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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:36 PM
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Hillary Clinton and the Huffington Post
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 08:37 PM by PBass
Am I imagining things, or does the Huffington Post seem to only pick unflattering photos of Senator Clinton, whenever she is the topic of a story? Whenever I see photos of Hillary on their website, it seems like she's always scowling, or has a funny expression on her face.

There are probably hundreds of photos of Senator Clinton available to choose from, so I have to think this is a deliberate decision by whoever their art director is (or perhaps Arianna Huffington herself).

Look, I understand that Clinton is not everybody's first choice to win the Democratic primaries. I understand that there are even some Dems who have an Anybody But Hillary attitude. I think that's totally fine... vote for who you want. Donate to who you want. Volunteer for who you want.

I just think posting negative-looking photos of Democratic candidates is (A) juvenile and (B) counterproductive in a 'circular firing squad' type of way, and (C) really the type of approach I would expect to see at a website like Drudge's. It's hack-y. It's un-serious.

Now please, has anyone else noticed this? And if not, keep an eye out in the future, and see if I am imagining this or not.

By the way, I am currently leaning towards John Edwards. Seems like the Huffington Post is behind Obama. That's not the point... the point is that I have an expectation that a website like Huffington Post would conduct itself in a more above-board and professional manner. If you don't support Senator Clinton's campaign, then lets discuss the issues, lets discuss her policies, lets discuss her proposals. Lets talk about Senator Clinton's shortcomings, her voting record, her public statements (or silence, as the case may be). But please, don't make it all snarky, don't make it about "gotcha" photographs. Maybe I am assuming too much, about the Huffington Post... maybe I'm assuming that they are more serious than they actually are . Maybe the Huffington Post is just a liberal version of Drudge, more or less... a liberal tabloid.

(By the way, I do enjoy browsing the Huffington Post in general. This is just something that has been bugging me).

Comments, please.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:39 PM
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1. I think the Huffington Post is pro-Obama and anti-Hillary
There is a bias indeed.
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:41 PM
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3. The bias is fine... why can't it be about policy and issues though...
and not about Senator Clinton looking awkward in a photo?

Why operate on that superficial level?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:45 PM
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5. Because HRC's campaign is superficial
What is her message? What are her policies? She doesn't even have an issues page on her presidential campaign's website. She is the only candidate not to have such a page. This is very telling about the lack of substance in her campaign.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:07 PM
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10. As I've pointed out before
Hillary's website is full of things related to the issues. I won't bother to post the links again. She doesn't need to have a specific section labeled "issues" when her whole website is about issues.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:08 PM
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11. I went to her site and you're right.
It seems all she has there is stuff about government reform and other superficial things like health care, equal pay, our troops and Iraq. God, what a way to run a campaign.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:16 PM
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18. She has videos. Few voters will watch videos
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 09:18 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Every other candidate for president understands this and includes an issues page with written blurbs about their positions on key issues. Obviously HRC and her team are not dumb. They deliberately did this because it is consistent with their campaign strategy of being as vague and generic as possible in the primaries so she has the flexibility to lurch to the right in the general election. This is not an unusual strategy for a front-runner. George W. Bush employed a similar strategy in 2000, for instance.

Edwards, for instance, has a seven page health care plan that anyone in America can easily read on his website. On health care HRC has a link to her speech at the Nevada forum on health care. Which is more likely to reach voters? How many voters will spend 10 minutes listening to a speech (which itself contained vague, generic rhetoric and no plan)? Barack Obama also has a solid health care page. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:21 PM
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19. Just because it's not a format that you like
doesn't mean that she doesn't have the issues on her website.

And there aren't just videos - there are articles, press releases, speeches, what have you.

For example, here's a link to her plan for government reform, which she unveiled on Friday:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/realplan/
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:26 PM
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24. Every other candidate for president uses that easy-to-access format
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 09:27 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Candidates for Congress and state offices use that format. So do candidates for mayor with the budget to do so. Why? Because they want voters to easily find their views on the issues. To think HRC is merely and coincidentally using a different format is unrealistic. She is doing so because it is consistent with her campaign strategy. If her speeches were policy-laden then your argument would be valid but her speeches are just as generic and vague as her website.

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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:26 PM
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41. Truthfully, how many voters are going to read a 7 page health care plan?
For that matter, how many voters will even check out the candidates' websites? Most people aren't like us. They vote for who they think everybody else is going to vote for. In other words, most people vote for who they think is going to win. That's why the first big primaries are so important.

