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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:24 PM Original message |
Poll question: Iraq: Is it genocide? |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Follow the logic of Bush's approach; the ONLY way it CAN be successful |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. what about Clinton's approach? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I disagree with that construction. |
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StudentProgressive (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. One innocent person dead is an atrocity |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. i think that's a more than fair criticism |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. seeing lots of data |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. the UN program director in Baghdad called the sanctions GENOCIDE |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. And That Individual Was Wrong To Do So, Sir |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Absolutely...n/t |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. A matter of definition |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. nope ... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. I guess, in my own mind, I tend to focus on the words "deliberate and systematic extermination" |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. let's not hang on the labels |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. No, actually I was just engaging you in discussion |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. mostly semantics to me |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. The proper legal definition is the UN Genocide Convention which the US is party too. |
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MaryBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
75. you are both in error and also correct in part |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. Another theory... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. That depends. By us? No. By others? Yes. |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. The Americans are NOT committing genocide |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Well yeah except for the whole bombing the shit out the country and the sanctions... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. We weren't targeting civilians |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Really, so when you bomb the crap out of a city |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. American's love to tell that little white lie. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Most People, Sir, Hearing The Phrase 'Targetting Civilians' |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I agree with what you post about 90% of the time, but the semantic argument falls flat. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. We Killed A Number Of Civilians, Sir |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Intentionally indifferent. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Abu Graib is A Seperate Matter, Sir |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:27 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Abu Ghraib is not a separate matter. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. Nothing even approaching the level of genocide. Silly question. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Its tough to buy the 'silly question' notion when the discussion is so clearly passionate |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. What percentage of Iraqis have to be killed/maimed/displaced |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. As a Jew and a descendant of Holocaust survivors... |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
14. Civil War, not Genocide. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Well that theory raises an interesting question. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
15. Women and children, men who are not in the Iraqi army, are dying because we chose to invade |
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Mark_Pogue (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
17. Imperialistic genocide!! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. Doesn't fit the definition of genocide |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. How many years of our ongoing slaughter qualify it as deliberate? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. You Are Overlooking The Element Of Intent, Sir, And Also Of Agency |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. The legal definition: |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. You Mis-Read The Statute, Sir |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:14 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Quick. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #71 |
78. The International Criminal Court, Sir |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:38 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Let's look at the whole picture. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'd say it's imperialism with genocidal leanings. nt |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Straight to the point |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I viewed the first Gulf War |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
20. No, Sir, It Is Not |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. Our sanctions killed many children and now our war |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
24. I voted no it isn't genocide. We're responsible for killing an awful lot of Iraqi |
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arewenotdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
26. To those who said "No" |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Naw, man it's all collateral damage...haven't you seen the movie? |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. ... |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
33. oldie but goodie |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
35. ... |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. btw |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
38. Doesn't matter a damn whether the g-word is invoked or not |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. Other - Genocide by Indifference |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
40. "Collateral Damage" is not an excuse. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
45. Ten years of sanctions and depleted uranium was genocide |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
47. yes, this was all pre-mediated by this regime we have |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
49. Its not because that is not our intention. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. What is our intention? |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. While genocide is not our intention.. |
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pretty_lies (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
50. Yes And No |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Welcome to DU! |
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pretty_lies (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Thank You |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
62. It is a terribly immoral occupation, and illegal |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Regarding the Sunni, Sir |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. If the Sunnis oppose us.. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Many In Anwar Support Us, Sir, At Least For Now |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. But it's a civil war |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Of Course It is Civil War, Sir |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You make some good points, but a lot of mine stand |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Elaborating a bit more |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Just A Few Small Further Points, Sir |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Yes there are exceptions, but you did admit we are.. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #62 |
73. Let's not forget our betrayal of the Kurds and Shia in 1992. |
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MaryBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
76. An example of genocide |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
80. I'd say *almost there* |
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