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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:31 AM
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Why I'm Having Trouble Supporting Hillary
During the summer of the last election cycle, in 2006, I was working my butt off trying to get Democrats elected to Congress and state offices. Hillary came into Denver, and did a fundraiser. For herself. She sucked about $3 million in political contributions out of Colorado, where the money was desperately needed, and back to New York allegedly to support her own Senate re-election bid, which was a foregone conclusion. I thought it was a very selfish act. She could have come in and raised money for Colorado candidates. I was really pissed, and still am, as are lots of others.

Any thoughts on why I should support her after this?
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:33 AM
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1. You don't have to support her now
But, if she gets the nomination, then I would GREATLY encourage you to vote for her in the general election.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:35 AM
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2. Oh, I'll vote for her....
how could I vote for one of those ten white idiots. But I want to be enthused, and I'll be working in the campaign, someplace, for somebody.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:46 AM
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6. There are many of us that feel that way here
n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:43 AM
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3. She has been a huge giver to other candidates in the past.
That's how politics works. She's not just going to hand it over to a state party organization to spend as they please.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:47 AM
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7. In fact, I believe she was the single biggest contributor to other Dems in 2004.
Not sure about 2006. But I think she was a big contributor then, too.

I don't have a source to back that up, so take it with a grain of salt. But I am pretty sure it is true.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:49 AM
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9. Several other Democrats, also up for re-election, came to
Colorado and helped raise money for tight Congressional races. Why not her? She needed it less than anyone.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:50 AM
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10. And she'll share when a viable candidate emerges from that pack.
This is how it's done.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:44 AM
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4. Thank you..You've just supported how I feel about Hillary.
I've known women like Hillary and although they spend a great deal of time trying to show they're just like the average person they give themselves away in their self serving methods. I suppose I'll vote for her if she gets the nomination but then I know in the years to follow I won't want to admit it. It's this gut feeling that I don't trust her. I have a hard time forgiving anyone in power who voted for the war.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:48 AM
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8. I've worked in several campaigns and this is SOP. nt
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:45 AM
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5. This is unfair criticism, IMHO.
Hillary was a candidate for US Senate in 2006. When you are a candidate, it is your job and responsibility to raise the money you need to run your campaign, wherever you can find it.

If candidates in Colorado needed more money, it's their responsibility to raise it wherever they can find it. Heck, they should have held fundraisers in New York. There's lots of money there.

But it is not Hillary's job -- or any candidate's job -- to refrain from raising money on the (highly unlkely) chance that they are going to take money away from some other hypothetical candidate. This sounds more like an excuse from lackluster Colorado candidates. There's plenty of money out there. Hillary can't steal all the money from all the other candidates.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:53 AM
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11. Uhh.......Obama and Edwards do it to.
I guess you are left with Kucinich.

Everyone does it. Until you make a stand and say, our money stays in Texas, or whatever the state you are from, then they will come and take money.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:09 AM
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12. So...you don't support Hillary.....
I see some of the other candidates going to states and taking money. Should Obama only take Illinois money, Edwards Tennessee and Richardson NM...come on now...WHICH CANDIDATE has not traveled to other states to fund raise.

If you don't like Hillary you don't like her. But when you have a good candidate who will beat the pants off all the MEN candidates why not support her...Oh I get it SHE'S A WOMAN, I MIGHT HAVE KNOWN .
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:14 AM
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13. Then don't support her thats your choice. NT
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:18 AM
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14. She's too pro-corporate for me
Among other things, she supports increasing the number of H1-B visas so corporations can lay off American techies and replace them with lower-paid foreign techies.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:54 AM
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16. That's a legitimate beef. I feel that way about a lot of them, that's why I'm a Clarkie...
but this is how the donation game is played. It's the way they all play it.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:58 AM
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17. Look at it this way, she's not taking money, people choose to give it
That is the truthful way to see the situation
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:01 AM
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18. Well,it's not like people were forced to give the money to her
she didn't steal it, people gave it by choice. And I'm guessing most of the people who donated to her also donated to candidates in Colorado - she certainly isn't preventing them from doing that in any way. And, as others have pointed out, she's one of the largest contributers to other Dem candidates.

Also, I think a lot of peopler realized that her fundraisers in '06 were really for her presidential race and not so much for the Senate race - at the beginning of this year, she transferred $10 from her Senate campaign fund to her presidential campaign.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:14 AM
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19. Hillary came to Louisville and raised the most for the Ky. Dem Party
ever raised by anyone in one visit. Bill came later and raised money for our 06 candidates and helped us get rid of Bush lover Anne Northrup. Part of the reason that the Ky. Party is reviving is due to those two dems. Obama also came and did a rip-roaring speech at Slugger Field prior to the 06 elections. I thank him also. It was not a money raiser, but a rally. Now if we can only get rid of Mitch and Fletcher, life might get back on track here.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:18 AM
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20. Mitch, Fletcher and Northup share a pollster with the White House. nt
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:51 AM
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21. Summary So Far
Okay, so I've gotten 20 or so responses to my query about why I should support Hillary. So far, the answers seem to be in a couple of categories: a)she's not really taking money from Colorado and/or everybody does it; 2) Petulance; 3)I don't like Hillary because she's a woman. That one ticked me off.

Actually I'm trying TO get over what she did and support Hillary, but not one person can give me a reason, apparently.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:54 AM
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22. Since I Think She Would Be a Dreadful President, I Can't Help You
unless knowing you aren't alone in your dilemma helps.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:55 AM
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23. You asked why you should support her after what she did
so I think most people are responding to the specific reasons why you have a problem with her.

I could give you my own reasons to support Hillary, but I think Bill does a pretty good job laying a lot of them out: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/27.aspx
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:04 PM
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27. I saw that video at a rally this weekend. It's impressive.
Richardson also sent a good one. Obama's was lame but at least he had one. Nothing from Edwards or any of the others. This was in Georgia.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:57 AM
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24. Canonray, that is because if you do research you will find she is very selfish. both clintons.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:01 PM
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26. Do you care to share some details? n/t
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:00 PM
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25. How about the DNC?
Did Dean come there too?
Or the DSCC? Or the DCCC? How about mail or email solicitations? Are they OK?
Perhaps it's the people who choose where to give their money you need to convince.
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