None of this is to say websites aren't important. They are very important. Especially, to get info to people like us who might want to pay attention, so we'll go out and tell all of our friends who either don't have time to pay attention, don't care to pay attention and whose entire political life is spent on one day every four years. Should she have an issue page? Yes, it would probably make it much easier to copy and paste her positions here and there. The fact she doesn't have one will do little to persuade me one way, or the other who I will vote for. Maybe, the fact somebody else does have one will give them the edge with me. Who knows?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:41 PM
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43. Not many will read the entire 7 pages, so the site has a summary
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 10:42 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
If someone is interested in letting people know their views they can easily do so. Edwards has both a brief summary for people who will not read the entire plan and the 7 page plan on his website. Here is the summary (is asking HRC to do something similar too much to ask?):

==John Edwards has a bold plan to transform America's health care system and provide universal health care for every man, woman and child in America.

Under the Edwards Plan:

* Families without insurance will get coverage at an affordable price.
* Families with insurance will pay less and get more security and choices.
* Businesses and other employers will find it cheaper and easier to insure their workers.

The Edwards Plan achieves universal coverage by:

* Requiring businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their health insurance.
* Making insurance affordable by creating new tax credits, expanding Medicaid and SCHIP, reforming insurance laws, and taking innovative steps to contain health care costs.
* Creating regional "Health Markets" to let every American share the bargaining power to purchase an affordable, high-quality health plan, increase choices among insurance plans, and cut costs for businesses offering insurance.
* Once these steps have been taken, requiring all American residents to get insurance.==

http://johnedwards.com/about/issues/health-care/

Here is Obama's page:

Barack Obama is committed to providing quality, affordable health care to all Americans.

"In the 2008 campaign, affordable, universal health care for every single American must not be a question of whether, it must be a question of how. We have the ideas, we have the resources, and we will have universal health care in this country by the end of the next president's first term."

-Barack Obama, Speech in Washington, DC 1/25/07

The United States spends twice as much per person on health care as every other developed country in the world, but 45 million Americans don't have health coverage. Health care premium costs are growing five times faster than wages, and half of all bankruptcies are caused by medical bills. More and more businesses are struggling with health costs, or dropping coverage altogether.

In his book, The Audacity of Hope, and in a series of speeches and public events Barack Obama has outlined specific principles for providing affordable and comprehensive coverage and for improving quality of care and reducing of costs for everyone. These include tackling medical inflation and spiraling health care costs, developing new mechanisms to extend portable, affordable coverage, and reforming health care delivery so that it emphasizes prevention and efficiency.

However, every election year, people offer comprehensive health care plans, and they never go anywhere. They die in Washington. So one of the things Barack Obama wants to do in this campaign is not only roll out policy plans, but also build a real movement for change.

As a first step, Barack Obama wants to hear from you. He is hosting a series of community discussions around the country to hear not only from policy experts, but also from real Americans who are struggling with the health care system, doctors and nurses, people with insurance and without it. Those who are struggling to pay their bills, or forgoing care because of high costs.

Obama expects his presidency to be judged on whether he provides high-quality affordable health care coverage for all by the end of his first term. We are not short on ideas to address the problem, but what we have lacked is consensus and political will. With the help of your insight, Barack will develop a health care plan that builds on our common experiences and builds the political momentum to enact real reform.

Throughout his career in Washington and in the state Senate, Obama has been dedicated to health care reform. Learn more about Barack's record on health care and share your voice on these issues by using our My.Policy tools:

Extending Health Care To Children.

Nine million children lack health insurance coverage in America. As a state senator, Barack Obama sponsored and helped pass legislation that extends and expands Illinois' KidCare program to provide coverage for an additional 20,000 children and 65,000 more Illinois adults.

Empowering Health Care Consumers with Hospital Report Cards

Consumers do not have enough information to make good choices about their health care. Senator Obama introduced the Hospital Quality Report Card Act to require hospitals to report on the effectiveness, safety and timeliness of the care they provide. This legislation, which is similar to a bill that Barack Obama passed in the Illinois State Senate, would help patients make healthcare decisions and help providers and insurers get the right information to improve quality and contain costs.

