NJ Gov. Corzine to endorse Hillary Clinton

[wyldwolf]

New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine will endorse New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination on Monday, according to two people close to the campaign.

The governor will make the endorsement at Elizabeth City Hall, along with U.S. Rep. Rob Andrews, D-Haddon Heights, and other Democrats.

Clinton is scheduled to attend the event.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070330/NEWS/70330015

[still_one]

1. another Democratic who believes we should have some U.S. prescence in Iraq for quite a while

I guess the message from the 2006 election wasn't that clear, IT IS ABOUT IRAQ

[wyldwolf]

2. the message from the 2006 election?

The message was corruption.

[still_one]

7. It was Iraq. Look at all the Iraq war vets who ran as Democrats, with Iraq as the issue

The polls put the war at the top of the list also

[wyldwolf]

9. Polling indicates corruption was the #1 issue for voters

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/07/election.exitpolls/index.html

...and from Pew:

[still_one]

14. Iraq was the number one issue for voters in this election, My source link follows:

http://www.greenbergresearch.com/index.php?ID=1824

The Clintons have made the Democratic party what it is today:

Bill helped pass the communication act which allowed for right wing monopolies to control the air waves, negotiated trade agreements at the expense of our workers, and was a sexual predator

Hillary believes we should have a prescence in Iraq, voted for the Bankrupcy bill, and supports NAFTA, and other trade agreements, which hurt OUR workers

but hey, if the Democrats as a whole believe this is the best they have, then go for it

[wyldwolf]

16. your source is a poll paid for by MoveOn

... and only surveyed the "50 most competitive House districts and 8 most competitive U.S. Senate races." It

MoveOn has an agenda. Sort of like McDonalds polling their customers for the best hamburger.

Also interesting about MoveOn's survey: Whereas other polls found corruption to be the #1 issue among voters and Iraq to be second, MoveOn's didn't even have corruption ranked.

I'll stick to the Pew, CNN, and USA Today surveys that used random samples in all districts and states and weren't looking for a specific outcome.

[still_one]

17. As far as I know they are not associated with moveon.org

I will agree most of their clients are Democratic but they also have corporate and international clients who are NOT necessarily Democratic:


http://www.gqrr.com/index.php?ID=109

I will agree that this is NOT a well publicized polling service

Even taking your polls, Iraq was still high on the list as number 2, and personally I believe today it is the number one issue, though I cannot site a specific poll. Using mainstream polling sources, Americans want us out of Iraq, even if I concede to you that it wasn't the number one issue in the 2006 election:

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

I also need to modify what I said in my previous post, Hillary has just come out against President Clinton's NAFTAs policy. I will give her credit for her sense of the country on social issues, however, in my view unless she distinguishes herself on Iraq, she will have support issues

[wyldwolf]

18. Doesn't take much to connect the dots

MoveOn's main focus had been the Iraq war. They commission a polling outfit to poll voters - not everywhere - but only in certain areas - and arrive at the conclusion that Iraq was the #1 concern of all voters in 2006, contrary to all other major polls.

Sounds completely biased.

Even taking your polls, Iraq was still high on the list as number 2, and personally I believe today it is the number one issue

1. We were discussing the #1 issue in 2006.
2. Polls do indicate Iraq is the #1 issue today.

[still_one]

20. I will give you the point in our specific discussion, however my personal view

unless Hillary distinguishes herself on Iraq, and by that I mean our troops out of the country, she will have a problem

[Carolina]

21. well put

I am so disheartened by all this Hilarity, the jumping on the bandwagon support before the voters even have a say, that I am truly about to give up. Hilary has the money, the machine and now endorsement after endorsement. The MSM also wants her. Yet think about it -- since when have they ever been so nice to a Clinton. Once she's the nominee, however, she'll be gored and swiftboated by the media darlings who undoubtedly will fawn over the repuke choice.

I have been a Democrat since 1960, and remember how inspired I was by JFK. I long for the days of my father's hero plain speaking, truth telling Harry S. Truman who gave the repukes of his day hell.

Now, another loser is being foisted upon us. Hilary is loathed in my state and is weak among the Democratic voters who distinctively called for change in Iraq -- first and foremost -- last November! But hey, why bother with us, the little people who vote ...

