What's with IAVA going after Democrats...saying military is going indy.

[madfloridian]

Saying the Democrats are making the military just as angry as Bush?

Weickoff just said it on Countdown...another IAVA was very critical of Democrats on Rachel Maddow last night.

Are they not aware that because of Joe Lieberman and because of Tim Johnson's illness that the votes are just not there?

What is going on with that group? If they don't like Democrats, let them work with Republicans...and may I say good luck with that, fellows.

[NMDemDist2]

1. that they are mad at Democrats is institutional inertia

that they are mad at Repukes is news

they'll get over their inertia soon I think

[DURHAM D]

2. I totally lost respect for that guy - very stupid thinking.

Sadly, he probably really thinks he has a good point.

I tried not to say to myself "What did you expect from him, he has recently been in the military".

[drm604]

3. IAVA?

I never saw this acronym before. Google turns up "Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America". Is that who you're talking about?

http://www.iava.org/

[madfloridian]

6. Yes.

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[oldgrowth]

15. That's it they were founded by Paul Rieckhoff

All the troops get is rush ,fox ect.Paul Rieckhoff was saying up until 6 months ago he was saying we can win in Iraq and can't leave!!!!There the largest Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Org.
http://www.iava.org/index.php

[ShortnFiery]

4. As a veteran, I'm also frustrated with our seemingly *gutless* leaders for not starting IMPEACHMENT

proceedings. And don't tell me that there isn't enough evidence. :grr:

Further, if our Senators would have filibustered ALITO, we might just be able to have closed GITMO by now. Sure, the Republicans would have pulled the "nuclear option" but we didn't even try.

IMO, our democratic representatives, with a few notable exceptions, are seemingly more worried about their own personal careers, than to do what WE ALL KNOW IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO NOW, i.e., IMPEACH!

That's why, IMO, many active duty and veterans are registering as Independent. In FAR too many ways, it seems that our Democratic representatives are as beholden to the Military Industrial Complex and AIPAC as the republicans have fully PROVEN to be owned by. :(

Our democratic representatives need to "grow a spine" and IMPEACH NOW, with extreme prejudice. :grr:

[madfloridian]

7. If only they had the votes they could grow a stronger spine.

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[SteveM]

5. Bush won't break. He won't even bend. He'll get his way.

The only way to end the Iraq war and to change policy in the Mid-East is to cut off funding, impeach or wait til Bush's term ends. (The proclivities of Dems is to sit & wait -- they call that strategy.) In the mean time, the GOPers WILL try to issue-frame the Dems as weak on defense, weak on security, weak on ideas, and weak in the gut. There's a good chance they'll succeed, maybe not in time for 2008, but for the long haul. The GOPers are looking way down the road to achieve permanent power.

[madfloridian]

8. Then let the military work with the Republicans...

and see how far they get. :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

9. The PROCESS of Impeachment is enough to turn almost the entire country

against The Unitary Executive.

Like not even attempting to counter Alito with a filibuster, the Democratic Representatives look like "frightened school children" when they don't even make THE ATTEMPT.

It's not necessarily "the victory" (votes) that will bring people's view of the Democratic Party to the POSITIVE, it's persistence and determination. It's the WILL to do "what's right" even though the odds are against you.

In Virginia, I don't have to declare a party, but if our Democratic Representatives don't show the moral courage to IMPEACH in the near future, then I'm going to vote for the LEAST Corporate Controlled Representative, if any.

FAR too many of our Democratic Representatives hold our views but are so chicken-shit that their little "personal careers" may be put at risk, that they are abandoning their oath to uphold the constitution.

DAMN THE VOTES, THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS WILL REVEAL THEIR CORRUPT AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. :thumbsup:

Coming from a family that's served in the US Army for generations, those in the Military despise cowardice. IMO, looking out for one's personal career before the welfare of their constituents is the height of a COWARD. :(

I'm done now. :blush: :rant:

[madfloridian]

10. Actually impeaching Clinton raised his favorable ratings.

It would probably happen that way with Bush. Even the ones who are waking up about what he has done are not ready for that kind of stuff...I know many who are still shaky on it and would start backing him again in a second.