Encouraging Medical Information Technology

Every transaction consumers make at banks across the country costs them less than a penny. Yet, because we have not updated technology in the health care industry, a single transaction at a hospital still costs up to $25--not one dime of which goes toward improving care. The lack of modern, interoperable information technology at our hospitals costs in time, money, and medical errors. Senator Obama worked with Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) to introduce the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act to leverage the federal government's purchasing power to encourage the development of health information technology. The bill would require medical insurance companies that deal with the federal government to implement an electronic system for efficient and effective settlement of medical claims.

Fighting Health Disparities:

Minorities, the poor and those in remote areas are less healthy and receive lower quality health care than other Americans. Barack Obama championed the Minority Health Improvement and Health Disparity Elimination Act to understand the root causes of health disparities and to start to address them. The bill puts new emphasis on disparity research by directing the Department of Health and Human Services to collect and report healthcare data by race and ethnicity, as well as geographic and socioeconomic status and level of health literacy. The legislation also outlines mechanisms to conduct educational outreach to disparity populations, increase diversity among healthcare professionals, and improve the delivery of health care to minorities and other underserved groups.

Making Prescription Drugs Cheaper:

Spending in the U.S. for prescription drugs was $200 billion in 2005, more than five times more than the $40.3 billion spent in 1990. As a state senator, Obama helped pass legislation to reduce drug costs for seniors and low-income patients by discounting drugs, reducing copayments and encouraging the government to negotiate down the costs of drugs. Obama supports giving Medicare the right to use the federal government's buying power to negotiate down the costs of prescription drugs, just like the Department of Veterans Affairs does for our veterans' prescriptions.

Fighting AIDS Worldwide

There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. Every day, AIDS kills 8,000 and HIV infects 6,000 more people. The disease is set to become the third-leading cause of death worldwide in the coming years. Senator Obama has been a global leader in the fight against AIDS. He traveled to Kenya and took a public HIV test to encourage testing and reduce the stigma of the disease. The Senator joined Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) at a large California evangelical church to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle. At this conservative Christian event, Obama pushed a balanced approach to fighting the disease that includes condom distribution. Senator Obama also worked with Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and others to introduce the Microbicide Development Act, which will accelerate the development of products that empower women in the battle against AIDS. Microbicides are a class of products currently under development that women apply topically to prevent transmission of HIV and other infections.

Bravery and Bipartisanship on the AIDS Battle

"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois told more than 2,000 evangelical leaders in Orange County on Friday that he 'respectfully but unequivocally' disagrees with those who oppose condom distribution to fight the AIDS pandemic. . . . Obama drew a standing ovation from the 2,072 pastors and others who came from 39 states and 18 nations."

-Los Angeles Times, December 2, 2006

Fostering Healthy Communities

How a community is designed -- including the layout of its roads, buildings and parks -- can have a huge impact on the health of its residents. For instance, nearly one-third of Americans live in neighborhoods without sidewalks and less than half of our country's children have a playground within walking distance of their homes. This lack of a safe place to walk and play is a major contributor to the growing numbers of overweight children. Senator Obama introduced the Healthy Places Act to help state and local governments assess the health impact of new policies or projects, whether it is a new highway or shopping center. Once the health impact is determined, the bill gives grant funding and technical assistance to help address potential health problems.

"We . . . write to thank you for the introduction of S.2506/H.R.5088 The Healthy Places Act of 2006. The relationship between the built environment and the health and safety of all Americans is a vitally important aspect of public health. We are hopeful that with your leadership, Congress will soon address this critical health issue."

-Letter from Coalition of Health Groups.

Improving Mental Health Care: Mental illness affects approximately one in five American families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per year. As a state senator, Obama helped pass mental health parity bill that requires coverage for serious mental illnesses to be provided on the same terms and conditions as are applicable to other illnesses and diseases.

Harnessing the Power of Genetic Medicine

Genomics has the potential to revolutionize the practice of medicine, but despite significant scientific advances, very few genomics-based tests or treatments have reached consumers. Genomics could eventually help predict which Americans will get sick, diagnose illness earlier, and screen patients to determine which drugs will be effective and safe. Senator Obama introduced the Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act to overcome the scientific barriers, adverse market pressures, and outdated federal regulations that have stood in the way of better medicine.

"The Obama bill accelerates advances in the beneficial applications of genetic technologies to human health, while ensuring appropriate safeguards for the quality of genetic testing. After decades of policy lagging behind genetic science, we are hopeful that discussion of this bill will jumpstart the setting of sound genetic public policy."

