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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:19 PM
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Bush's reaction: He was "visibly angered" (he was Challenged)
what a laugh. the little mind got upset.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

Bush Challenged on Iraq

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Thursday, April 19, 2007; 12:34 PM

Something we're not allowed to see in public happened yesterday in the White House's Cabinet Room: President Bush was challenged and got angry.

There were no pyrotechnics, but according to multiple reports Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid compared Iraq to Vietnam at one point in a closed door meeting with Bush. Specifically, Reid suggested that Bush was pursuing a lost cause at the cost of American troops in order to protect his legacy.

Bush's reaction: He was "visibly angered" says the New York Times; he "bristled" according to the Associated Press. And he "denied this forcefully, after which Mr. Reid touched his arm in a gesture of friendliness," write the Wall Street Journal.

Could this have been the first time Bush has come face to face with someone willing to confront him so bluntly on the signature issue of his presidency?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:21 PM
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1. I hope it's sticking in his craw and ruining his drunken sleep.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:23 PM
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3. The pretzel of truth stuck in the craw of chaos, lies, insanity, and halitosis
:crazy:
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HappyWeasel Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:22 PM
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Reid seems to be good at confronting Bush...I think we made a good choice in a Majority leader
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HappyWeasel Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:22 PM
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Reid seems to be good at confronting Bush...I think we made a good choice in a Majority leader
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:33 PM
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15. Reid is a smart guy. I don't always agree with him, but I wouldn't ever underestimate
his abilities or his intelligence.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:22 PM
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2. Bush's legacy is in tatters
Reid was telling truth to power. Nixon learned eventually too.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:26 PM
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5. What is this "legacy" you speak of?
:shrug:

I heard his library already was destroyed when the toilet overflowed, and his proudest moment as president was catching a big fish nobody for a picture of, so I dunno on what basis he's have a legacy.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:54 AM
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27. Somebody here said it, wish I could recall who...
Oh gods, now I sound like Gonzo...:blush: :yoiks:

"Bush won't leave a legacy- he'll leave an aftermath"
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:42 AM
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29. We should be so lucky...
"Aftermath" was a good album. :D
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:26 PM
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6. What is this "legacy" you speak of?
:shrug:

I heard his library already was destroyed when the toilet overflowed, and his proudest moment as president was catching a big fish nobody for a picture of, so I dunno on what basis he'd have a legacy.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:26 PM
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7. The elusive double post
See if you can spot the difference. :D
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:32 PM
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13. You's have a hard time finding that! n/t
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:51 PM
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22. Please don't do that....
I caught myself actually going back to look to look for the difference.
:rofl:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:02 PM
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24. Another moment of your life you will NEVER GET BACK!
:o
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:46 PM
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20. He doesn't care about a legacy. We'll all be be dead!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:24 PM
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4. There needs to be more of these "challenges"
I still believe if someone would actually confront the little twerp in public we would see a meltdown of epic proportions. He's been coddled his entire life and has never had his inadequacy and incompetence pointed out to him. I honestly do believe he can take it.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:27 PM
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8. I wish someone had kicked him in his balls....
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:29 PM
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10. ...you'd hit Gonzo in the mouth if you did.
:rofl:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:38 PM
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17. snap!
:o
































(That's gonzo there, btw... let's see it again. :o Yeah. Right there.)
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:33 PM
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14. ouch

Can we elect this lady to office? bet she would clean house!
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:28 PM
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9. He was 'Challenged" his whole life, I am surprised he didn't ride th the WH in the short bus.,
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:30 PM
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11. As much as I sometimes think Reidis too calm and quiet to be
a good majority leader, sometimes he surprises me. His manner is not agressive, but hecalmly and quietly gets his message through. Nancy acts in a similar manner. Sort of like the ability to tell somebody to go to hell and make him happy he's on his way.

It's a different MO, but I think it's a very good one!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:32 PM
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12. Anyone who faces down the mob in Vegas
has some fortitude. He picks and chooses when to show it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:47 PM
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21. I don't know anything about him facing down the mob, even though
he's from Nevada, but choosing and knowing when to use your powerisagreat MO.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 12:21 AM
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25. I met Reid campaigning for Kerry in NV
An amazing individual, who truly made his own way in the world:

"Well, it's true that when I served with the Gaming Commission that I had a number of threats on my life," he told me during a brief interview earlier this week. When talking about taping the windows in his house to protect his family from the threat of shattered glass, he used the same tone that he used to discuss the importance of Senate procedure. But no matter what tone you use to discuss the fact that your wife once discovered a bomb wired to one of the family cars, it's not boring."

http://www.slate.com/id/2111392/
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:33 PM
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16. Bush bristled at the comparison,----I reject' the comparison. (he declares
"I reject" a lot!!)

