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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:27 AM
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BBC's Andrew Stephen: Who is the real Hillary?
If you want to understand the woman who would be president, don't bother to read the latest avalanche of recycled biographies - just ask her interns.

I will begin with two Hillary Clinton scoops of my own. Early last summer, I went to a party she was giving at her house - hidden away off Massachusetts Avenue, a stone's throw from the British embassy - and took the opportunity to introduce her to a teenage boy who I knew was going to intern for her later in the summer. She gave the kid about five seconds of her time, beaming at him before moving on to the next hand to shake.

Probably six weeks later, having not so much as set eyes on her since, the boy was walking down a Senate corridor when Hillary approached in the opposite direction. Meeting his eyes, she greeted him without hesitating: "Good to see you again, Pete." Then, three weeks after that, the same kid and zillions of other Hillary interns gathered in a small, overheated office to have their photographs taken with the senator. Suddenly, overcome by the heat, the boy collapsed almost literally into her arms. He came round a couple of seconds later, lying on his back and seeing the face of (possibly) America's 44th president peering anxiously down at him, proffering her bottle of water. "She was really kind, sort of motherly," he told me later.

OK, so these are hardly scoops. But they highlight two little-known facets of America's most famous woman - of which more later - and, above all, they are brand-new, in that they are Hillary anecdotes that have never seen print before. I have thus just about revealed more than the avalanche of Hillary Clinton books that is sweeping America.

So why all this unprecedented hysteria over an election that won't even be held until 4 November next year? The answer, I am convinced, is that the leading candidate so far is a woman who is trying to break a 218-year male stranglehold on the most powerful job in the world. That, in turn, has unleashed vast tides of subconscious sexism from America's political commentators, the vast majority of whom are male. A woman seeking the power and masculine majesty of the US presidency? How dare a petty little Machiavellian ogress like her have such audacity!

I started with my two little anecdotes, though, because I think they actually say two things about Hillary Clinton that are related to this. The first showed that she possesses, in spades, the phenomenal and enviable skill of a true politician in remembering names and faces. The second illustrates that, for a woman invariably dismissed as "hard" ("camouflaged", is the word Bernstein uses), she also has a gentle and caring (dare I say feminine?) side that has never been seen by the public. In fact, perhaps she has simply never risked letting it be seen; she is certainly the most extraordinarily self-disciplined politician I have ever watched in action.

http://www.newstatesman.com/200706180025

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:47 AM
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1. How dare you humanize the devil
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:47 AM
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2. Wow! She has manners! Is considerate! Is not a castrating man-hater! Amazing!
That sneaky harridan, pretending to be a decent human being!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:01 AM
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3. Don't worry. She can't fool the REAL democrats
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:27 AM
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4. all 2% of them
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:28 AM
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5. Beat me again...I duped it!!!
Great article...especially the bit about David Bossie being an egregious dolt!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:37 AM
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6. doesn't hurt to have two threads on it.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:45 AM
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7. I guess so...I highlighted different parts...nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:28 AM
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10. Great article...
This will drive the neurotics crazy. You know that don't you? Of course, you do! :hi:

The Real Dems, all 2% of them will show up. They'll probably send the representative ahead that loves Spam.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:21 AM
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8. Expected of those with good memories - here's where she shows her OTHER real side:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg




This talk by historian Douglas Brinkley occurred in April 2004:


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."




http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward



Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg |

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.
On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
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Wonder why?


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:22 AM
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9. you know, if John Kerry hadn't been such a wimp, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:29 AM
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11. Kerry was president and ignored BushInc's crimes of office throughout the 90s?
Hope you are not a history major, since you claim 'this mess' started in 2004.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:30 AM
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12. you know, if John Kerry hadn't been such a wimp, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:34 AM
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13. You can always count on BLM to drop a huge BM on any Hillary thread...
With irrelevancies and conspiracy....

Always entertaining...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:37 AM
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14. I've often considered following her around from thread to thread like she does us...
... and posting all mannner of BS to hijack the thread... but then I just say, "nah!"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:45 AM
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15. Corruption and open government, undermining of campaigns is irrelevant to you
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 09:51 AM by blm
because if it WAS relevant to you, then your devotion to the Clintons would take a hit.

I notice none of you refute what is said, you just mock it, as if it never happened - why? So you can continue to pretend that the maneuverings you know in your head they did was somehow good for our party and country.

How about just ONE of you give us a clear, detailed explanation of Marc Rich pardon - and plese note that Rich was an IranContra and BCCI figure represented for many years by Scooter Libby, not just a tax evader.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:49 AM
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16. I thought Jordin TOTALLY deserved to win American Idol this season!
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