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[pathansen]

I don’t fully agree with them about Iraq but getting rid of Gonzales before implicating Bush first will not accomplish much. Also I think they are just being highly cautious before rushing into impeachment proceedings. I say this for the following reasons:

1. They want to get ALL investigations done first. Otherwise, it will be much harder to get the Bush Adm to cooperate since Bush will feel much more threatened.
2. They may feel that they don’t have enough votes yet for impeachment.
3. If they move too quickly, there might be some very real concerns about Bush doing something really desperate, such as starting World War III, in an attempt to save his own neck.
4. They may be waiting to “clean house” first. Get rid of all of the corrupt representatives in Congress guilty of fraud, taking money from lobbyists, etc.
5. They may be waiting until closer to election season before starting impeachment proceedings with the hope that: (a) Voters will be so fed up, they will all want a Democratic President, whereas, if Nancy Pelosi is President, they might vote for a Republican man; (b) Republican Senators & Congressmen will feel more pressured into voting for impeachment in order to keep their jobs.

So, delaying impeachment until the Democrats at least get all the facts, Bush feels less threatened and the Republican Congressmen are more vulnerable may be a smart move on their part.

[babylonsister]

1. Do you honestly think they will get ALL the facts? They're being stonewalled

constantly, subpoenas are being ignored, and there just aren't enough hours in the day, from here til the end of the dim one's term, to get all the facts.
And I don't know how fast an impeachment can be done, but if it's like anything else in Congress, it's not just a short procedure.

[welshTerrier2]

2. their Iraq vote showed their true colors

until then, they had our support.

having said that, Pelosi never should have pre-empted the investigations you're telling us to be so patient about by taking impeachment "off the table". she should have said what you're saying: "let's see where the investigations lead".

what the Democrats did on Iraq is totally inexcusable. it condemned more people to their deaths. there is no hope that continued American occupation in Iraq can make things better and for that reason, the Democrats should have forced bush's hand. they are weak and pathetic and have lost the support of many of us for good reasons.

[elocs]

3. Since you find Democrats so useless, why do you post on a site called DemocraticUnderground?

Since the Democrats refused to vote as you want them to vote and refuse to impeach Bush, apparently you find Democrats to be unredeemable, so why are you still here? It's sad that you find it so easy to paint an entire party and its history with such a broad brush. Like it or not, the Democrats are your ONLY hope. Again, why are you still here on a Democratic message board? What useful thing do you have to say or do that will help the Democratic Party? Trashing them online does not count toward that goal, but then again, do you have any goal that will make this party better? It is easy to give up.

[Nunyabiz]

4. Actually trashing them online

seems to be about the ONLY thing they might respond to, if ALL the Blogs and millions of blogging voters show how damn mad they are they might actually WTFU.
Lets face it all ANY politician cares about is money and re-election and they will kowtow to that top 2% while throwing the 98% under the bus in a heartbeat.
Time to dust off the ropes, pitch forks & torches as far I am concerned.

[pathansen]

8. Maybe you should run

Their lives may be in danger if they become too agressive.
Remember Paul Wellstone? And also that it was only Democrats, like Tom Dashle and others, who got the anthrax threat? I certainly would not want their job.
This may be part of the reason why Gore does not want to run. Why risk your life if you get attacked and critized by your own party?

[Nunyabiz]

10. especially since your country will only stand around with

their thumbs up their ass and do nothing whatsoever when it is obvious that elections are being stolen, the country is being attacked by ITS OWN GOVERNMENT (9/11 & Anthrax), the MSM is lying every single day, the top 2% are robbing the country blind and "We the people" just stand around more interested in Paris Hilton's poontang than the fact that the country is being taken over from within by Neofascist freaks.

I'm embarrassed to be called American.

[ellisonz]

13. That's a broad brush and really isn't accurate.

I will name names of non-money grubbing Democrats if you need to hear it...

Sadly, money is a constant in politics. Chairman Dean has and is continuing to change who the DNC gets it money from. You are right to be critical, but I would hope you'd keep the ropes, pitch forks & torches away from the good Democrats, because they do exist and are on the rise.

