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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:06 PM Original message |
Edwards Outlines Plan to Fight Terrorism |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. He says, "We have to supplant the lure of violent extremism... |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. At this point, I'm not sure how much good it will do |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You're right, in a sense. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Is the "Christo-fascist" movement a terrorist group? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Christo-fascists are just some of America's extremists... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. But they are decidedly not terrorists, as Islamist/ al qaida type groups are |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I was commenting on Edwards' suggestion about hope... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. What if "their" terrorists want nothing less than world domination? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. As long as we disregard them as human beings... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Would you answer my question about world domination as a goal |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. If true, it's the leaders that are into "world domination." |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. They can jump on any bandwagon they like, as long as it's |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. What was Shock and Awe?? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I daresay that the vast majority of Americans who supported going into |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Bush used the religion card, along with fear... |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. As I recall, the reasons were WMD, and bringing freedom to the |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Like I said, I gotta go, so I'll end with this... |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Sorry, I am not following this logic... if Islamic radicals are |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:19 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Just as America was brainwashed... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
66. So how were the English home grown college students recruited |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Same way America was recruited for a bogus war... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't deal with reality in terms of evil |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. I'm not the only poster who has spelled it out for you... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. You haven't cited one specific or non-specific fact about anything. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Well put! |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
42. I see no Christian fundies beheading people these days? Get it? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:04 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Wake up...Shock and Awe WAS terrorism... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #46 |
60. I'm awake. Are you? .Shock and Awe went after gov. installations |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. You missed malikstein's post about fundie targets... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. "Talk" facts for a change, please. Really, just once. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. It exists as long as you think it does |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
47. Yes... |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
78. Sorry, but that sounds like double-talk to me. |
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malikstein (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
48. The Christo-fascists' preferred targets are |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:10 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. That's right... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
68. And the last time you saw a federal building bombed was when? |
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malikstein (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-09-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #68 |
79. I give up. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. BS, 4th point |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. of course there are exceptions, but do you sincerely believe that the conditions |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Forgive me for being so ignorant, but where exactly is |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. it's not, in that way |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I understand. I'm just trying to intellectually honest. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
44. No, I think what is happening now , and I used the examples of |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Item 2 is interesting... "Valuable information can... |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. who said torture? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It's all semantics bullshit. If we don't call it torture, then I guess it isn't. |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. " As president, Edwards will...close Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and ban torture..." |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. When does interrogation rise to the level of torture? |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. as John Locke posted: Edwards disavows torture |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Hmmm, not getting an answer... |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
45. legally defined non-torture interrogation |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. According to that definition, telling someone that their mom wears men's underwear |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I'm at a loss here as to your point, re Edwards |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. My point is this - the whole torture issue has been so manipulated |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. no argument re interrogation/torture |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. My point was that by UN definition, coerced information = torture, |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. intelligence gathering is not bombshells |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. You could be right. That is not my area of expertise. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. My question is, what do we do with people who don't talk? |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
64. What Are The Rules Set Forth By The Geneva Conventions?? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. From Artilce 1 of the UN Convention Against Torture |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. Sounds like he's been taking notes from Wes Clark! |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. ?????? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. A lot of the language and ideas sound the same similar. |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. I'm with you on that. n/t |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
52. It seems pretty military-heavy to me |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Not military heavy at all. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
33. BTW, my intention is not to bash Edwards. I think he's a good man. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
35. "Edwards will put America on an offensive footing against those who would harm us." |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Hey, I like this guy - highly tuned BS filters. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. What is Obama's anti-terror plan? He is running for prez, not a local position |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
56. man, tough crowd - This is an excellent, refined approach |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. You're calling Obama "militaristic" while Edwards was co-sponsor of IWR? |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. look at their respective lists of proposals |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. No...you do it... |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. it's a simple request, look at the proposals |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
41. Keep that terror mime going, johnnyboy! |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
53. The best part is the Marshall Corps |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
76. Let's define terrorism... |
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