Dems failure to purge Gonzales...

[kaal]

It's shocking to me that despite all the Revelations that the USA's were purged for political reasons, we still can't get this damned AG to fucking quit! What more needs to be done? Hasn't enough shit been revealed already?


I say it's a failure of the Dems, because I feel they haven't focused on issues that tie him without-a-reason-of-doubt to the politically motivated firings.


How else can Gonzales be forced to quit?


It seems that lying is now the name of the game! With a fucking deceitful Commander in Chief, following in his steps is the only way to survive. Why are these lying Repug bastards getting away with such transparent crimes. Is the US constitution still valid? What is the true State of our Union?

[sasha031]

1. it's time

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x21199

[Ninja Jordan]

2. Congress has the ability to impeach him (nm)

[iconocrastic]

19. Impeachment requires a crime

Political firing isn't a crime.

[Ninja Jordan]

21. perjury is....

[ShortnFiery]

22. No you forgot the "Misdemeanors." Impeachment does NOT require a crime per se. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Short of impeachment congress cannot force him to quit.

So they are doing what they can do, which is to use the power of congressional investigations to uncover as much corruption and other assorted wrong doing as possible, to start shining the light of congressional oversight on an administration that has had none of that at all for six years. But the process is slow, so be patient. So far, I am actually impressed by what waxman, leahy and conyers are doing.

[liberalnurse]

10. I am so proud of our Democratic leaders!

You are exactly right, that Gonzo is ultimately *bush's bitch to keep or kick out on the curb. As long as he stays.....the credibility continues to evaporate.

[barb162]

26. Same here

Compare this week with two years ago. Big difference; the administration is looking dumber by the hour

[BlackHawk706867]

4. I think that the Dems. should bring Gonzales to the forefront of..

the two prison guard scandal, whereby these two men are serving 11 and 12 years for charges that were trumped up by the DOJ. This would add more pressure to the cause of getting rid of Gonzales.

ww

[DURHAM D]

5. First you say the Dems have failed and then you ask

how to get Alberto to quit. I thought you already knew how since you indicate the Dems were failures in their investigation.

[opihimoimoi]

6. Its not on the Dems to purge him....Bush appointed the dude and so its on Bush to 86 the SOB

Don't be laying this on us Liberal Dems...Alberto is not our boy...he is an Incompetant Inept Crony among others all appointed by Bush....

[John Q. Citizen]

7. Reid said a week ago that Gonzales would be gone in a month or less. Watch.

[napi21]

8. Patience Kaal. Gonzo will be gonzo soon.

Ihave not heard even ONE Pub say anythinggood about him, and the comments get worse every day. A few minutes ago on Lou Dobbs program, the usual panel of "pollitical experts" (sorry the only name I remember is Ed Rollins) said Gonzo is damaged beyond salvation...and that was said by the two Pub panelists. A few minutes earlier Johnathan Turley said this is VERY SERIOUS, and is really at the point where it could be worse for the WH if Gonzo were to survive, but he doubted he will be able to.

The only person to have anything positive about Gonzo in the past 2-3 weeks has been Shrub, and even what he said hasn't been really supportive.

[Forkboy]

9. His squirming like a worm on a hook may attract a big fish.

[C_U_L8R]

11. There's another gonzo

lined up right behind this one;
ready to take his place.

this one seems to be fucking up
so badly... may as well let him hang around
a little longer to self-inflict a little more
damage on the whacky reich wingers

[eleny]

12. Get the butter ready - he's toast

The Dems have not failed - they aren't finished with these criminals.

[greyghost]

13. This goes way...

past Gonzo. Enjoy the show!:evilgrin:

[KoKo]

14. Thanks for your "Concern" we Dems will be all over it and

aren't going to let ANYTHING get by.

[spinnaker12000]

15. Gonzales is secondary or Tertiary at best

Our attention should continue to be on what got us into the War. Time to go after the Neo-Con's. Then place all our attention on the cronies that got the fat contracts in Iraq and misused tax payer's money. No one likes to have their money stolen. The third would be all the pork rendered during the previous leadership of the House and Senate (Notice that the President is already attacking the current Majority on FAT). There is a need to place a chronological person, time and date to the last 4 or 5 years of this administration much the same as the PBS presentation of the "Dark Side". Only then will the true cause and effect of this administration be brought out into the light. This is a bomb run, keep your cross-hairs on the important issues!

[newyawker99]

30. Hi spinnaker12000!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[whistle]

16. Will allowing Bush to keep Gonzales on as Attorney General help of hurt Bush

....Lies are transparent only to those who refuse to be deceived by them, but if more and more Americans ignore the lies then we will all be drawn into the whirlpool of deceit and deception.

<snip>
The Big Lie Technique
by Robert Scheer


At a time when approximately 57 percent of Americans polled believe that President Bush deceived them on the reasons for the war in Iraq, it does seem a bit redundant to deconstruct the President's recent speeches on that subject. Yet, to fail to do so would be to passively accept the Big Lie technique--which is how we as a nation got into this horrible mess in the first place.

The basic claim of the President's desperate and strident attack on the war's critics this past week is that he was acting as a consensus President when intelligence information left him no choice but to invade Iraq as a preventive action to deter a terrorist attack on America. This is flatly wrong.

His rationalization for attacking Iraq, once accepted uncritically by most in Congress and the media easily intimidated by jingoism, now is known to be false. The bipartisan 9/11 Commission selected by Bush concluded unanimously that there was no link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's secular dictatorship, Al Qaeda's sworn enemy. And a recently declassified 2002 document proves that Bush's "evidence" for this, available to top Administration officials, was based on a single discredited witness.

Clearly on the defensive, Bush now sounds increasingly Nixonian as he basically calls the majority of the country traitors for noticing he tricked us.