- Kathy Hudson, Director, Genetics and Public Policy Center

Protecting Our Children from Lead Poisoning

More than 430,000 children in America have dangerously high levels of lead in their blood. Lead can cause irreversible brain damage, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and, at very high levels, seizures, coma and death. An estimated 14,200 (14 percent) of licensed child care centers nationwide are contaminated with hazardous levels of lead-based paint. Many toys on store shelves have unsafe levels of lead. A study commissioned by Senator Obama even found deadly levels of lead in some products sold at congressional gift shops.

Senator Obama introduced the Lead Poisoning Reduction Act to help protect children from lead poisoning by requiring that child care facilities, including Head Start programs and kindergartens, be lead-safe within five years. Senator Obama also introduced the Lead Free Toys Act to set strict regulations on lead in toys. Any product marketed or used by children under age six that contains more than trace amounts of lead would be banned under the Hazardous Substance Act. Senator Obama has also pressured the EPA to publish long-delayed regulations for mitigating lead hazards during home renovations.

"Instead of recall after recall, why not prevent these dangerous exposures in the first place? That's what U.S. Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois wants to do. He has introduced legislation that would ban lead in all children's products. Adopting the ban - and imposing harsh penalties for violators - would be the best way to protect kids."

-Des Moines Register, Editorial, August 19, 2006

"Senator Obama's action puts EPA on notice that it may no longer delay addressing a tragic but completely avoidable public health threat."

--Jeff Ruch, Executive Director, Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility

Reducing Risks of Mercury Pollution:

More than five million women of childbearing age have high levels of toxic mercury in their blood and approximately 630,000 newborns are born every year at risk. The EPA estimates that every year, more than one child in six could be at risk for developmental disorders because of mercury exposure in the mother's womb. Since the primary sources of mercury in fish are power plant emissions that contaminate our water, regulation of utility emissions is essential to protecting the health of our children. Barack Obama introduced two pieces of legislation to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Fighting Ovarian Cancer:

Ovarian cancer is the fourth-leading cause of cancer-related death among women in the United States. Because of the lack of early symptoms or a proven screening test, ovarian cancer also has the highest mortality of all cancers of the female reproductive system. Barack Obama is an original cosponsor of Johanna's Law. Signed into law in January 2007, the law will educate women and increase awareness of ovarian cancer.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #43
56. I don't much like Edwards plan. Obama's sounds good, but it's more
of a "will, let's find a way" plan. Which is fine and actually very realistic, in my opinion. If Hillary said the same thing, though, she'd be drawn and quartered.

I won't disagree with you. It would be nice for Hillary to have a page like that, but it's neither a vote-getter, or vote-loser, for me - as I said before.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:57 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Hillary sure would get "drawn and quartered" for a lot, wouldn't she?
Apparently she can't walk out her front door without getting "drawn and quartered". Why would anyone support someone who is so untrusted by Americans?
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. If you follow the polls, there are a lot of Americans who won't draw and quarter
her. They'd vote for her, instead.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. Then she should have no excuse for not leading with a plan on important issues. (nt)
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Did you steal that line from the GOP?
It sounds familiar.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #61
69. She's a DLCer. She's a former member of the Wal-mart board of Directors.
Her agenda is not the same as the agenda of the vast majority of the Democratic base, imho.

This is why she does not detail her plans for us. She can prove my distrust of her wrong by detailing her plans, but I already know that she won't and I believe I know why she doesn't.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #5
28. ?
I'm not an HC supporter, but let's be fair (so your candidate can be treated farily in return); what you're saying isn't true. You wouldn't want that to reflect un-fairly on your candidate would you?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. What about my post isn't true?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. HC's website has all kinds of policy info all over it. n/t
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. See the earlier post about her not having an issues page, unlike EVERY other prez candidate
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 10:12 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
She has some, but deliberately makes people go on a wild goose chase for it, i.e. sit there and listen to a speech to find it instead of making it easily accessible like every other presidential candidate, gubernatorial candidates, congressional candidates, etc.

On the key issues she has no plan or vision. If I am wrong, can someone post her plan for health care? Her plan for Iraq? Her plan for poverty? Education?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
66. The part where you claim she has no substance because she has no issues page
So you argue for substance from the campaign then when provided with info demand a watered down summary page?

