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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:59 AM Original message |
Obama Would Use Unilateral Force for "Vital Interests" |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. So he's basically HRC without the experience. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. yes he wasn't First Lady. :P But also without all the "inside the beltway" ties. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. That's not what I'm reading. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. He's also the same as Edwards. THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING about Iran. I am sick |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Not Richardson. |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. What has happened to us? Some of this is scary. Please run, Al. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Do you think Al Gore doesn't support a strong military? |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. I doubt Gore would find much to argue against |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. $10 says Gore would say the same thing |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. Yes, what are we Dems thinking? Like we need a strong military... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
72. The question isn't whether or not we need a "strong" military-- |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. I don't see anything Obama said as being scary |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. "Vital interests" |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. We have no say on this. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Well at least your right on that point. |
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Kingstree (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Hillary wants to keep our Troops over in Iraq. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Excuse me I thought this thread was about Obama. |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Misinformation |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
60. That is not what Hillary said. She states at one point she then |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. He Sounds, Sir, Like A Man Serious About Becoming President |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. It's called protecting this nation against all enemies foreign or domestic... |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. The job description is protecting the constitution! It is not protecting |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. 'The 'Murcan People', Ma'am, Would Probably Disagree With You |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Well, who are the "American people"? |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. For your information... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'm waiting for the folks to show up and rationalize this... you know those folks, right? |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Take A Look At This |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. I don't see how they are the same thing at all |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. There's absolutely no need to "rationalize" anything. Obama offers a strong statement of leadership |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
7. I have no objection to this |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. exactly. I want my president to not only say that, but have the courage to follow through |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I stopped reading when I got to the part about Mark Warner being "progressive." |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I think the writer was on Warner's payroll at one point |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Far Beyond That |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. That's not my understanding of Gore |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. No shit. Obama offers here a wholly reasonable (yet realistic) vision of national security. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. Agreed (nt) |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. Agreed |
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BringBigDogBack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
65. have to agree wes |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
11. Obama Just Failed Constitution 101, UN Conventions 101 |
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Kingstree (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. How are you going to criticize him. He has a Law Degree Do You? |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
68. "He has a Law Degree Do You?" |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. The American people will never elect a president... |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. Really? Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law. NT |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
12. I think you should go on his site and read his issues page. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. These are quotes from his artlcle. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. IMO, it's up to us, the voting public, to become aware of Obama's position outside of an article. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'm seriously confused. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Yes, I was making a "generalized" statment. I get your point sparkly. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No problem. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Understood dear Sparkly! |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
20. But but but but...he voted against the Iraq War Resolution!!! |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
71. Yes, and and he spoke out against it quite publicly, too. NT |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. Do Not Like It |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Gore was a supporter of Gulf War I |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
28. "Vital interests" |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
42. It looks to me like Obama has just shed his sheep's clothing, ... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. It looks like someone did a hackjob ugly attack on Obama |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
79. The author in the past has supported Kucinich, |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Fair? |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Can't speak for Swanson, or Kucitizens, but have read the entire post and link and thread, ... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
43. We need a President who gives up like a chicken when attacked and waves a peace sign |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
75. The last country that attacked us was Japan, in 1941 |
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Malidictus Maximus (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
45. No American overseas who is not a paying tourist or a diplomat. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Messrs. Hitler and Stalin thank you |
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Malidictus Maximus (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. None of my or anyone else's business |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. First, we cannot afford to be the policemen of the world... |
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Malidictus Maximus (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. And did we not provoke Japan? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Well, our colonial possession of the Phillipines was a major factor... |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Huh? |
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Malidictus Maximus (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. So you support imperialism and colonialism? |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
48. Kick. Critically important we know who we are getting - all candidates. (n/t) |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. I'm not sure this author knows what "unilateral" means. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
53. My question is, what are our vital interests? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
56. The idiotic Kucinich smears continue. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
59. Swanson was a Kucinich staffer in '04 |
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Mark Twain Girl (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
63. Ugh. What are our vital interests, exactly, anyway? And why do we need to devote more to the |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
67. "On the occupation of Iraq, he does not favor completely ending it" |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
74. You can't seriously expect Obama to "lead the way toward disarmament" |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
76. "Vital interests" = corporate interests |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Faux-theocratical oligarchs... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
77. Mr. Swanson, what would Kucinich do? Have us all take it in the arse? |
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Malidictus Maximus (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Our vital interests are fair trade, protecting the environment, and |
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