Sickening!

[still_one]

22. It is still a long ways off. Keep this in mind

More and more states are moving their primaries up. We will find out sooner who the top two candidates will be. I suspect that those candidates that are against the war, will throw there support out of the top two candidates, to the candidate who represents that position. That is why I do NOT believe that the polls which indicate that Hillary is lead the other Democratic nominees means much now. If you add the totals of the second and third candidates you will note that a consolodation of those votes exceed Hillary's standing in the polls.

In about a year we will have a much clearer pciture what is happening

[Carolina]

23. you're right

I should take a deep breath. Guess I'm just getting old, impatient and damn pissed off about this war

[still_one]

25. so am I

[karynnj]

24. among those who voted Democratic,

Iraq, corruption, and economics (only 1 point lower) were tied. This may play well for Obama, who did a great job getting a provision against "bundling" checks from lobbyists and who voted for the amendment that was really the Pelosi bill - with about 5 Democrats that made the ethics bill stronger. He also passed an ethics bill in IL. On Iraq he is better than Hillary.

[salin]

3. Am I incorrect, but isn't this endorsement cycle kicking up much earlier

than it did last time around?

Seems to me that in the last cycle it was in the fall (or maybe late summer) when VP Gore endorsed Dean which got a lot of press because it was seen to be a) early and b) risky (as Dean was seen as both a rising star but also a bit of a wild-shooter). Maybe there had been a lot of endorsements prior to that but they didn't catch my attention - but that story stuck with me - and the timing.

This am on NPR I learned that Jesse Jackson has (or is about to) endorse Obama - the same thought came to mind... this seems unusually early. Or is my memory incorrect?

[wyldwolf]

4. Everything is happening much earlier

[salin]

12. Everything *except* the Indiana primary.

Still in May. Still long after the determination is likely to be made - yet the local pols like tradition. They like that the citizens of this state have NO input into the modern primary system (modern in terms of sped up cycles, more and more 'super tuesdays' being created and pushed earlier.) Grrr.

Sorry for the nonsequitor - just have to vent this frustration everynow and again. *sigh*

[ShortnFiery]

5. OK

:eyes:

[bigdarryl]

6. I live in NJ this Governor is in a scandal with a former girlfriend giving her....

a million dollar house and sending her to collage.and she's just a state worker. this motherfucker doesn't want to tell the residents of NJ where the money came from. the rumor is it came out of the state workers pension fund. and at the same time he wants to cut benefits for state workers. this kind of endorsement no candidate needs. this scandle is talked about every day by the radio personalities.

[Inuca]

8. Just an FYI

Corzine is a multimillionaire, isn't he? Goldman Sachs, if I remember correctly. I no longer live in NJ, so I do not know the details, just mentioning that he can afford an expensive girlfriend on his own.

[bigdarryl]

10. if it's that simple then he should tell the residents instead of looking like ...

he has something to hide

[ShortnFiery]

15. Perhaps Corzine can begin a "Multimillionaires and Wall Street Crones for Clinton"

Club? That may have more people signed-on than the base of the Democratic Party.

Pro-Iraqi involvement, pro-Wall Street, pro-Corporate welfare, buying-off NOW and minority representatives, enjoying Multimillionaires' endorsements and allowing FOX's Murdock SPONSORING a fund raiser for you, is going to win HRC FEW if any supporters on the Liberal side of the Democratic Party. :shrug:

[karynnj]

19. If he simply had an expensive girlfriend that would be ok

BUT,

Katz is an ex-girlfriend, who he gave a huge gift to after they were not together - forgiving a large mortgage on her house. She is head of a union (CWA) that he negotiates with. She refused to divulge the info before the election - it came out any way.

I was phone banking and canvassing then - a lot of Democrats were very unhappy that it further made NJ look sleasy. Many voted holding their noses - because Forrester was a RW.

[still_one]

11. You are right about Corozine, but I think the issue is about money

Corozine has a lot of wall street influence when he worked there

[rinsd]

13. Corzine is worth 100's of millions of dollars.

The scandal has to deal with conflicts of interest but nice of you to throw some BS rumor in about him stealing from the pension fund.

Did you get that from your radio personalities?