:shrug:

Don't you have any other rw memes to spout like Hillary is using the Rutgers team

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704130017

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704110014

or that Hillary is viewed as corrupt based on a poll from Judicial Watch?



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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
63. This BS again?
"What is her message? What are her policies?"

She links to many speeches and has podcasts on her website dealing with various issues.

"She doesn't even have an issues page on her presidential campaign's website. She is the only candidate not to have such a page."

No she does not have a page labeled issues.

"This is very telling about the lack of substance in her campaign."

No what is telling is the length people will go to LIE about something that they have been shown repeatedly is not true.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. It's amazing isn't it
What's even more amazing (and sad) is how many people buy into it the lies, just because they're repeated so many times. Then again, some people buy into the lies just because they're about Hillary. That's even sadder.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. it is very anti-Clinton is my estimation. Sad.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. I'm glad they are pro-Obama, but
they don't have to be anti-Clinton in order to promote him.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:41 PM
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2. PBass, you have just earned the prestigious position of "Unflattering Images of HRC Czar".
Thank you for your diligent work in this important arena. :hi: MKJ
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Excellent... Let the War Of Unflattering Photos commence!
This will really elevate the primary process...

:sarcasm:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. It seems to have been worthy of an OP by you.
:shrug: MKJ
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. And worthy of several responses by you... thanks for the bump.
I still haven't figured out the substance of your comments, though.

Oh well...
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. I'll even "bump" you again, to say, no problemo!
:hi: MKJ
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:48 PM
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6. True. But, most blogs are pro someone, usually Edwards
Most blogs do the same with Edwards and Obama that Hufpo does with Obama and Hillary.
The blogs do not mention Hillary so much. But, they put Edwards on a pedestal and then do a daily thrashing of Obama.
Hufpo is just using different candidates.
But, Taylor Marsh is pro Hillary alot and anti Obama
They all have favs they promote.
Hufpo supports Obama.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 08:55 PM
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8. Arianna Huffington HATES Hillary C with the heat of a 1000 suns.
Like Maureen Dowd, it sometimes gets the best of her.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #8
70. That begs the question....
If you were in a room between the two would you be frozen solid or spontaneously combust!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:05 PM
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9. I don't go to Huff Post so haven't noticed anything, but I don't
so along with awful photos of anyone except George and Dick. I will even go so far as to say they shouldn't use awful photos of Michelle Malkin. It's juvenile or manipulative or both.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:09 PM
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12. Molly Ivins didn't like Hillary either!
And Molly is now in Heaven, so what does that tell you about Hillary?
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. that makes no sense
sorry
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:24 PM
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Really?
That's the best thing I've heard all day.
:rofl:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. Darn! Sorry, I missed it!
I could use a laugh.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:17 PM
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48. Like Bush, Hillary and her adoring followers, believe in First Amendment Zones
I remind you that prior to the IWR vote, Hillary called the cops on a group of peace demonstrators that had come to her NY offices requesting a meeting with her or her staffers to discuss their opposition to the war.

Hillary as President, will use PATRIOT and all the others tools of oppression that Bush has used, to suppress dissent and spy on progressives.

Molly Ivins knew this, and this is why she wrote extensively against Hillary. We should listen to Molly's warnings.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:28 PM
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50. I do not trust her use of the word "redeployment", nor her references
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 11:31 PM by patrice
to "no plans for permanent occupation or bases", especially in light of her, and others', including Obama, assumption that there will be a long-term residual force.

Not to mention AIPAC!!!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:44 PM
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53. Hillary has not renounced "first use" of atomic weapons, so when she speaks of all options on table
when it comes on Iran, she is saying that she would consider the first use of bunker busting atomic bombs, just as Sy Hersh said Bush was planning to do with Iran.

Hillary's criticism of the Iraq War is limited to Bush's "mismanagement" of the war, not the war itself. Hillary shares the same goals that Bush, Lieberman, AIPAC, PNAC, and PPI have for the Middle East.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:35 AM
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55. Commonly known as "being strong on national security",
a powerful bit of rhetoric about which most of us know exactly bupkis. Why is there no other definition for "being strong on national security" other than the self-fulfilling prophecy of playing high stakes games with other people's lives. Do you think HC would have voted for the IWR if Chelsea had enlisted, in the ranks - not as an officer, before the vote?

And what about the bunkers these folks have available to them exclusively and where many of us'd be shot if we tried to enter under emergency conditions.

