Geraldo's stance on immigration

[jcrew2001]

I take it everyone has viewed the video of Geraldo fighting O'Reilly. Its utterly hilarious. Crooksandliars.com has the full clip. After the fight, O'Reilly realizes he has one minute left, so they just mumble stuff on dead air.

Can someone fill me in on Geraldo?

I always thought he was a trashy tv person, and a right-wing hag due to his work on Fox News, but he's Bi-racial and his mom is Jewish. Does anyone know his views on Israel and the Mid-east? He's probably catholic.

Also, I agree that visas should be given to illegal immigrants if they have work. Its a slippery slope dealing with immigration, we need to control the borders first, but immigration is solely predicated on work and employment, not border control. If these immigrants are working and trying to achieve the American dream, then that is a valid point. Geraldo's website argues that Cuban-Americans are greeted with open arms as political-refugees, but mexicans are condemned.

The point of Illegal Immigrants taking up social programs and health care, police, and education costs is Valid. So we need to give them visas, put them on the books, and make them pay taxes like the rest of us.

We need illegals to pay for their fair share of the govt costs. Much of this is already taken by their employers if they are using fake ids.

[Lost-in-FL]

1. I see it coming...

the Anti-immigration, hate flame war. :popcorn:

[sandnsea]

2. We need to learn the facts

And once we've been told the facts, we need to not let our prejudices get in the way of accepting them.

Fact #1. Anybody in America who does not make a living wage will use social and community programs. They will pay sales tax, property tax in the form of rent, and FICA and any income tax. That is equally true of the vast majority of illegals. If you don't like low income people using govt services, then you need to make business and corporations foot the bill for their own labor costs by demanding they increase wages.

[madeline_con]

3. Fact # 2

Illegals are here illegally. That is what is wrong with them being here.

[sandnsea]

4. Stop hiring them

Then they won't come.

[madeline_con]

7. True, but....

the prices will go up, and there will be outrage about that. It's a no win situation, IMO.

[AlCzervik]

8. well then prices should go down on health care because thats what we always

hear about right, the illegals overloading our hospital emergency rooms and draining our resources, also public schools should do a huge turn around as well since the illegals will be gone. So lets see after the mass deportation how quickly will we see an improvement in these things?

[sandnsea]

10. Nikes are $10

Levis are $5. That 50 cent an hour labor is making all the difference in prices, isn't it?

Just aaaaaaaarrrrggh

[AlCzervik]

11. well thats the strawman argument i always hear, the immigrants are ruining

the public education system and the health care system but these same people argue that prices will go up on things if god forbid----we had to pay someone a living wage! Does anyone relly think healthcare will get better and chaeper if the immigrants were all gone--i don't, not for second.

[sandnsea]

12. I know

I can't figure out how they think US citizens can survive on these low-income wages if illegals can't. Makes no sense to me. Low income people use social services, duh. The only way for them to not use the services is for business to foot their own labor costs, but the same people are too chicken to stand up for that either. Easier to pick on the lowest on the totem pole I guess.

[AlCzervik]

14. well it seems that historically when the economy is tanking it's blame the immigrants

1st, god forbid we look at our own trade agreements and outsourcing and then hb1 visas and so forth, and oh yeah remember when our country used to actually manufacture things?

[Greyhound]

18. I think you're conflating immigration and illegal immigration, these are two different issues.

We need to increase immigration, though probably not as much as the immigration industry would like, and we need to stop illegal immigration by removing the motivation.

This, to me, is what is so maddening about this whole issue, we have basically two sides of the issue and neither will talk about the only solutions that makes any sense because it doesn't advance their own agendas.

You're absolutely right that our trade agreements and out-sourcing/off-shoring policies are disasters and need to be drastically altered or eliminated altogether. It's like we're in a car hurtling down a road at 120 mph toward a collapsed bridge and one side has their foot on the gas and the other has their foot on the brake and both are fighting for the steering wheel with no concern for where the car is headed.

[sandnsea]

9. Just like with minimum wage?

Believe that canard too???

And if it's all about low prices, then why in the hell do fat-assed Americans think they have the right to piss all over the people bringing them those low prices?

This isn't hard. This requires the majority of Americans demand the leisure class stop raping us. Costco does it. Anybody can do it.

[aein]

16. fact #3: if we legalize them, ergo, they are not illegals

[BearSquirrel2]

13. Increasing wages ...

This is the point. An excessive amount of immigration depresses wages for EVERYONE in the sector.

What we need is a "final amnesty" amendment. The act would make automatic US citizenship only available to the children of US citizens. At the same time it would grant a "last amnesty" that would grant full citizenship to everyone with there foot in the door at the time the bill passed congress (as opposed to waiting for ratification).

It would actually be the LAST AMNESTY because it would say so in the amendment. Congress could not undue that. A provision could state that any future amnesties would have to name individuals specifically on a bill.

Will this eliminate illegal immigration 100%. Of course not. But it does eliminate the "anchor baby" phenomenon that makes border hopping a good bet. Future cases would not get bogged down in the issue of the children being US citizens.

[sandnsea]

15. We need a LABOR Amendment

Something that says We The People are who the Constitution is actually designed for, not the 700,000 millionaires. Seems logical, yet those 700,000 are the ones who are constantly being represented in Congress. And here we are again, letting them pit us against each other instead of demanding they fork over some of their earnings to wages and health benefits. It doesn't matter where the workers are, until we demand the economy benefit those who labor, it'll just be a new group of people they tell you is the source of your problems.

[AlCzervik]

5. unless Gelaldo is involved in public policy making it doesn't matter what his stance

is on immigration imo.

[IWantAChange]

6. 5+ years since 9/11 and we don't know within 3-5million how many illegals there are...

gosh I feel all warm and fuzzy with Repukes in charge.....

[aein]

17. all those people came on valid visas