I Got To Admit It...(Biden)

[Steely_Dan]

From MTP...

Senator Mastercard is doing pretty well on MTP. I like the way he calls upon facts and references with such ease. He is very articulate. Of that, there is no doubt.

Okay...so he's got an ego. When you think about it, I wouldn't want a President that didn't have an ego. Joe likes Joe...I'm starting to like him too.

Does he have a shot?

-P

[hippiechick]

1. No.

I tend to find him dislikeable, but I can't put my finger on why ... too 'happy to be him', I guess.

Oh, and the hairdo grosses me out.

[Wetzelbill]

2. he's ok

I make fun of him alot for going on all the shows every 5 minutes, but Joe is an interesting guy to listen to from time to time. He talks alot but I don't ever find him boring. He's an articulate guy, usually very well-prepared too.

I would say he doesn't have much of a shot. I think his best shot would have been 4 years ago. He missed out on that. Still, that would have been tough for him even then.

I have a big ego myself, so I don't judge Joe too much on that one. :)

[MichiganVote]

3. OJ Joe, that's what we call him at our house. Will sell anyone, any story, anytime.

[RufusTFirefly]

4. He's all bark and no bite

All sizzle and no steak.

And when it really counts -- when he actually has to cast a vote -- he frequently goes the wrong way.

[MADem]

5. I agree with those who say he's running for Secretary of State. And he has a shot there.

He's one of the sharpest foreign policy Senators in that chamber.

He'd also have a shot being an East Coast balance to a ticket headed up by Richardson (though right now, that looks unlikely...but then, it's early days still! Things have a way of changing when we least expect it).

I do think his brain surgery would be an issue if he had a real shot at the top spot--unfairly, yes. But it would be shopped around by the corporate media, because that's what they do.

And his ego, and his hair plugs, and the Neil Kinnock thing....that's all a lot of fodder. They'd use it, it's what they do. All those scandals happened before the "24 hour news cycle" really took off, so they didn't get beaten to death as much as they could have. They're a fresh sparring partner for those looking for dirt--and we know the corporate media isn't enamoured of changing the party in charge, it screws up their war profiteering profit margins...!

[dave_p]

8. Huh??

"He's one of the sharpest foreign policy Senators in that chamber."

I think that says more about the Chamber than about Joe's sharpness.

He's just another bland expression of lowest-common-denominator policy consensus. When it comes to "sharp" the guy's a non-starter.

What the heck's sharp about him? What qualifies him for State?

[MADem]

11. Well, Dave, it's clear your mileage does vary.

I've found that he's often the only one that actually seems to have examined, for comprehension, the history of the non-American nation under discussion. He understands the background of conflicts, and the interrelationships between nations that predate a conflict. He even understands things like religious and economic interests that seem to escape the so-called "experts" who are nothing more than well-paid GOP loyalists who have read half of the CIA Country Study, and then put it down in favor of a Faux News expose.

And this isn't a new skillset, by any means. He's been like that since the Kinnock business, decades ago. He's also been on the Foreign Relations committee for some time (he is chair, now) and has always done his homework.

But I get it--you don't like the guy. Fine, that's your perogative.

He's not my first choice, yet, anyway (I remain undecided amongst the field of very good Dems thus far) but I'm not going to pile on about him because I just don't find him all that awful.

[graywarrior]

6. Not in my book.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. I certainly hope not.

Biden is charismatic but you really need to listen and analyze what he is saying. Not good. Not at all.

[lyonn]

13. I listened to him this a.m. and thought he was right on about all the issues

he discussed. He was given time to explain his views and there wasn't one thing I disagreed with. True, I am no brainstein. He has charisma, seems sincere, apologetic about his change of views on different issues like abortion, explained the lead up to the war and why he voted on the IWR (?) and also mentioned that the world was edging towards doing away with the sanctions against iraq and the dangers there. He said we needed inspectors back in the country to verify whether he had evil weapons or not. George pulled the inspectors out before they were finished going to all the areas that the bushies declared were hidden weapons sites, one of many jokes from the bushies (north, south, east & west of Baghdad)!!

Clinton and Obama appear to be the "chosen" ones by the media. That scares me. Not that I find either of those candidate unelectable, just that I want to feel like the masses count, not the media's opinion.

[burythehatchet]

9. Sorry...that was the funniest post of the young day.

[peacetalksforall]

10. Arranged and rated 10 top to 1 bottom, every one who voted

for 'whatever they claim to have voted for' are all sharing number 1. They will hold that position. I'm unforgiving on shock and awe, torment, torture, arrogance, pillaging, plundering, massacreing, and running up untold debt. I don't support imperialism. I support the court system for crime against the citizens which was what 9-11 was - a criminal act (just like the first bombing). Which of the candidates called for or presented a bill to treat 9-11 as a criminal act?

People on the internet KNEW what was going on. All of them must not have had access to the internet.

I repeat:
Wellstone
First vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 1.
Last vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 2

Feingold:
Only Senator to vote against the Patriot Act.

[ashling]

12. He is very articulate

and clean!
:rofl:

[lyonn]

14. Do you really believe Biden meant whether he bathed or not?

I have used the word clean to mean many things, such as a clean record. How about the term, clean and crisp?

Where is the rage when Rudy says the Dems will be to blame if they are elected and we are attacked? George has used this for years and the media barely touches on the stupidity of that comment.

[ashling]

16. why do you assume I meant that?

Do you really believe Biden meant whether he bathed or not?

It was a joke, get over ot.

Where is the rage when Rudy says the Dems will be to blame if they are elected and we are attacked? George has used this for years and the media barely touches on the stupidity of that comment.

Actually, there has been more than a little outrage. Olberman, Dean, and Hart, to mention a few ... and I have been and still am as I have vented in more appropriate places. I believe this thread was about Biden.

[jillan]

15. If he can raise more money, he has a shot.

So contribute :)

Seriously, I have heard throught the grapevine that when and if he raises more money his campaign will be in full swing.

As you can imagine with him and the rest on the 'lower tier' they have to spend wisely to compete. Biden only raised 3 million, which should be good but not in today's standards.