It's all absolutely insane.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:33 PM
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64. Hillary has advocated nuking the entire Middle East.
If you're going to peddle bullshit, why not think big?

Hillary shares the same goals that Bush, Lieberman, AIPAC, PNAC, and PPI have for the Middle East.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:12 PM
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15. You are NOT imagining things about Huffpost and Hillary
For the longest time, there was hardly a week went by that she didn't have something hateful about
Hillary. Bartcop's readers have noticed the very same thing. In fact, he published one of my comments
on his website with reference to how Arianna dislikes the Clintons in general. :shrug: :shrug:
Bart says it's a money maker for Huffington to bad-mouth the Clintons. To me, it seems childish.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:13 PM
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17. If they do that, they shouldn't. I still think Hillary would be an awful candidate for us though.
nt
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:48 PM
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26. Is this a sign of things to come?
Look, Hillary Clinton is my Senator. I am definitely disappointed that she is not more progressive. I think as a Senator she was rated in the 70s (with 100 score being most liberal, and zero being most conservative).

But if Hillary Clinton is the eventual nominee for the Democrats, I will vote for her. I will donate money to her general election campaign... Because even though she's not everything I wish she was, she would still be 10 times better as our president, than anybody running on the Republican side.

I just wonder now, if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, will we be seeing Arianna Huffington on the news channels criticizing Senator Clinton during the general election?

If so, I will feel a little demoralized, and I will lose some respect for Mrs Huffington.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:53 PM
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27. Hillary supporters should recognize that she her nomination will upset many Dems
much moreso than any other (realistic) Dem possibility. I don't think there will be massive 3rd party defections, but it doesn't take many defections to lose an election. I'll definitely vote for her, but looking at the polls, talking to friends and family, talking to party activists leads me to conclude that a Hillary nomination would be bad news.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:58 PM
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29. She will make many stay home
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:01 PM
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32. The DLC would rather regain control of the Democratic Party than defeat the GOP
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:15 PM
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38. For many Democrats her use of the word
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 10:16 PM by patrice
"Redeployment" without more definite commitment to no permanent bases and bringing ALL of the troops home - SOMETIME, i.e. we recognize that when has to be worked out, but we will continue to push for as soon as possible. So far, all I've heard from HC sounds like equivocation to me: ". . . no plans for permanent occupation or bases . . . " http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x22653 may serve her ambitions, but not those of the rest of us.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:23 PM
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40. What is Obama's position on permanent bases in Iraq?
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 10:23 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
I am glad Edwards has come out against permanent bases. I am also not surprised HRC has not done the same. I am curious about Obama's views on the situation, though.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:35 PM
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42. At the MoveOn video town hall recently Obama said the least
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 10:44 PM by patrice
about this of any of the 7 Democrats there (Republicans were invited, but did not accept). I have not been to his website lately to check, but at the aforementioned town hall he only said he had a plan to begin withdrawal in May '07 and complet it in March of '08; he added no details. Both Obama and HC have talked about the necessity of a long term residual force.

I actually like Richardson's position on this issue best with his emphasis on no timeline for Iraq, bring them home right now, no benchmarks, start tomorrow with legislation that revokes the permission granted in the IWR, absolutely no residual force, two diplomatic fronts: one within Iraq in which the Sunni, Shia, and Kurds are required to start all over anew to solve their problems amongst themselves (because, as is fairly obvious, their status quo, with its American taint, is not acceptable to them); the other diplomatic front within the whole region to address all of their security needs, and thus our concerns about Al Qaeda. Pursue the purse-strings approach to ending the war, but don't rely on it alone. Also create and pass legislation that revokes permission for IWR now and follow it all of the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.

I'll go look at Obama's website now, since I haven't been there in a while.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:48 PM
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44. Obama's plan . . .
(1) a reduction in the number of U.S. troops;
(2) a time frame for a phased withdrawal;
(3) the Iraqi government to make progress on forming a political solution;
(4) improved reconstruction efforts to restore basic services in Iraq; and
(5) engaging the international community, particularly key neighboring states and Arab nations, to become more involved in Iraq.

Redeployment (NOT my favorite word) of U.S. forces no later than May 1, 2007 with the goal of removing all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008.

A limited number of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq as basic force protection, to engage in counter-terrorism and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces.

