Maybe Privately the Republicans want Bush Out Too

[eyeswideopened]

It is possible that some of the leader's in the republican party realize we need a change. They can't put someone on the ticket as a republican candidate but they can make sure the candidate on the democratic ticket is someone they want and believe they can work with. I just don't see the opposition to Kerry out there that you would expect when you look at how hard the other candidates are getting. Someone is letting this happen too easily.

[MuseRider]

1. I would imagine

that quite a few of them are tired of walking in lock step. Can you imagine? They are certainly not going to come out and say it knowing they will be trashed and denied by their own party for thinking on their own. I hope this is not wishful thinking but I would be straining at that leash they put on them.

[Alopenia]

2. You have GOT to be joking

To practically all my GOP acquaintances, Bush is the second coming. I mean they love this guy. They think he stood up to the terrorists, and that he can do no wrong. What's more, they think he will win in a rout. Now there may be some who are a little edgy about his dropping poll numbers, but you think they actually want a "Democrat as someone they can work with??" These people would rather drink gasoline.

[lastknowngood]

3. The problem of having control of all branches of government

is people expect you to do something and then hold you accountable. If they have a democratic prez they can override his veto when it counts and blame for the radical shit they can't get through. Also as the economy is headed for the toilet they can blame the hard times on the damn fool democrat in the white house.

[RedDawnRising]

4. Could Kerry be a friend of the BFEE not a foe ?

[DieboldMustDie]

8. Yea! Kerry's a friend of the BFEE...

His lifetime 92 ADA rating is just a cover. :eyes:

[Eric J in MN]

11. What does ADA stand for? (nt)

nt

[dflprincess]

13. Americans for Democratic Action

the higher the rating the better (from my perspective - and I assume from the persepective of most the people here)

[wuushew]

15. Yes and McCain's lifetime ADA score is 9.0

Slightly off subject, but McCain is a hard right nut despite what is written by some DUers.

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[milkyway]

5. I think that the ruling elite has decided to fire bush* and replace him

with Kerry. Their are different factions to the ruling class. bush* represents the oil/energy/military faction, but the old Eastern establishment has decided bush* is too incompetent and extreme. He's become bad for business, and they want him gone. They would prefer a safe, centrist Dem to the radical bush*. And the last thing they would want is a rabble rouser like Dean.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

10. yup

The people making money from Bush is very small, while lots of people made money from Clinton. Bush's support in Corporate America is very deep but rather narrow. Kerry's support will be shallow but wide, which they will need to smooth things over for a while.

[Doctor Panacea]

6. Republicans and Bush

The morons and the lockstep crowd see Bush as a messiah. But the people who really count — those who own and control the great Wurlitzer and the banks and insurance companies, etc. — may not be so crazy about what the Busheviks have done.

[NV1962]

7. You bet many Republicans do!

The first and foremost reason that Bush has lost sympathy is his budgettary irresponsibility; Bush has turned the GOP into the borrow and spend party. Then, there's the growing acknowledgement that Bush has misled the country into an unnecessary war, letting the fight against international terrorism slip from the top position. Osama's scalp surely isn't soothing them.

Why I know this? Because that's what many Republicans are telling me.

However... Don't expect Republicans to embrace the ABB concept without further discussion. If Kerry indeed picks up the nomination, and if Clark indeed ends on his ticket, their cross-over appeal must still be nourished, avoiding blunt "anti-GOP" rhetoric and instead hammering on themes such as for example Howard Dean used -- with utter brilliance! -- during a nationally televised debate: "We can't trust the far right of the Republican party with our money."

Single out, isolate and finish off the two extremist factions of the GOP -- the neocons and the fundies -- that'll cost Bush his re-election; with Republican cross-over votes, and/or with many Republicans not voting in November.

The word of the day is "wedge issues."

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

12. your strategy is 100% right

"Single out, isolate and finish off the two extremist factions of the GOP -- the neocons and the fundies -- that'll cost Bush his re-election; with Republican cross-over votes, and/or with many Republicans not voting in November"

Of course you are right.

[mikehiggins]

9. This seems insane but you know?

There are a lot of GOP types who are puking blood over Bush's immigration policies, the insane deficits, the loss of their constituent (and voters) jobs, the neo-con madness of US Uber Alles!

It wouldn't take more than a wink and a nod for a lot of folks to just work just a little less hard than it would take to ensure a Bush victory.

Don't forget. We weren't the only ones who thought the GOP was putting up an inept bungler for the White House as payoff to the first Bush. That was why they put Cheney in there, to reassure the party loyalists that they wouldn't be totally embarrassed. There was no reason for the conventional wisdom to think that Dumbya could beat Gore, who was riding the crest of a successful economy and the first budget surpluses since pre-Depression days.

And without SCOTUS the GOP still wouldn't have managed to shoehorn Dumbya into the Oval Office.

And once he was in office, he behaved just like the bungling, inept puppet they always knew he was. Then came the 911 attacks and the neocons saw their chance, and took it with a vengence.

Now the GOP is facing another four years of what has been going on and they know how to do the math just as well as we do.

I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP didn't just concentrate on taking the open Senate seats and letting Dumbya buy the farm.

Lets hope.

[Straight Shooter]

14. They will replace Cheney with a VP they can trust to control bush

They're looking for someone with mass appeal, someone who will calm the fundies, someone the swing voters respect, someone with more gravitas than kerry, with the same qualifications basically, someone pro-life but not freaked out about it.

Oh, who could that be? Does the name McCain ring a bell?

[TreasonousBastard]

16. Republicans don't...

hang their dirty laundry out. They do, however, fight pretty hard in the background.

It seems the Republican PTB are firmly in the grip of the wingnut crowd, and are dragging the party kicking and screaming to the right. There is, however, always a Permanent Government that isn't too thrilled about radical change for the worse.

The dumb ones will follow the party line wherever it leads, but the Republican Party is no more full of blithering idjits than we are. It is possibly a bit more educated, even. Certainly seems to have more prosperity.

As I have said many times before, I can't believe that the more sentient beings over there are happy with this moron in the office. That there is no open revolution bespeaks more of party discipline and loyalty than agreement with Shrub and his hopeless policies.

I would not in the least be surprised to see a different VP, one more apt to take over should Shrub sometime decide to step down. Nor would I be surprised to see some elements over there give a very half-hearted effort toward his re-selection.

This business of "electibility" is all over the news now. What we likely should be thinking of is a candidate non-wingnut Republicans can work with. Give them a good excuse to gently snub Shrub.

[BidMarx]

17. Foriegn Interventionlism is Dead with Bush

The man has no credibility, and the PNAC plan is dead in the water wwhile hes there, as the American people will no longer believe in him. The powers that be now need to create an illusion of democracy to replace Bush with a man who goes to war not over threats, but rather over liberalistic intervention. They need someone who will make war sound good and reasonable to the left, as well as the right. They need to replace a name and image, but keep their plan. As long as Bush is there, their plan goes nowhere. Face it, they need Kerry.