"Reasonable people can disagree about the conduct of the war, but it is irresponsible for Democrats to now claim that we misled them and the American people," the President said at an Air Force base in Alaska. "Leaders in my Administration and members of the United States Congress from both political parties looked at the same intelligence on Iraq, and reached the same conclusion: Saddam Hussein was a threat."
<MORE>

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20051128&s=scheer1116

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=70682

http://www.counterpunch.org/krieger06062003.html

http://www.antiwar.com/eland/?articleid=2847

Yet, Bush continues his lies and they continue to work. Why, because nobody stands up and challenges the lies. Nobody!

<snip>
I must confess, this whole situation hasn't been helped by the Democrats, who seem to have forgotten Lord Randolph Churchill's dictum, "The duty of an Opposition is to oppose," and who instead have been running around like groundhogs panicked by their own shadows, and seem to have adopted instead the maxim, "Never be in the same room as a decision." Had they shown any leadership or unity, I might be more optimistic in the short run. Alas, most of them are spineless and only marginally less corrupted by money politics than most of the Republicans.

I do believe that in the long run, as Lincoln said, "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth," that the American people will see through the lies, and that once again we will get a government "dedicated to the proposition that all men (and women) are created equal". But I'm not enjoying the wait.

<taken from: "George Bush, master of the big lie" March 20, 2003

http://www.thebishop.net/geodog/archives/2003/03/18/george_bush_master_of_the_big_lie.html

[nevergiveup]

17. You will never see

Alberto testify on the 17th of April. He will be gone. In some ways I wish he would hang around so we could all watch.

[Zenlitened]

18. "I say it's a failure of the Dems."

I say relax... and have some pizza. :eyes:

[KoKo]

20. REALLY? And, what do YOU think COULD HAVE BEEN DONE...by the Dems

to "Purge Gonzales?" :shrug:

[AshevilleGuy]

23. The longer he stays, the more damage he does to the regime.

It isn't hurting us that he slowly dangles in the wind. And when he testifies on 17th April, there is no telling what DELICIOUS nuggets he might serve up, piping hot!!!! :evilgrin:

And I don't even like popcorn...

[Norquist Nemesis]

24. Well, let's put him on the hearing grill first

I want to see him squirm.

[barb162]

25. Tell me something; is Bush likely to bring in someone better?

You may be sorry for what you wish; he could bring in a far worse toadie than AG. And knowing Bush, it's highly likely.

[kaal]

27. ops

duplicate post..

[kaal]

28. I guess I need to be patient

It seems we've caught the AG red handed trying to rig the next elections.... Moreover Sampson's testimony proves he lied....


I've got my peanut butter & jam in hand, as I wait for the toast. I just hope it comes before 17th April.


I must admit I just love what Waxman, Leahy and Conyers are doing. I wish we had a lot more of them...

[cali]

35. I don't hope it comes before the 17th- though

I think it inevitably will. I'd love to see him up there under oath, being asked about lying under oath. Too bad it'll never happen.

[Lil Missy]

29. The failure to purge Gonzo is a failure of the Republicans, not the Dems

I say put the responsibility where it lies instead of blaming Dems for everything. The bush stops at gwbush.

[Evergreen Emerald]

31. It's Clinton's fault

I'm series. :)

[Lil Missy]

32. Of course it's Clinton's fault!

I get sooooo sick of every discussion about bush incompetence ending up in an argument about Clinton and/or his prick. Gaaaah!

And, I know you were kidding. ;)

[DFW]

36. Proof that it is indeed Clinton's fault!

https://www.cdbaby.com/cd/freedomtoastdem

Listen to the clip "Clinton is to Blame-O"
Documented proof in song that Bill CLinton
is to blame for everything that went wrong
since Attila sacked Rome.........

[gratuitous]

33. Nope

Gonzales is scheduled to appear before Congress on April 17, the day he insisted on, even though the committee offered him earlier dates. Contrary to what you've seen over the last six years, there are still some folks in the country who believe that evidence and testimony have to be developed before a conviction can be secured, and the Democrats are some of those people.

Curiously, just before Congress recessed for two weeks, and after the extremely damning testimony of Mr. Sampson, the administration is very interested in getting Mr. Gonzales before a committee somewhere, anywhere, long before April 17. Naturally, none of us should pre-judge their sudden desire to address this situation, particularly coupled with the fact that committee investigators will be interviewing other people from the Department of Justice during the recess. Why, that would strongly imply that the administration is very nervous about just what might come to the committee's attention prior to April 17, which now seems a very long time away to the White House and the Department of Justice.

There are often two ways to do a job; patient, methodical, and thorough beats rushed and half-assed every time. And because the people who believe in America were rushed through Watergate and Iran/contra (both of which ended with premature Republican presidential pardons) before the task at hand was completed, the cancerous entities that have sickened our public processes survived to work even greater mischief.

This time, let's take it one step at a time. No aftermath of "witch hunts" or "stab-in-the-back" myths will survive to bring the criminals of this, the last Bush administration, back to haunt us again. Develop the evidence, take the testimony, and leave no doubt this time.

[meldroc]

34. For us, it's better if Bush is stubborn and keeps Gonzo on longer.

The longer Torture Boy twists in the wind, the worse it will get for the Bush Administration. Already, this scandal has not only implicated Gonzales, but also Rove, and if we keep digging, we may see direct evidence of Bush and Cheney involvement. Add in the evidence that virtually everyone high up in the Bush Administration has been circumventing archival requirements by conducting official business with gwb43.com email, and we see that Gonzales is the tip of the iceberg. We want Gonzales' rotting corpse to continue to fester in the public for a while - that will ensure that more corruption will be uncovered.

Don't sweat - Gonzales' days are already numbered. We just want to bring down the rest of the Bush Administration with him.