[welshTerrier2]

6. i am committed to PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS

i am sick of the damned centrists and win-at-any-cost party puppets who put winning ahead of what is best for this country.

one of the rules of this website is to support progressive ideals ... it is not enough to only support Democrats. when Democrats sellout those progressive ideals, they deserve all the disdain and criticism we can heap on them. we will never get anywhere as a party if all we do is shake our pompoms.

don't like it? alert the admins and let them decide.

you want to know what useful things i have to say to help the Democratic Party? I'm happy to answer your question. The thing that will most help the Democratic Party is to tell them to stop being seduced by massive corporate funding and start acting in the best interests of the American people. What will not help the party is robotically giving them our support when they f*^K up so badly. what they did in this second supplemental funding bill that gave bush unconditional funding to continue the occupation in Iraq was nothing short of criminal.

anyone who thinks we should blindly support Democrats is a major part of the problem. why don't you go post on the Democratic Party's website if all you want to do is cheerlead?

[acmavm]

7. What is with people who constantly parrot the old 'can't we all just not

criticize any democrats or what they do/don't do line? Support what? Support who? Support people who were elected specifically to do specific things, at the top of the list being not giving the bush** administration blank checks for Iraq, and to STOP the secret wheeling and dealing that does has been going on, with horrible consequences to the country, since 2000?

What have our elected reps end up done in those areas? Handed over BILLIONS (again) to allow the tragic farce that is the 'war on terra' to continue (no frigging strings attached but a lot of big talk about how "this is not the end blah, blah, blah") and cut a 'secret trade deal' with the bush** administration (anyone ever seen what the hell is all involved in that one?). In other words, the exact opposite of what they were elected to do.

Anyone heard a peep from our reps about VP Cheney's nefarious doings, having the Secret Service destroy the records as to who it is he's dealing with? What the hell is that all about? And why are not the DEMOCRATS sticking up for DEMOCRACY? We need to know, most of all, who the president and vice president are meeting with. It's our right, it's our duty, it's our business. Because if we don't have that right, maybe some scheming anti-Constitutionalist bastards will start holding secret meetings with oil company/energy company executives (like dead Kenny Lay) and whip out some maps of a country that they might be thinking of starting a 'war' with, and that 'war' could be a good way to line their pockets, and the pockets of their families, friends, the companies from which they receive 'deferred' compensation . Of course they would have you believe that lining their pockets is a seconday consideration of course. Just like our own Diane Feinstein and her hubby, Richard Blum (I believe that's his name).

Anyone heard any noise coming from anyone we sent to Washington last November about the signing statements giving Chimpy control of ALL THREE BRANCHES of government if a very loosely defined event takes place? I mean a 'national' emergency caused by anything, anywhere, including the weather? Hell, Katrina would have met the definition. Too bad he hadn't signed those declarations prior to Katrina, he could have just declared martial law and we'd all be marching right now, today, into those new prisons that Halliburton is building just for such an occasion.

How do we get these people to change? By patting them on the head, telling them they're doing a great job, that they have our support no matter what they do? When the only people they're doing a great job for, the only people who are benefitting from any of this is themselves (they gotta earn that corporate campaign money somehow) and the bush** administation? Sheesh, we're supposed to hold our noses, close our eyes, and click our heels together and collectively repeat 'there's nothing we can do'.

And what right does anyone have to demand an explanation as to why anyone is posting here? Or to infer that there is something wrong in being disgusted by their weakness and perfidious behavior? Is blind, brain-dead, acceptance of their betrayal a requirement to belong to this place and to the democratic party? We have no right to show our disgust (the word 'our' including the majority of the people who voted for them last November)? If so, this is good to know. No one really ever made it absolutely clear before that you have to march in lock-step agreement with the DLC wing of the party or get out. This is a good think to know.

[GeorgeGist]

5. Waiting for a slam dunk ...

while Bush runs up the body count. What an ingenious deception of the troops ... and supporters ... and themselves. It's a Trifecta.

[pathansen]

12. They don't have enough votes!

The Democrats only have majority by a very slim margin. They don't have the votes yet to either impeach or override a veto.
This is what Gore said himself.

[StudentProgressive]

9. Blind faith to bad leaders is not patriotism

Which famous dead guy said that?

[Nunyabiz]

11. I think that was Rocky Anderson, he ain't dead.