Bush in the Oval
Office in 2004.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032801609.html
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 03:55 PM
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1. he means Beat up bloggers from Baghdad
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 03:57 PM
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2. halliburton finally get that municipal wifi set up?
it's nice they can find the time to blog, what with the limited availability of electricity in Baghdad.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:03 PM
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3. Were these "bloggers" on the gwb43.com domain by any chance?..n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:06 PM
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4. as usual, it's a plant, not just a random blogger
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:19 PM
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5. Anyone care to hear what other Iraqi bloggers think of Iraq the Model?
http://ejectiraqikkk.blogspot.com/2006/10/iraq-model.html

Sunday, October 15, 2006

Iraq The Model


Understood, I appreciate democracy and freedom of speech, but I can safely say that the viewpoint of the people behind this blog represents about somewhere between 2 to 1% of all Iraqis, I would even go as far as call it an anomaly created by an extra chromosome or something, there are people, especially those who oppose religion and identity, who could get sold up to the American Dream, to be part and parcel of all the ideals America stands for, I am not saying that Arabs are helplessly monstorous that they oppose liberty and democracy and want to be spend all day playing Russian Roulette with swords, but there is such a thing as an identity with your nation, and these guys make me sick with their obvious sucking-up they are doing to be sold out to Americans. It could be that they are just trying to achieve a common goal of a modern, democratic Iraq by sounding like a brainwash, but they play it so industriously well that my intuition tells me that there is something else on the take.

IRAQ THE MODEL is an example of the mentality that currently prevails the Green Zone, nervous Iraqis who just want to make a few bucks by catering to an audience and telling them what they want to hear, maybe their intentions were earnest in the beginning, but now things have started to look messed up and if they deviate from the fake sugar-ass bullshit they've been shoving up their audience their popularity will end, so they choose to go all the way, working up a good chunk of money with all the revenue from the ads until they can safely call it quits and retire in some nice Friends of Democracy-compatible country, spending all their well-earnt money on hoes and booze.

...

Like most other Iraqi bloggers, this site makes me nauseous, they make me fall alseep anyway by the half of any given post - but, I call on all Iraqi bloggers to campaign against this horrible freak of a blog, maybe back in the day you worked for the glory of Iraq, but now you have turned against it and sold it out for the first pile of greens that were shoved up your way. I don't want you to renounce America, we need them as much as you are afraid that they will leave, but I just want you to say the truth, for God's sake, like what Zeyad did, it didn't hurt, see? He's gone to the US just the same.



http://ejectiraqikkk.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html

Here are remarks by Iraqi bloggers from all sects and persuasions about Iraq the Model:



Miraj said that: "he wants to follow other Iraqi bloggers to US and what is better than sucking up to the Americans."

Baghdad Treasue: "I wish I could fly from America back to Iraq just to show him what being a tool to the white house means. He is just a shame."

El Delilah : "He could have made things simple just by posting a picture of himself licking a pair of bloody-muddy timberlands shiny."

El Delilah also posted a vicious criticism of ITM on her own blog


TRUTH ABOUT IRAQIS: "Traitors like ITM get a voice because people like us lose ours in the squabbling. this is not about democracy and it is not about freedom of speech. Look up social responsibility theory in mass communications. When someone publishes something that does the mass public harm then that person has forfeited the right to freedom of speech."

He also have written a short post about the Lancet study

IRAQI SCREEN: "I am sure they are dying for an asylum in USA to be close to their dear Bush. Did they ever read about Haditha masscre, Ishaqi and Falluja?"

KHALID JARRAR: "Being a traitor is not an allowed option, and should not be legitimized by ranting about freedom of speech, I swear reading them is just like reading a white house statements."

NAJMA: "ITM makes most of us angry, yet most of the people who read' em almost worship their opinions"

SALAM ADIL: My main point was that they are in danger of growing up to be like the Baathist apologist that they so despise. Spinning wild stories just to make their supporters feel good.

Salam Adil also wrote a feature about all the Iraqi blog posts about the Lancet survery on his regular GlobalVoices feature, including some posts by fellow bloggers who did not contribute to this discussion.

24 STEPS TO LIBERTY: "You said it is a shame to have such a study? A shame to count the sacrifices Iraqis have to make along the way to a better future? Why have you counted Saddam's victims then? Why you, and your kind of anti-rational dialogue people, have endless statistics numbering Saddam's horrible crimes? Isn't a shame?"

ANARKI13: "ITM should pick their fights a bit better, and one should never argue with mathematics.this was not their most inflammatory post, but it does hit on some really strained nerves"

MAJED: "this is sick! I disagree with the idea that this nonsense could be marked as freedom of speech"

LORD: "we must not let people like ITM and other opologists have thier way. we must realize the truth, we must uncover thier lies, we must uncover the crimes thier masters had done to our people. everybody seemd to forget about what this study was really about, which is humane beings."

IRAQI SIGNOR: "I didn't quite understand what was so bad about it. However, afte reading between the lines, which I should have done from the beginning, I saw the underlying message of blunt support for the occupation of Iraq. How shameful."