[ShortnFiery]

13. Because when he went in, he was popular and he was impeached for bogus reasons.

We have plethora of evidence, and EVERYONE knows it! The only thing that is holding back our representatives from beginning Impeachment proceedings is that "they fear" that there MAY BE a backlash. What they fail to understand is that the entire country will rally around them once all the evidence is aired to the American Public.

It's time, if not now, not ever. These old bastard's offspring will rise up 30 years later to destroy our children and grandchildren IF we don't stop them NOW.

[madfloridian]

17. There is no arguing with those who demand perfection.

So I won't. I don't think it matters.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Perfection? Bunk! How many crimes must The Unitary Executive commit

before the Democratic representatives have the COURAGE to do what's right, what's morally sound?

Hell, between not filibustering Alito and behaving chicken-shit with regard to Impeachment, I don't even see "a method" for true democratic victories in our future.

Keeping one's powder dry is for losers. ;)

[MethuenProgressive]

11. IAVA is non-partisan. Nobody gets a pass from them.

"If they don't like Democrats, let them work with Republicans"
They have to rubberstamp all things Democratic to earn your respect?

[madfloridian]

12. No, I think they should work with the Republicans.

If they have not even learned that the funding is in the bill, that a timeline is in the bill...then they need to just work with Republicans. They don't even seem informed.

[ShortnFiery]

14. It's unfair to come to such a conclusion from that BRIEF interview.

We are all frustrated by one thing: The Unitary Executive always gets his way. We need representatives who have the courage to battle the odds and go forth with OUSTING these evil leaders who have CLEARLY breeched our Constitution.

Didn't our Democratic Representatives take AN OATH to the Constitution, not to their career prospects?

[madfloridian]

16. Maybe it's because it does not matter what they do.

If you think they are going easy on Bush right now, then I really don't know what else to say. The guy on Rachel Maddow last night was clueless as well that the Democrats are better for them than the GOP.

[ShortnFiery]

18. OK, but I urge you to consider that both Active Duty and Veterans

are not a homogeneous group. Further note the "absence of applause" by the Military when Dimson used them (again!) as a back drop for another one of his pro-war speeches today?

The military wants to do their job and get back home to their families. Especially those who are in the Guard and Reserve are being asked to serve BEYOND their established missions.

They are far too busy and filled with political hype through General Officers to have a "firm grasp" of all the specifics. This is NOT due to lack of intelligence, but lack of time to keep up with political happenings.

We need to bring them into the Democratic fold. IMO the best way to show that "we care" is for our Democratic Representatives put THEM and our Constitution above "the odds" and GO FOR IT!

If you want the respect of the military, then take a calculated risk and don't back down. Have faith that airing the atrocities of The Unitary Executive will turn the Republicans, albeit begrudgingly, to our side. They will have to flip and vote for Impeachment when all the evidence sees the light of day, i.e., is published for the public.

[madfloridian]

23. I only referred to one group. I do care for them, and resent that you said that.

I believe their leader often said we had to win and couldn't leave. Now in two days two of them are just as critical of Democrats as Republicans...that is just not fair even from a group that is non partisan.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Oh come on! This is freedom of speech. It's best to put country over

party when it comes down to brass tacks.

Not everyone is as devoted to the Democratic (big D) party as some of us here.

It's about time to realize that if we don't FORCE our representatives to serve US first before their corporate donors or their blessed careers, then what good are they anyway?

It wasn't our Democratic Representatives that extracted our troops from Vietnam but The People who shouted, protested and, in essence, DEMANDED that we stop this insanity.

Unfortunately, we are revisiting this horrific situation. And again, it will be The People making DEMANDS on our legislators to do their damn job that will make the difference.

[Jai4WKC08]

20. Another military-bashing thread from madfloridian

What a surprise.
:eyes:

[madfloridian]

21. No, that is just not true.

I am surprised that a group of Iraq veterans would not see that the Democrats are more on their side on this overall....aside from those like Joe and a few Blue Dogs and New Dems...but many of them are coming on board now.

I hate it when people here call others haters or bashers of something.

[madfloridian]

22. I have never bashed military. Your subject line is not true.

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