If the Iraqis are successful in meeting the 13 benchmarks for progress laid out by the Bush Administration, this plan also allows for the temporary suspension of the redeployment, provided Congress agrees that the benchmarks have been met.

..................................

I see now why he didn't say much about it at the MoveOn video town hall!!

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:07 PM
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46. Thanks
So he apparently has no position yet on permanent bases in Iraq.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:24 PM
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49. Though he, nor anyone else, would probably never admit it,
the longer those "residual forces" stay the more permanent their digs could be become, especially with all of that reconstruction going on. I saw some stuff from some military analyst a few months ago that mentioned the fact that the logistics alone has to undergo continual upgrade in facilities. This is why HC's reference to "no plans for permanent bases. . . " does not help me trust her.

Obama also included an allusion to Reagan in his remarks; who the heck was he talking to? Is he so sure of his base that he's going after the so-called middle, a la Kerry?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:12 PM
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47. P.S. You may have heard the MoveOn posted two sets of results
from their poll after the town hall.

MoveOn members who watched the Town Hall at one of the parties and therefore watched all 7 videos.

Sen. John Edwards 25%
Gov. Bill Richardson 21%
Sen. Barack Obama 19%
Rep. Dennis Kucinich 15%
Sen. Joe Biden 10%
Sen. Hillary Clinton 7%
Sen. Chris Dodd 4%

MoveOn members, presumably fewer of whom watched all 7 videos before they voted independently the next day, i.e. more candidate partisans.

Sen. Barack Obama 28%
Sen. John Edwards 25%
Rep. Dennis Kucinich 17%
Gov. Bill Richardson 12%
Sen. Hillary Clinton 11%
Sen. Joe Biden 6%
Sen. Chris Dodd 1%
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:43 PM
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52. Thanks, I am glad to see the results
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:04 PM
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34. Yay!! Kathleen Sebelius!!
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 10:04 PM by patrice
Edwards/Sebelius
Richardson/Sebelius
Obama/Sebelius
Gore/Sebelius

as they say around here . . . a kid can dream, can't she?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:20 PM
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39. Hey, ya never know!
:)
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:54 PM
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45. If not this time, maybe 2012.
I'd love! to see it NOW though; the country is in such need of competent, trust worthy leaders AND, of course, she's a woman and that would be sooooo inspiring to all of our young adults and even children, especially girls.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:43 PM
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25. The Goddess of Peace looks great even on the worst possible hair day
Any bad photo of that lady would have to have been photo shopped to make her look bad.

Add her good looks to her bubbly personality and her charm, and it means it's going to be a tough road ahead for my man Obama but I think his ability to connect with the voters could pull it out for him in the end. Plus he's just as charismatic as Hillary, so he's got that going for him, too.

Are we lucky or what to think that we're going to end up with not only a great president in either Obama, Edwards, or Hillary, but for the first time in 8 years we'll be able to enjoy watching our good looking president speak instead of having to reach for the remote like when Bush has been on.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:01 PM
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33. she's a fat ugly cow with a screechy voice- go kucinich go edwards
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 10:10 PM
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36. She's got a smile that radiates like the aurora borealis & eyes that captivate
I'm sure you'd at least agree with that, right.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 11:34 PM
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51. You know what the Bible says about bowing down to false idols
I think you better drop on your knees and beg the Almighty for forgiveness for your heretical belief in the "Goddess of Peace."
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 09:10 AM
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58. Wasn't bowing, IG
Just enlightening.

I like that saying in your Bible, though. I'll check for it tonight before I go to sleep :evilgrin:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:13 AM
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54. Is Arianna really on our side?
I never thought about how Arianna Huffington is jealous because she never had any of Her( Hillary's) success - either in marriage or in a political career. Fascinating.Unfortunately it doesn't explain her bashing of HRC or other Dems when she feels like it.

Is FOX News going to have Arianna Huffington on their network to trash Hillary every day between now and the 2008 elections? I wonder - does she trade "Why I hate Hillary" stories with Susan Estrich, Mara Liason and Juan Williams while the make-up lady gets them ready for Hannity?.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:29 PM
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62. Because Ariana HATES Hillary (nt)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:39 PM
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67. Mike Malloy went off on Ariana the other day.
He thinks she is jealous of Hillary.

Quite a jaw-dropping analysis I must say for a number of reasons.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:44 PM
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68. Wow, from Malloy's mouth that is shocking!
:hi:
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