Iraqi Signor also published a long post about the study on his own blog


RAED JARRAR: "I wonder what readers will think of the fact that ITM sounds like a holocaust denier. After all, counting the holocaust casualties was based on a similar methodology to that used by this latest Iraq casualties report."

WHITE ROSE: "I think seem to be living on a different planet not to notice the killings, disappearances, kidnappings, bodies burnt & disposed of in rivers or thrown collectively in other areas and garbage dumps, this is not what a supposed "liberated country" should be going through. We the "liberated" must not be dying this way anymore, since Saddam, the cause of all our misery & violent deaths, is not an issue anymore. "


IRAQI THOUGHTS "One has to just look at the comments section of ITM and see why they write the way they do.... its a blog written to be read for non-Iraqis, I am proud to say my blog was removed from their links section, a lot of us USED to read ITM, but its bull***t now, lets stop hating on them, Just stop reading it if you want"

however, some people did not voice their objection quite as soundly:

IHATH : "I think there are enough people beating up on each other in Iraq without the need of us adding to it. I myself stopped reading ITM long time ago, I can predict what theywill say on any issue before going to their blog. Enough said."

She also wrote a characterisitcally strange post on her personal blog

HALA_S: "I did not like ITM post at all, I have to agree with you all that it was too much to take.However ITM has a lot of virtues as well. They worked hard and constantly reported on daily issues in Iraq for a long time. Probably they are the onlyones who never took a break, also they never expressed any secterian remark which is something most of us do."

NEUROTIC WIFE: I too was very pained when I read ITM's post regarding their dispute of Iraqi killings. It did boil my blood , but I cant say that I dislike ITM, cuz I dont. They have interesting point of views, and sometimes they are very informative."
She also wrote a post on her personal blog .

and ZAPPY: "a blog belongs to its owner, he can say whatever he likes, if hes got a comment link then comment, else leave the matter alone. don't take this thing too personal, you disagreed with the ITM's, so do I and a number of other bloggers, so what?"

NABIL: "What is this all about? Why don't u leave the guy alone, he's nuts anyway..."



Several high-profile bloggers also participated in the discussion, godfather of Iraqi blogs SALAM PAX expressed interest in writing something in response to the ITM, but did not add further to the point, while ZEYAD, who had earlier written about the study, also provided comments but they were not related to the debate directly, while RIVERBEND watched the debate silently, but perhaps as an indirect response she decided to break her 2 and a half months hiatus to post about the study.
Fellow bloggers MIXMAX and FAYROUZ, did not participate directly in the debate, but have posted about the study on their own respective blogs.


There were, however, a few who had an entirely different opinion:

SOONI: "ITM is one of the most respectable Iraqi blogs, although I disagree with them in what they say sometimes. The problem is never been with the American presence in Iraq the real problem is with Iraqis themselves they keep looking for new ways and reasons to kill each other"

IRAQ PUNDIT : "I was taken aback by ITM's posting. I believe they are nice guys who have somehow allowed themselves to write something bizarre."

Iraq Pundit also wrote an issue about the study and the debate on his own blog.

NIBRAAS KAZIMI: "ITM is a true patriotic blog"

NO PAIN NO GAIN: " I believe they mean that are incomparable to the death that Saddam killed, the fear and these deaths that are occurring everyday has outcome. I believe the ITM are trying to look at the bright side of matters in Iraq. They want to see that they are still fighting for a good hope...a hope that is fading among Iraqis and they dont want to let that go."


As you can see, the MAJORITY of Iraqi blogs do NOT respect ITM. The fact that Bush is citing an Iraqi blog that is part of Pajamas Media, a CONSERVATIVE group (AMERICAN conservative), shows what a useless citation this indeed is. The writers on ITM also went to America in 2004 and met with Pres. Bush, so that also makes them less than "independent" in nature.

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:40 PM
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6. Marketplaces are seeing more activity
like huge car bombs killing hundreds.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:58 PM
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7. Yeah George, make up quotes much?
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 05:28 PM by Contrary1
I did a search on their blog, and failed to find the "quotes" that the Idiot Son claimed to have read on the internets.

Friday, March 02, 2007

"...While many Iraqi families are returning to the homes they once were forced to leave, there are also Baghdadis who are reopening their stores, ending the months they spent out of business because of violence and intimidation. Some streets that were virtually deserted a few months ago are slowly showing signs of returning to life.
The reopening stores even include some liquor shops! There are two stores on one street that I used to shop that closed early last year when their owners received death threats from the insurgents and the militias. Yesterday I walked through that street and, to my amazement, I found both stores open and back in business.

Of course the reopening of two liquor stores is no big deal by itself when we are talking about a city where thousands of businesses are still shuttered. I regard this as a further positive sign of a change in Baghdad’s daily life. It means that those shopkeepers are leaving their fear behind, and openly ignoring the threats of militias and insurgents who once ruled the streets and intimidated the people with threats and violence."

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com

And their blog links to http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/03/president_bush_quotes_pjm_bagh.php">pajamas media. Imagine that. :eyes:
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