......"At the beginning of the meeting, Mr. Bush declared, 'People have strong opinions around the table and I'm looking forward to listening to them.' And for the next hour, according to participants and aides in the room, a frank conversation unfolded between the president and the 10 legislative leaders seated around the table in the Cabinet Room. . . .

"Members of the group, which included four senators and six representatives, all spoke, including Mr. Reid, who compared the Iraq war to the Vietnam War and suggested to Mr. Bush that he should not continue with the war simply to protect his legacy. The president was visibly angered by the comment, according to aides, but he did not respond directly. . . .

"During the meeting, Mr. Bush was the only administration official who spoke, though he was accompanied by Vice President Dick Cheney, the White House chief of staff, Joshua B. Bolten, the national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, and others."

David Espo writes for the Associated Press: "Several officials said the session was polite. But they said it turned pointed when Reid recounted a conversation with generals who likened Iraq to Vietnam and described it as a war in which the president refused to change course despite knowing victory was impossible. Bush bristled at the comparison, according to several officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting was private. One quoted him as saying, 'I reject' the comparison.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:40 PM
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18. aw poor widdle wegacy!?!
he should be proud to go down as the most retarded prezident ever.....worse than zippy the pinhead!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:42 PM
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19. "Mr. Reid touched his arm in a gesture of friendliness: aWWWW
David Rogers writes in the Wall Street Journal (subscription required): "One of the sharpest exchanges came when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) suggested that, like President Lyndon Johnson in the Vietnam War, Mr. Bush was plunging ahead not wanting to admit that the war couldn't be won. The president denied this forcefully, after which Mr. Reid touched his arm in a gesture of friendliness. And at another point, Mr. Bush allowed that he shared many of Ms. Pelosi's goals in changing the mission of U.S. troops in Iraq, but believed Congress was going about it in the wrong way."
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:59 AM
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28. Hey, lay off the Pinhead!
Zippy makes sense sometimes...
albeit in a skewed, weird and twisted fashion...and he's not evil. :silly:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:00 PM
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23. It's like Harry and Nancy were staging a tough-love intervention...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:41 AM
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26. Good for Harry Reid that he said it to Dubya's face.
I don't have much respect for George W. Bush's petulance in the first place, and Reid's comment goes to the heart of a dishonest war.

Good for Harry.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:51 AM
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30. lol -- he was visibly angered -- what? --
he thought nobody noticed?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:28 AM
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31. One of these days Shrub's really going to lose it if these Democrats keep touching him.
A couple of days ago there was a picture of Shrub with a stunned look on his face as Nancy Pelosi put her hand on his shoulder. The body language was stunning.

It looks like Harry also got the better of him--even reaching out with a nice friendly (or was it a power play)touch on the arm.

"It's OK Georgie, your war's a disaster but we're here for you."

You don't invade the alpha male's space without permission. Shrub's a notorious power toucher--now he's getting it from Nancy & Harry.

Wouldn't it be lovely if one of these days he lost it and took a swing at one of them. Throwing a punch at ex boxer Reid could well be hazardous to his health but slugging a grandma who happens to be Speaker of the House--that would be the end.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 07:08 AM
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32. He was publicly challenged on the central issue of his presidency before millions
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 07:14 AM by karynnj
in the debates. The decision central to his presidency was the decision to invade. In the first debate, in his ramblings Bush spoke of them attacking us on 911 - and Kerry called him on it.

Not to take away from Reid, who finally sees the similarity to Vietnam. We were there a long time ago. Nearly a year ago, on the 35th anniversary of speaking out against the Vietnam War, Senator Kerry gave a speech, he labeled "Dissent" , in which he eloquently spoke of Iraq in terms of Vietnam. That speech is on his johnkerry.com web site.

His actions matched his words, as he and Senator Feingold, worked to get a discussion on Iraq that Reid and the rest of the Democratic leadership did not want. Kerry/Feingold only got 13 votes then, but around 8 months later a similar bill had 48, then 51 votes.

Reid also got enormous applause here when he took the Senate behind closed doors because they hadn't done the report on whether the Iraq intelligence was manipulated. Here too he followed in Kerry's footsteps by 6 months. Reid was NOT one of the Senators who signed Kerry's letter to the intelligence committee. The written response to Kerry was helpful to Reid when Roberts claimed they were doing the report and were near done.

Schumer yesterday spoke of wishing that he had led a filibuster against Alito. Reid, Schumer and the other Democrats in leadership positions fought that effort too.

In both cases, the Democratic leadership went to their beltway insiders deriding and undercutting Senator Kerry. These were likely the two of the most important issues of 2006. Kerry was right on both and they were wrong - it's good they've finally seen the light.

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